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seven ways to steal and election
« on: August 23, 2012, 03:15:41 PM »
   Saturday, August 18, 2012    SEVEN WAYS TO STEAL AN ELECTION - IN 2012 REPUBLICANS ARE USING THEM ALL   
So a Republican judge refuses to enjoin the PA voter ID law.  Big Surprise!  The Republicans across the country: governors, legislators, congress people and judges are united in their determination to defeat President Obama and the Democrats seeking re-election.  Since the 1994 Contract for America Newt Gingrich triumph the Republican Party has become a monolithic group of political power seekers now masquerading behind the false image of deficit hawks to appeal to and co-opt the Tea party. They are social issue right wing religious radicals whose economic policies seek to protect the very wealthy. 
 Joseph Stalin is reported to have said it doesn't matter who votes what matters is who counts the votesAnd the Republican party in 1876 and 2000 proved that true by controlling the vote counting in Florida and the “re-counting” by Congress and even using the Supreme Court as they had (often overlooked) in 1876 to give the imprimatur of legitimacy to their stolen elections.
 Now the Republicans are concerned that stealing the election through Election Day shenanigans, like machine tampering or false counting, won’t do the job.  So in 2012 they seek to steal the election by suppressing the vote of Democratic voters and in effect stealing the election at the polls.
 There are a number of ways to suppress the vote and steal an election and the Republicans are using all of them although not all in all states.
 1. The unnecessary voter photo ID laws (replacing the more rational simple id) is the most widespread and will probably be the most effective. Many senior citizens do not have birth certificates and if they no longer drive they do not have drivers' licenses. Without their birth certificates they can’t get non-driver ID cards.  Before Paul Ryan the suppression of senior citizens was seen as a gamble by Republicans; now it may seem a necessity. Seniors students and the poor don’t have the type of photo id the states are requiring (only certain types of state issued photo id with expiration dates).  A photo id from your employer or your church not good enough   People with the best voting records in their precincts are going to find their identity questioned.  Many states have various laws and procedure to prevent identity stealing on Election Day and those methods have worked so well that no one can find the abuse that this so called needed photo id prevents.
 2. Changing polling place locations as close to the election has possible is known to reduce the turnout at those polls.  This was done extensively                 in Ohio in ‘08 and can be expected to be used focusing on heavily Democratic voting polls in the last week in October.
 3. Combining polling place locations and reducing the number of polling places. In the name of fiscal efficiency will also suppress the vote as the          further the poll is form a voters house the less likely the voter is travel to o vote.
 4. Those states that enacted early voting to increase the voter turnout are now restricting early voting   in ways to suppress Democrat and minority        vote. Ending early voting a week before the election, the week with the greatest voter interest, will reduce the turnout of those least likely to      vote. In Ohio they blatantly reduced the number of hours of early voting in heavily Democratic counties and increased them in Republican       counties -   then responding to public outrage they decided to reduce them in all counties - the Republican version of being fair.
 5.  Purging voters from the rolls based on unchecked assumptions and sometimes incomplete data will also lower the voter turnout.  Florida has             done that by claiming they can identify probable non- citizens on the voter rolls and they purge them unless they re-register. The evidence           shows that a large majority of these purged voters are citizens duly registered and past voters.  The time to prevent a false registration is before  that   registration is accepted and the registrant is allowed to vote.  After that purging should be done on a case by case basis.  The federally  allowed (under the Bush HAVA law) purge of those who fail to vote in two Presidential elections thus leaving the presumption that they had  moved - is usually checked by a mailing.
 6 Making the use of provisional ballots more complicated so the counting of those ballots will be minimal.  A provisional ballot was to be given to         voters who were not on the voter lists.  You will see some states printing voter lists as early as they can so the newest voters will not be on them         and then in voter ID states the provisional ballot voters will have a few days to get photo id into the county courthouse in order to have their               paper ballot counted. Of course if he election officials print only a minimal number of provisional ballots not all those eligible to use them will be     able to do so.
 7. The catch-all way to steal an election is to change as many of the particular details of how the election is conducted from the last election so as      to confuse and discourage voters from participating.  In Pennsylvania, for example, online application for voter registration and for absentee              ballots has been stopped and new voters and absentee voters need to go back to the old way of filling out applications with ink and paper and                mailing or bringing them in to county election board offices. These steps had been allowed online.  Other changes that could be imposed with        varying excuses are to change precinct boundary lines which move some voters to new polling places without changing the polling place.  Also  by merging precincts and precinct election boards and shifting personnel around you can confuse voters who have voted often before.  Voters  who vote are creatures of habit any change will throw them and all surveys show that Democrats for some reason are less cognizant of changes  before Election Day and therefore more thrown.
 So we have reached a point in America where parties in control of enough of the election machinery can now blatantly seek to steal elections not by rigging the voting equipment nor fixing the count but, as occurred in the South after Reconstruction, by preventing large numbers of voters from voting.  So we face a plutocracy of super rich oligarchs in power by preventing the people from defeating them.  Only the outrage of those who still can vote and whatever sense of justice they have can end this by defeating these anti-democracy forces in this election and making their efforts futile.
 18 August 2012
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2012, 03:26:39 PM »
   

