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Vet detained after anti govt posts on facebook.
« on: August 21, 2012, 02:59:25 AM »
Outcry after military veteran detained for anti-government Facebook posts  Published August 21, 2012
Associated Press    A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook has received an outpouring of support from people who say authorities are trampling on his First Amendment rights.
Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI, Secret Service agents and police in Virginia's Chesterfield County questioned him Thursday evening about what they said were ominous posts talking about a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month according to authorities, Raub wrote: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."
Police -- acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional -- took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.
A Virginia-based civil liberties group, The Rutherford Institute, dispatched one of its attorneys to the hospital to represent Raub at a hearing Monday. A judge ordered Raub detained for another month, Rutherford executive director John Whitehead said.
"For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon," Whitehead said.
Raub's mother, Cathleen Thomas, said by telephone that the government had overstepped its bounds.
"The bottom line is his freedom of speech has been violated," she said.
Thomas said her son, who served tours as a combat engineer in Iraq and Afghanistan, is "concerned about all the wars we've experienced" and believes the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. One of his Facebook posts, she said, pictured the gaping hole in the Pentagon and asked "where's the plane?"
Whitehead said he found nothing alarming in Raub's social media commentaries. "The posts I read that supposedly were of concern were libertarian-type posts I see all the time," he said.
The big concern, Whitehead said, is whether government officials are monitoring citizens' private Facebook pages and detaining people with whom they disagree.
Dee Rybiski, an FBI spokeswoman in Richmond, said there was no Facebook snooping by her agency.
"We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts," she said. "Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints."
Whitehead said some of the posts in question were made on a closed Facebook page that Raub had recently created so he questioned whether anyone from the public would have complained about them.
"Support Brandon Raub" Facebook pages have drawn significant interest, and other Internet sites had numerous comments from people outraged by the veteran's detention.
Raub's supporters characterized the detention as an arrest, complaining he was handcuffed and whisked away in a police cruiser without being served a warrant or read his rights. But authorities say it wasn't an arrest because Raub doesn't face criminal charges.
Col. Thierry Dupuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken under the state's emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person who is considered potentially dangerous.
He said Raub was handcuffed because he resisted officers' attempts to take him into custody.

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Re: Vet detained after anti govt posts on facebook.
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 03:05:55 AM »
Ah, another piece of the puzzle.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 03:11:14 AM »
The FBI would have a field day with some of the posts here on GBO too I guess....


I think this was taken as more than "blowing smoke" based on his military history.  This statement: "Thomas said her son, who served tours as a combat engineer in Iraq and Afghanistan" puts him in a different category.  He probably saw some action, and is probably still a little messed up in the head since he only recently got out.
Just think, had the government/authorities let it slide, it would have blown up in their faces if it turned into another case of..."we were tracking him and were aware of his threats...but did nothing"  just like Hasan.
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Re: Vet detained after anti govt posts on facebook.
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 09:40:56 AM »
The First Amendment has lost a LOT of what it once was in today's society. I dunno what all he said but doubt any of it rose to a level that isn't supposed to be protected. Maybe but I doubt it.

I gotta say tho he should have known the quoted comment was gonna be taken as a threat and that he'd get a visit from the FBI.

No matter how much freedom of speech we assume the First Amendment gives us posting things that might be construed as threating someone or the government ain't gonna go unnoticed especially on Face Book. You can bet they monitor this site and all others like it as well.


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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 10:18:06 AM »
The First Amendment has lost a LOT of what it once was in today's society. I dunno what all he said but doubt any of it rose to a level that isn't supposed to be protected. Maybe but I doubt it.

I gotta say tho he should have known the quoted comment was gonna be taken as a threat and that he'd get a visit from the FBI.

No matter how much freedom of speech we assume the First Amendment gives us posting things that might be construed as threating someone or the government ain't gonna go unnoticed especially on Face Book. You can bet they monitor this site and all others like it as well.


No doubt about it! You can take it to the bank we are watched on this site.If it was all over the statement he made about the Axe, what about some phrase like.....Throw the baby out with the bath water. That one could lead to life lol!
He was handcuffed because he resisted officers' attempts to take him into custody. :o Golly!

Tip of the iceberg folks!I think we will hear about more and more of these crimes against citizens in day's to come.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 10:36:49 AM »
I wonder if Thomas Jefferson would be getting a call from the FBI for some of what he said if he were to say it today. I guess under the patriot act, he would be locked up for good.
 
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 11:22:13 AM »
The Soviets felt that if you opposed the benevolent socialist goals of the state, you were prima facia, mentally ill. Which one of you cops would refuse the order? None I suspect.

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 02:22:04 PM »
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Just think, had the government/authorities let it slide, it would have blown up in their faces if it turned into another case of..."we were tracking him and were aware of his threats...but did nothing"  just like Hasan.

 
I do see your point but you cannot compare this guy to hasan. Hasan is muslim, this guy is an American. I'd like to know just what was said. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Vet detained after anti govt posts on facebook.
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 08:24:10 AM »
I'm disappointed, no posts relating this to the Nazis, Hitler or Gestapo. Just a faint hint to the KGB maybe.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 03:54:23 PM »
Well he was saying that he was ready to lead the revolution. A judge had him put in a cage in a mental hospital without trial or jury. So much for freedom of speech or due process of law.
Is this now a police state?


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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2012, 06:13:04 AM »
The sole purpose of government is to protect your liberty. The Constitution is not to restrict the people, but to restrict government.  Ron Paul

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