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Offline Capt Hamp Cox

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« on: February 07, 2004, 08:23:32 PM »
Where have you heard "Uva uvam vivendo varia fit" and what does it mean?
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2004, 04:49:13 AM »
Howdy,

Looks like taking some time off refreshed the crew.  Nice to see all the posting.

This "pig"  :wink:  latin is from the sign at Gus and Call's place in Lonesome Dove.  I'm gonna email a good pard of mine, Lajitas Bob and see if he'll share his research and analysis.  It's quite a little tale.

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But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.  - Edmund Burke

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2004, 08:48:04 AM »
For once I get to come up with an answer before ol' Hext. :-D

The Latin phrase that appears on the Hat Creek Cattle Company sign in "Lonesome Dove" is a garbled corruption, and there's no direct translation. It derives from the scholia to Juvenal 2.81 which cites the proverb "uva uvam videndo varia fit" This means something like "a grape changes color [i.e., ripens] when it sees [another] grape"

Novelist Larry McMurtry probably intentionally misused the Latin, perhaps to make a point about Augustus McCrae's tenuous understanding of the language.

From there, any number of interpretations have arisen to explain why McMurtry chose to communicate that particular idea. Probably the soundest theory is that the phrase serves as a metaphor for the group's journey, as many of the story's characters go through a process of personal maturation and development. Much like grapes ripen in the presence of others.

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2004, 08:59:55 AM »
Thanks, Colonel.  That's the same translation I had found.  Be interesting to see what Hext comes up with.  Got to watch he doesn't make something up and try to get it by us.  He's a slippery one.  Gotta give him credit, though, he did remember where he'd seen it.
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