 1. The unnecessary voter photo ID laws (replacing the more rational simple id) is the most widespread and will probably be the most effective. Many senior citizens do not have birth certificates and if they no longer drive they do not have drivers' licenses. Without their birth certificates they can’t get non-driver ID cards.  Before Paul Ryan the suppression of senior citizens was seen as a gamble by Republicans; now it may seem a necessity. Seniors students and the poor don’t have the type of photo id the states are requiring (only certain types of state issued photo id with expiration dates).  A photo id from your employer or your church not good enough   People with the best voting records in their precincts are going to find their identity questioned.  Many states have various laws and procedure to prevent identity stealing on Election Day and those methods have worked so well that no one can find the abuse that this so called needed photo id prevents.

.........and the very first one is pure unmitigated BS!   LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The poor, the elderly, and students all need photo IDs to get their bennies.And there is not one shred of credible evidence that requiring them has ever stopped any valid voter from excersizing their vote. Another example of "The Big Lie" at work!
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2012, 03:37:13 PM »
   

 1. The unnecessary voter photo ID laws (replacing the more rational simple id) is the most widespread and will probably be the most effective. Many senior citizens do not have birth certificates and if they no longer drive they do not have drivers' licenses. Without their birth certificates they can’t get non-driver ID cards.  Before Paul Ryan the suppression of senior citizens was seen as a gamble by Republicans; now it may seem a necessity. Seniors students and the poor don’t have the type of photo id the states are requiring (only certain types of state issued photo id with expiration dates).  A photo id from your employer or your church not good enough   People with the best voting records in their precincts are going to find their identity questioned.  Many states have various laws and procedure to prevent identity stealing on Election Day and those methods have worked so well that no one can find the abuse that this so called needed photo id prevents.

.........and the very first one is pure unmitigated BS!   LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The poor, the elderly, and students all need photo IDs to get their bennies.And there is not one shred of credible evidence that requiring them has ever stopped any valid voter from excersizing their vote. Another example of "The Big Lie" at work!
But there are 7. Any one of these used for the purpose of lowering specific voter turnout would be totally unethical.
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2012, 03:40:47 PM »
   

 1. The unnecessary voter photo ID laws (replacing the more rational simple id) is the most widespread and will probably be the most effective. Many senior citizens do not have birth certificates and if they no longer drive they do not have drivers' licenses. Without their birth certificates they can’t get non-driver ID cards.  Before Paul Ryan the suppression of senior citizens was seen as a gamble by Republicans; now it may seem a necessity. Seniors students and the poor don’t have the type of photo id the states are requiring (only certain types of state issued photo id with expiration dates).  A photo id from your employer or your church not good enough   People with the best voting records in their precincts are going to find their identity questioned.  Many states have various laws and procedure to prevent identity stealing on Election Day and those methods have worked so well that no one can find the abuse that this so called needed photo id prevents.

