Rotten apples

[ironglow]

  These guys are the typical rotten apples who make the whole barrel (their department) take on a rotten stench!  I know they are a very large force, but it still appears to me that the LAPD has just too many of these kinds of incidents..
   Hang on LA taxpayers, this little woman (IMO) has a much more solid, less provoked case than did Rodney King..
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brutal-lapd-arrest-caught-video-department-investigating-cops-bodyslamming-nurse-cell-phone-traffic-stop-article-1.1146962
    Scroll down and watch the video..it's sure to make you angry

[finisher]

From what I saw in the video, although we cannot hear it, the lady's door was open (for what ever unknown reason) and it is possible that the officers may have ordered to exit her vehicle (for whatever unknown reason).


Not trying to justify, but I'd bet that at this point she probably asked what for and told 'em to "get bent" and apparently, they did.


Now assuming that they had some reasonable suspicion of something illegal (other than talking on the cell while driving, which in my book makes her an ignoramus) then they would be all legit in ordering her out of the vehicle and even up to the point of the first take down justified by refusing an (assumed) lawful order.


But everything I see beyond that, I feel was completely excessive and unnecessary. Surely they had no idea that there was surveillance.


Hate to put it out there but this was every day LAPD and LASD when I was a kid (back in the days before there was a camera on every block). The only positive aspect about it (if you could call it that) was that if you were willing to take a cuffed beat down at the station and there were enough witnesses around, you could actually get a crack or two in (before five of them dog piled on you and put you in the car) and not have to worry about being charged for assault on an officer.


Based on your black and blue appearance (from an elevator ride in LA County jail), the judge usually would give no heed to any claims of assault on an officer (or the cops wouldn't even bring it up). My older brother (by nine years) was one of these gluttons for punishment.


He's one of the few people I know that has knocked out a number of cops while cuffed (martial arts maniac) and was never charged with assaulting an officer. He used to do it to the shore patrol also when he was in the Navy. Spent a lot of time in the brig but never got kicked out because of his particular expertise at which he was quite good.


Of course, he did not run either and he paid for it at the lock up in the form of missing teeth and cracked ribs. Takes a real hero to beat up an man while he's cuffed I guess. But, my brother was a knucklehead in his prime years. What can I say.


That was a different time in LA.

[Shu]

As pointed out many times not all cops are great. There are a few that are nothing more than thugs. Unfortunately those few really screw it up for the hard working honest ones.

[DDZ]

Id say they deserve to lose their jobs. Its to bad the womens skin color is not black. If it was she would have the force of the nation wide media on her side. 

[ironglow]

  You're correct on all counts there DDZ.  Likely she did mouth off at the officers, but that usually doesn't require a beating..especially where a small woman is concerned. If she were especially combative, perhaps even the first takedown if only to cuff her....but i see no need for the rough second takedown..especially since she was cuffed already.
     I also agree with Shu as I indicated with the lead line..a couple rotten apples can make the whole barrel take on a stench..

[Shu]

Some just don't get it. When the cuffs are on it's game over. One of the reasons I left law enforncement was officers administering back street justice. Another was management looking the other way.
 
In my opinion once in cuffs thats the end of it. You get a few who try to kick you or the car widow out. You can tie their feet without too much hassle. As far as mouthing off goes, I have been called everything you can think of. I used to smile at them and say well I'll still be an SOB but you will be in lock up for awhile with bigger meaner SOBs than me. Have a nice day.

[45-70.gov]

5  years from now  when all  is forgotten


these guys need to take a bullet...out  of now where...walking out of the grocery store..


the 2nd amendment  is not about duck hunting


prosicution should be in the best  interest  of  all parties involved

[Shu]

45-70,
Wow, you are tough on crime!!!
 
People wonder why member Dee and others often voice very pro police opinions. i believe it is becuase we hear so much negative about them and very little positve. We are used to ignoring them when their conduct is proper, but willing to lump them all in together when less than 1% act like thugs.

[Cuts Crooked]

5  years from now  when all  is forgotten


these guys need to take a bullet...out  of now where...walking out of the grocery store..

Kewl!!!! Advocating murder on a public forum.......nice touch!

[finisher]

5  years from now  when all  is forgotten


these guys need to take a bullet...out  of now where...walking out of the grocery store..


the 2nd amendment  is not about duck hunting


prosicution should be in the best  interest  of  all parties involved

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This is a little extreme I think.    Perhaps a broken jaw administered by the husband or a brother is more like it.


But all too often while in the process of administering street justice, people don't know when enough is enough, they keep slugging and kicking and before you know it, someone is dead from foot administered head trauma.


From what I know about LAPD policy, this guy MIGHT, and that's a big MAYBE, get fired but he absolutely WILL NOT BE CHARGED for a crime, mark my words.


As for street justice, many of you may not know this but in LA cops get their asses kicked ALL THE TIME. But to make this widely, publicly known would truly be a dis-service to the public at large and could ignite fires in the streets that would be difficult to extinguish (example the Rodney King fiasco). It is a matter of public safety that these incidents are kept as quiet as possible, especially if the officer, through his own lack of professionalism, brought the beat down on himself.


They are usually young cops that get cocky and bite off more than they can chew. In the end, they are lucky to walk away with their lives and many of them quit the force and say "nope, not for me".


The Sheriff's Dept. is a little different in the sense that they require all academy grads to work a minimum of two years handling inmates in the notorious LA County Jail. This definitely hardens them up and gives them an idea of what they'll be dealing with on the streets before they get out there.


The down side to this is that they get into a dehumanizing mentality and treat EVERYONE the way they'd treat a county inmate who is on trial for robbery.


As for the guys in this video... who knows .

[45-70.gov]

yes  i was / am extreem
  but what happened shouldn't be take so lightly either
i have  no problem with  good   cops


i still have a problem when  good cops  don't arrest bad cops


when   good cops look the other  way


EXTREEM THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN

[Shu]

Got no problem being tough on crime.
I think every American is entitled to due process. When cops use street justice they violate that. It only takes 1 or 2 to give the rest a bad name.

[45-70.gov]

MAYBE   I AM JUST TOOOOO TOUGH ON CRIME


 what i saw was a crime


if the government  won't del with it the people need to

[finisher]

yes  i was / am extreem
  but what happened shouldn't be take so lightly either
i have  no problem with  good   cops


i still have a problem when  good cops  don't arrest bad cops


when   good cops look the other  way


EXTREEM THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN

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When I was in elementary school, every now and then, it did happen. There was a case in Alhambra, CA where a detective allegedly beat up a 19 year old so bad at the station that the kid ended up in a wheel chair. The younger brother stalked this cop for a week or so and when the opportunity presented itself, he walked right up to the detectives car and unloaded a .38 revolver into the detectives head just a block or two from the station.


The kid threw the gun in the car, walked to the station and turned himself in. I don't remember if it was thirty years to life or a straight life sentence. The alleged beating was never confirmed and the story was swept out of the papers very quickly.


Hows that for extreme.

[45-70.gov]

too big  a hurry