Author Topic: 30-30 Win Premium Bullets (Read 3804 times)

lgm270 · « **on:** August 27, 2012, 02:15:07 PM »

Premium bullets for the 30-30 Wn are offered by several different bullet makers, as follows:

Woodleigh 150 Grain Weldcore:

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/120x90/primary/544/544691.jpg

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/544691/woodleigh-bullets-30-30-winchester-308-diameter-150-grain-weldcore-flat-nose-soft-point-box-of-50

Swift A-Frame 150 and 170 grain bullets:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/481703/swift-a-frame-lever-action-rifle-bullets-30-30-winchester-caliber-308-diameter-170-grain-flat-nose-box-of-50

Swift A-Frame Lever Action Rifle Bullets 30-30 Winchester Caliber (308 Diameter) 170 Grain Flat Nose Box of 50 height=64

Swift A-Frame Lever Action Rifle Bullets 30-30 Winchester Caliber (308 Diameter) 170 Grain Flat Nose Box of 50 height=64

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/348014/swift-a-frame-lever-action-rifle-bullets-30-30-winchester-caliber-308-diameter-150-grain-flat-nose-box-of-50

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/120x90/primary/348/348014.jpg

Speer 150 grain Deep Curl:

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/120x90/primary/162/162713.jpg

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/161076/speer-deepcurl-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-150-grain-flat-nose-box-of-100

Nosler 170 grain Partition:

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/120x90/primary/261/261895.jpg

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/261895/nosler-partition-bullets-30-30-winchester-308-diameter-170-grain-round-nose-box-of-50

Barnes 150 Grain Triple Shock:

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/120x90/primary/388/388970.jpg

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/388970/barnes-triple-shock-x-bullets-30-30-caliber-308-diameter-150-grain-flat-nose-lead-free-box-of-50

Anybody have any experience with any of these? Any thoughts on them? I find them interesting.

Mikey · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2012, 01:36:41 AM »

I don't know that I would go as far as to load a premium bullet into a 30-30. I have never known a 30-30 to need a premium bullet. Factory 150 - 170 gn flat nosed slugs from the 30-30 and 32 Spl have been used on bear, hog and whitetail since the calibers were developed, without problem or failure that I know of, so I don't think I would go the expense of a premium bullet when a plain ol Hornady slug will work just as well. imo.

RevJim · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:26:50 AM »

I've shot the Barnes 150 XFN in both standard and Ackley Imp versions. It is accurate. I like woodleigh bullets alot, it would be my pick along with the Partition. Honestly, the old Speer 170 HotCor is a great performer on heavier game, i.e. hogs. I would shoot an elk with that bullet, and the DeepCurl would likely do the same thing. I also shot the Hawk 190 .030" jacket softnose over H335 in the standard and got over 2100 fps with it. It too was accurate. I grew up using the Remington 150 corelokt on deer/hogs, SE Texas, never had a bullet failure. I think the premium bullets are nice to have around, just to play with if nothing else,ha.

BBF · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2012, 08:24:38 AM »

They may perform worse then the standard cup&core.

JesterGrin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 28, 2012, 10:59:21 AM »

The Choice of Bullet is how you perceive things.

The standard cup and core bullets such as Remingtons Work just fine.

But if you just wish to brag or to show off some Fancy Bullet then one of the premium brands can do this.

Or if it just makes you feel better and more confident then by all means pick what you like. The Barnes Triple Shock is a nice bullet overall. Sorry just what I have read since I have not needed a no Lead Bullet.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #5 on:** August 30, 2012, 01:12:26 AM »

corelocks are as premium as i need in as 3030. Ive yet to have an animal walk away form one that was hit in the vitals.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:27:34 AM »

It would be like putting racing gas in a work truck at the end of the day you ain't done no more work just spent mo money .

Drilling Man · « **Reply #7 on:** August 30, 2012, 04:12:22 AM »

I agree that the 30-30 doesn't need a premium bullet for it's intended game... BUT, if i was carrying one where something bigger lived, i'd feel more comfortable with it loaded with NP's. The extra penetration just may come in handy in that situation!

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2012, 04:18:36 AM »

I once read an article where a ranger was trapped in a box cayon by grizz bears and was forced to kill all 6 ( I believe it was 6 ) with his 30-30 . It was back in the day before butique bullets . I would feel confident with good old 170 silvertip if you can find them .

lgm270 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2012, 12:42:24 PM »

Quote from: RevJim on August 28, 2012, 05:26:50 AM

I've shot the Barnes 150 XFN in both standard and Ackley Imp versions. It is accurate. I like woodleigh bullets alot, it would be my pick along with the Partition. Honestly, the old Speer 170 HotCor is a great performer on heavier game, i.e. hogs. I would shoot an elk with that bullet, and the DeepCurl would likely do the same thing. I also shot the Hawk 190 .030" jacket softnose over H335 in the standard and got over 2100 fps with it. It too was accurate. I grew up using the Remington 150 corelokt on deer/hogs, SE Texas, never had a bullet failure. I think the premium bullets are nice to have around, just to play with if nothing else,ha.