.........and the very first one is pure unmitigated BS!   LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The poor, the elderly, and students all need photo IDs to get their bennies.And there is not one shred of credible evidence that requiring them has ever stopped any valid voter from excersizing their vote. Another example of "The Big Lie" at work!
Listen to what a Pa. Republican has to say about that.   http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/06/25/505953/pennsylvania-republican-voter-id-laws-are-gonna-allow-governor-romney-to-win/?mobile=nc
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2012, 03:54:58 PM »
Why are democrats so worried about this? If ID prevents people from voting, wouldn't it prevent these  people from voting for republicans too? Or are the democrats actually courting the illegal alien vote and the dead guys that vote democrat? You need a photo ID for so many things that if you don't have one you're probably not smart enough to be voting anyhow.... exactly the people the democrats are counting on! And seriously, oblama is probably the only one who can't actually come up with a birth certificate!

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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2012, 04:05:08 PM »
The right to vote is just as important as the right to keep and bear arms. In order to exercise my right to buy a gun I need to show a photo ID. How come Democrats aren't upset about that?
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2012, 04:32:39 PM »
kimber. Do you really believe that crappola??
JUSTME. You pretty well pegged it, just more libby lies. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2012, 04:42:07 PM »
From Kimber;
  "  Joseph Stalin is reported to have said it doesn't matter who votes what matters is who counts the votes"
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   Yep..and the Democrats fought to keep the troops votes from being counted in Florida in 1980..Now they are harassing the military vote in Ohio..in 2012..     Same old Democrat crap..just a different year..
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2012, 11:45:13 PM »
The right to vote is just as important as the right to keep and bear arms. In order to exercise my right to buy a gun I need to show a photo ID. How come Democrats aren't upset about that?

Exactly! Democrats are fussed up over this because they know they will be getting a large portion of the illegal vote. If they lose that they probably lose congressmen. It cracks me up how the democrats have turned this into a stepping on voters rights issue. What a big steaming pile of crap that is. They could care less if someone has to jump through a 100 hoops to purchase a firearm. If people open their eyes its not very hard to see through the smoke on this one.   
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2012, 12:29:59 AM »
  Imagine a gang so corrupt:
 
  A) They want to suppress the vote of the military, the people facing death to preserve our freedom.
 
  B)  They want to give the military's votes to people from foreign countries who snuck in here...and stayed.
 
     Chicago politics.."vote early, vote often" , "dig 'em up and bring them in to vote" 
 
       Then there was old Joe Kennedy setting up things for his son's election in 1960.. who told his Chicago operatives:
 
   "Don't buy a single vote more than necessary.  I'll be dammed if I'm going to pay for a landslide."
       
       
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2012, 12:55:31 AM »
The right to vote is just as important as the right to keep and bear arms. In order to exercise my right to buy a gun I need to show a photo ID. How come Democrats aren't upset about that?
Good point. What about the other 6 listed ?
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2012, 01:13:47 AM »
I agree with something that was said before. Why is it that the Democrats are the only ones pitching a bitch about having to show a proper ID to be able to vote ?  The answer to that question is pretty evident.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2012, 03:27:14 AM »
I'm with kynardsj. Why are the democrats the only ones that think that anyone that shows up at the polls should be allowed a vote with no proof of anything? Just paying with a check at most places of businesses requires a photo ID, an address, and a phone number. Why should something as important as casting a vote be less scrutinized?

I'll answer my own question. Because the illegal votes are much more likely to be cast for democrats.

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2012, 03:35:48 AM »
Really; there is no need of rehashing the Dems lies about "voter rights"..they simply want to get any votes they can..legal or illegal.
 
  Proof the Obama administration doesn't care about honest, legal citizen's voting right is pictured below.  Eric Holder's "justice dept" ;D   refused to prosecute those hoodlums who drove people away from voting places with clubs..even though he had many witnesses and videos of the event!   'Nuff said...
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2012, 03:54:28 AM »
Like I said on another thread, Alabama passed a voter ID law back in the 80's.  They also made is easy to get a photo ID at the drivers liscense bureau for a non-driver photo ID.  You have to have a photo ID to get a passport to go to any foreign country including Canada and Mexico.  You have to have a photo ID to get welfare etc.  So getting a photo ID isn't hard.  It helps with people trying to vote for a dead person.  Alabama back in the 80's purged their voter rosters and had everyone re-register to get all the dead off and some people had moved and were registered in two places.

