i agree with the lee loader, in expensive way to get started, 40 years ago i wanted to start reloading had watched my dad use a rock chucker, so i asked for one for Christmas, wound up with a lee loader for my 30-30 and 12 ga, after i mastered those i got press from him 2 years later, when all three of my kids got their first rifles i included lee loaders, my daughter loads her 9mm, and 243 exclusively with them 14 years later, my boys are as addicted as i am and have multiple presses, but close to deer season they load there rounds with there old lee loaders