I like the way you think Rev. You certainly amassed alot of experience with the 30-30. More is better and playing with new bullets is indeed fun.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:56:56 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 30, 2012, 04:18:36 AM

I once read an article where a ranger was trapped in a box cayon by grizz bears and was forced to kill all 6 ( I believe it was 6 ) with his 30-30 . It was back in the day before butique bullets . I would feel confident with good old 170 silvertip if you can find them .

I wonder who wrote that fiction story??? lol I bet those bears were armed and shooting back too, maybe even hideing behind rocks?

ha ha ha

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2012, 12:52:04 AM »

I don't believe it was fiction . It was back when I was in college so I would guess it was in either Sports Afield or Field and Stream around 1974-76 . The guy was some sort of ranger and checking an area he was responsible for and got caught . I don't remember the make up of the bear group as far as size goes .

ironglow · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2012, 01:41:27 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 30, 2012, 02:27:34 AM

It would be like putting racing gas in a work truck at the end of the day you ain't done no more work just spent mo money .

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From my experience with 30/30..I have to agree with Shootall......
I gave my marlin 336 to my grandson last season, intending to hunt with my H&R .243 and 100 gr Nosler parts & Hornady interlocks. Well, a visit to my local gun shop..and I came home with a new Ruger American in .308. I already have some WW 150 gr Powerpoints..and when my new scope arrives..if these are a bit too much recoil for comfort, I will download some to 30/30 specs with Winn PP or Rem corelock bullets.
As it goes now..for reloads, I'm looking at Hornady 150 gr interlock bullets..(not premium priced @ Midway)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2012, 01:52:32 AM »

I loaded some 308 with 130 gr bullets using the Hornady handbook . I kept the charge weight near the low end and they are very mild plesant to shoot in a Ruger INT. they were for my daughter in law but now I use them. They work great on deer.

ironglow · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2012, 03:28:31 AM »

I had all the confidence I could use while deer hunting with my Marlin 30/30, using WW CXP2.... in either 150 or 170 gr.
They did the job..right now..

Savage .250 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2012, 03:45:47 AM »

I have no need for the high priced bullet. My bang/flop count is doing just fine with the "regular" rounds.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2012, 04:09:00 AM »

I guess in some cases the better bullets are good maybe nessary but in other cases it might just be marketing to drive up sales/profit. I wonder how much the cost of regular old style bullets went up to cover the cost of making the new improved unneeded ones ?

nomosendero · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2012, 04:12:25 PM »

Quote from: Drilling Man on August 30, 2012, 02:56:56 PM

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 30, 2012, 04:18:36 AM
I once read an article where a ranger was trapped in a box cayon by grizz bears and was forced to kill all 6 ( I believe it was 6 ) with his 30-30 . It was back in the day before butique bullets . I would feel confident with good old 170 silvertip if you can find them .

I wonder who wrote that fiction story??? lol I bet those bears were armed and shooting back too, maybe even hideing behind rocks? ha ha ha

DM

Yea, I wonder if he got the death penality, it would have to be a rough deal?

GeneRector · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2012, 07:15:12 PM »

Howdy! I think it is just human nature to try to "tweak" something to make it better. It does not always produce anything really better; however. I bought some new ammo once thinking it would be the best ever for my firearm. It turned out to be rather poor for my gun. That is why I really like to find hunters and shooters that have found a great cartridge that works well and is recommended. You don't need any fancy bullet to hunt deer and hogs. Always, Gene

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 16, 2012, 03:54:20 AM »

Quote from: GeneRector on August 31, 2012, 07:15:12 PM

That is why I really like to find hunters and shooters that have found a great cartridge that works well and is recommended. You don't need any fancy bullet to hunt deer and hogs. Always, Gene

it's great fun to talk about velocity, bullet design, this, that... I can do it all day... but within a pretty wide range, it all boils down to hitting the right spot. Took me forever to be truly convinced of that, but I am now. After going through a 270 and a 30-06, I'm adequately equipped with a 336 in 30-30.

BBF · « **Reply #20 on:** September 16, 2012, 04:40:41 AM »

I don't have a 30-30 instead I had bought and used a 336 in 35 Rem for many years until I passed it on to my #2 daughter and switched to a 444 myself in the lever guns.