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2012, 03:59:29 AM »

Good point. What about the other 6 listed ?

When your first argument is that phoney, the rest become automatically suspect and not deserving of attention. You should know this ???
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 04:18:05 AM »
I'm 72 and have never missed voting since I could.  I've worked since I was 10 and am not a Republican, don't really know what they are, but I sure know what Dems are so I've never voted for any of them.  I like some of 'em but my grandkids can't afford to pay for all the "free help" Dems promise me to buy my vote.   After I'm dead is plenty soon enough for my registration and votes to be switched, the dead are a dependable voting block for Dems and that should be enough to make it "fair" for them. 
 
Seems the Dems honestly presume many of their base voters are too dumm to deal with proper registration and IDs but I still think it's the right way to do elections.  But for now, I'd like to think dead plus illegal and multi-precient living voters aren't voiding honest people's ballots so of course Dems protest that.  ??
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2012, 04:23:46 AM »
".. important as the right to keep and bear arms. In order to exercise my right to buy a gun I need to show a photo ID. How come Democrats aren't upset about that?"
 
They are, sorta; I mean Dems don't want YOU buying guns at all!  And they know few of their "base" voters legally acquire guns anyway so the ID thing isn't much of an issue for very many of them.
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2012, 05:01:13 AM »
Maybe we should use the system Moses' father in law told him to use.  Have one man represent 10, of these have one represent the 100, then one to represent the 1,000, then one to represent the 10,000 and on up the ladder.  It is kind of a combination of pure democracy on the bottom end, and parlimentary on the upper end, till it finally got to Moses or later the king.  This was a system of "judges" to judge problems people had with each other on up the ladder.  Seems like a very good system to me.  Of course, ours is a good system if used properly.  Right now the president has too much power, especially with executive orders and control of the military to start wars and such.  Supreme court isn't supposed to be political, but only interpret if a law violates the constitution.  Elected legislative officials are supposed to do what is good for the whole country, not for their constituiants.  Works good if the government has limited powers. 

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2012, 05:36:44 AM »

Good point. What about the other 6 listed ?

When your first argument is that phoney, the rest become automatically suspect and not deserving of attention. You should know this ???

With that logic, a criminal with several felony charges against him should go free if the first is thrown out.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2012, 06:16:47 AM »
Yeah, what's the matter with those dadgummed republicans?  If they really want to steal an election they should use the tried and true - and determined by the Department of Justice to be perfectly acceptable - method of having your operatives stand outside the polls with nightsticks to keep away those who might not vote for your candidate.

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2012, 06:26:13 AM »

Good point. What about the other 6 listed ?

When your first argument is that phoney, the rest become automatically suspect and not deserving of attention. You should know this ???

With that logic, a criminal with several felony charges against him should go free if the first is thrown out.

Yes.......if we were talking about felons in court. We are not though. ::)

Nevertheless: When testimony in court is proven to be false, the rest of the testimony provided by the prevericator is suspect and given less weight. So your example doesn't help your position much. :P
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2012, 01:49:16 PM »

Good point. What about the other 6 listed ?

When your first argument is that phoney, the rest become automatically suspect and not deserving of attention. You should know this ???

With that logic, a criminal with several felony charges against him should go free if the first is thrown out.

Yes.......if we were talking about felons in court. We are not though. ::)

Nevertheless: When testimony in court is proven to be false, the rest of the testimony provided by the prevericator is suspect and given less weight. So your example doesn't help your position much. :P
You misunderstood my logic.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2012, 01:59:08 PM »

You misunderstood my logic.

No I didn't.......it wasn't logical. :o ;)
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2012, 02:31:58 PM »
Maybe they have a hand shake agreement. The republicans can steal the election if they will allow the democraps to steal everything else.


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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2012, 02:43:58 PM »

Good point. What about the other 6 listed ?

When your first argument is that phoney, the rest become automatically suspect and not deserving of attention. You should know this ???

With that logic, a criminal with several felony charges against him should go free if the first is thrown out.

Yes.......if we were talking about felons in court. We are not though. ::)

Nevertheless: When testimony in court is proven to be false, the rest of the testimony provided by the prevericator is suspect and given less weight. So your example doesn't help your position much. :P
You misunderstood my logic.

In the Immortal words of Spock..........Not the Doctor! Your attempt at Logic is Illogical ???
I don't think it goes far enough. I think voters should have to pass a minimal knowledge test on such things as...........What is the Constitution, Name one president after Washington but before Honest Abe,Count to 20 without removing your shoes.Who are your state Rep's for the Senate and House. Name two amendments and explain what they are about,and last but not least..................Where was The current Democrat President really Born? ;) Just some simple questions to determine if  a person has a mind sound enough to make important decisions like electing people to high offices.If they cannot, then they really shouldn't be allowed to pull the lever to cancel those that do JMHO! ;)
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2012, 02:58:22 PM »

Good point. What about the other 6 listed ?

When your first argument is that phoney, the rest become automatically suspect and not deserving of attention. You should know this ???

With that logic, a criminal with several felony charges against him should go free if the first is thrown out.

Yes.......if we were talking about felons in court. We are not though. ::)

Nevertheless: When testimony in court is proven to be false, the rest of the testimony provided by the prevericator is suspect and given less weight. So your example doesn't help your position much. :P
You misunderstood my logic.

In the Immortal words of Spock..........Not the Doctor! Your attempt at Logic is Illogical ???
I don't think it goes far enough. I think voters should have to pass a minimal knowledge test on such things as...........What is the Constitution, Name one president after Washington but before Honest Abe,Count to 20 without removing your shoes.Who are your state Rep's for the Senate and House. Name two amendments and explain what they are about,and last but not least..................Where was The current Democrat President really Born? ;) Just some simple questions to determine if  a person has a mind sound enough to make important decisions like electing people to high offices.If they cannot, then they really shouldn't be allowed to pull the lever to cancel those that do JMHO! ;)
According to Sheldon, it applies perfectly to the rules of logic. Because you can't follow what I mean, does not make it illogical. It just means you don't understand my point because my point is hidden by your mistaken perception of what I meant.
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2012, 03:25:57 PM »
I'm with nw_hunter.  Not only should we be proud to show an id to vote, we ought to have to demonstrate a minimal amount of intelligence.  I think lots of American citizens are too stupid to vote.  They should have to correctly answer a few very basic questions.  Such as:
Do you have a job?.
Should you have a job?
Do you want a job?
What is your mother's maiden name?
What is the Constitution?
What is our eldest child's date of birth?
etc. 
A vote by an idiot is a blot on the entire system.  It not only is useless, it tallies against America's values.  Providing identification should be the very minimum of requirements to place a vote. 
In the end, I don't think it matters.  Extremely stupid people don't turn out at the polls.  They don't care.  As long as they get something free, it matters not who is in power.  Even if they didn't get the free stuff, they don't have the mental capacity to know why they didn't get it.
Going further, I don't think it matters how intelligent people vote.  The nation is headed for a very sorrowful end.  Republicans can't fix it at this point.  I feel sorry for the younger folks (who are mostly liberal).  They will reap the future horror of their current beliefs.     

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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2012, 04:17:47 PM »
So we have Libs worried about stealing elections. ;D  Boy, you just can't make up better stuff than this. ::)
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Re: seven ways to steal and election
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2012, 04:49:03 PM »
I agree with something that was said before. Why is it that the Democrats are the only ones pitching a bitch about having to show a proper ID to be able to vote ?  The answer to that question is pretty evident.


the stupid voting block = a democrat voting block


mostly people than can't maintain an ID and have transportation tend to be democrats


people that don't know what day election day is and what todays date is tend to be democrats
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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