Unless you hunt in open and windy country IMO the 30-30 will do for everything with standard cup&core bullets short of the biggest bears.

longwinters · « **Reply #21 on:** September 17, 2012, 06:01:29 AM »

I just re-scoped my dad's old Marlin 30-30. I haven't used it in probably 25 years. Put a Weaver 4x scope on it and was thinking about using it this year for deer. The thing is, where I hunt now is not woods like I grew up in, but open fields. So I am going to look at the Hornady Leverevolution cartridges. Yup, they cost more than the Rem coreloks that I always used. I don't know if they are considered premium or not. But if I can go 200 yds with it, accurately, with the Hornady's I will. If not, I'll stick with my 7m-08, 308, 280 or my contender pistol in 7-30 Waters.

Long

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** September 18, 2012, 03:29:51 AM »

Quote from: nomosendero on August 31, 2012, 04:12:25 PM

Quote from: Drilling Man on August 30, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 30, 2012, 04:18:36 AM
I once read an article where a ranger was trapped in a box cayon by grizz bears and was forced to kill all 6 ( I believe it was 6 ) with his 30-30 . It was back in the day before butique bullets . I would feel confident with good old 170 silvertip if you can find them .

I wonder who wrote that fiction story??? lol I bet those bears were armed and shooting back too, maybe even hideing behind rocks? ha ha ha

DM

Yea, I wonder if he got the death penality, it would have to be a rough deal?

It was an article about the 30-30 and its use as a saddle gun in a new age of "more modern guns " the guy got caught in a bad situation and his 30-30 got him out of it . He didn't brag or go looking for bear it just happened . I had a friend in college that was in conservation and parks he was asked to assist in culling bears in parks , they used 30-30's .

Drilling Man · « **Reply #23 on:** September 18, 2012, 03:48:54 AM »

A box canyon, and "forced" to kill 6 grizz bears??? Did they all attack at once? OR did they come one at a time?? Maybe they had been watching too many Gunsmoke shows and they thought they were indians??!! Were they drunk??

I've spend many years around and hunting big bears, and bears just don't hang out in box canyons looking to ambush folks, and when the shooting starts, they don't hang around and keep chargeing someone as they are being shot one by one! At least they don't on the planet i live on.

All i can say is, if it REALLY happened, he must have run into a family of inbred retarded bears!! To be honest, i find it hard anyone would believe that story, at least the way it's been told in this thread...

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** September 18, 2012, 04:31:53 AM »

You have much more experince it seems than the ranger who happened upon the bears or I since the grizz in the wild I have seen were while goose and duck hunting in Canada . As for me I have not faced every situation that could occure with bears , hey I have killed many deer over the past 44 years and it seems I learn something new even today .
As to the story in the 70's I wish I could find a reprint as it would be more accurate than my memory. But it seemed the bears were heading into the canyon and there was little chance of the ranger going unnoticed as it was a small place. Did Gunsmoke shows have bear attacks as a standard fare ? I must have missed it ...........

Deerhunter#1 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:40:12 AM »

I was going to post this question in a new post but though maybee you guys could give your thought a little more on a 30-30 160 grain ftx. Made it to the range today with my new 30-30 savage 340 bolt gun and it shot these bullets great. Loaded with both leverevolution powder at the 2350 range and h4895 at the 2200 ft second. These loads shot great and were close to the top as advertized load info. That said do you guys think either these loads/ bullet combo would be ok for black bear out to 150 yards. or would one of the conventional fn sp bullets be supperior. Not sure if i should go with another bullet as i really want to use this new old gun. my other option is to go with my 270 with the 130 grain loads i developed so far. Any thoughts would be great.

BBF · « **Reply #26 on:** October 09, 2012, 02:45:52 PM »

Without knowing the particulars on the 270 Win. with a 130 gr bullet I would consider the 30-30 a better choice in either the flextip or a good cup and core bullet in 170 gr. BTW since it is a bolt action you could consider a RN or even a Spitzer bullet.

Deerhunter#1 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 09, 2012, 02:59:53 PM »

Well with the 270 there is a significant increase in energy with my reloads from 26 to 2900 ft second. I am really just thinking the larger 30-30 might give a larger wound channel. The ftx has a good bc but was thinking it might be a little soft and the speer deep curl 170 fn also isnt far behind in bc and reviews seem pretty good. Spitzers are really to long for the magazine unless seated extra deep which only takes away case compasity and speed which is no help anyway.

BBF · « **Reply #28 on:** October 09, 2012, 05:07:17 PM »

I'd go with a partition type bullet if going with the 270. Nothing wrong with the Speer bullet in the 30-30.

Ranger99 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 09, 2012, 05:13:30 PM »

got some barnes tsx's to try , but
a fairly major setback has me out
of the 30/30 business for a while.
when i can get up and running i'll
report.