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Paki Girl was set up
« on: September 02, 2012, 05:52:07 AM »
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By Amna Nawaz, NBC NewsRimsha Masih, the Christian Pakistani girl accused of blasphemy for burning holy Muslim texts may have been framed by a local Muslim cleric who was among the first to accuse her of the crime, police officials said on Sunday.
Khalid Jadoon was arrested after witnesses from Masih's village, on the outskirts of the country’s capital, complained about his alleged actions.
The cleric appeared briefly in court on Sunday before he was sent to jail for a 14-day judicial remand.
Religious and secular groups worldwide have protested over the detention in August of Rimsha Masih, accused by Muslim neighbors of burning Islamic religious texts.
Pakistani Christians live in fear after girl's blasphemy arrest
A local man, Hafiz Zubair, came forward to offer testimony in which he claims to have seen Jadoon fabricating evidence by mixing holy text pages with ashes.
Speaking to a local news channel, Zubair said: "I asked Jadoon why he was fabricating the evidence. He said that this would ensure a strong case against the girl and would ultimately help them in evicting the Christians from the locality."
Police official Munir Hussain Jafri told Reuters: "Witnesses complained that he had torn pages from a Koran and placed them in her bag which had burned papers."
Life for All Pakistan, one of the campaign groups working to secure Rimsha's release, issued a statement in response to the latest twist in the story, saying: “This is a national issue and everyone who claims to be secular and liberal should raise their voice.”
A bail hearing will be held on Monday for Masih, whose case has re-focused a spotlight on Pakistan's anti-blasphemy law.
 Under the law, anyone who speaks ill of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad commits a crime and faces the death penalty.
 Activists and human rights groups say vague terminology has led to its misuse, and that the law dangerously discriminates against the Muslim country's tiny minority groups.
 Critics of Pakistan's leaders say they are too worried about an extremist backlash to speak out against the law in a nation where religious conservatism is increasingly prevalent.
 Convictions are common, although the death sentence has never been carried out. Most convictions are thrown out on appeal, but mobs have killed many people accused of blasphemy.
 There have been conflicting reports about Masih's age and her mental state. Some media have said she is 11 and suffers from Down's Syndrome.
 A hospital said in a report she was about 14 but had the mental capacities of someone younger, and was uneducated.
 Masih's arrest triggered an exodus of several hundred Christians from her poor village after mosques reported over their loudspeakers what the girl was alleged to have done.
 Christians, who make up four percent of Pakistan's population of 180 million, have been especially concerned about the blasphemy law, saying it offers them no protection.
 Convictions hinge on witness testimony and are often linked to vendettas, they complain.
 In 2009, 40 houses and a church were set ablaze by a mob of 1,000 Muslims in the town of Gojra, in Punjab province. At least seven Christians were burned to death. The attacks were triggered by reports of the desecration of the Koran.
 Two Christian brothers accused of writing a blasphemous letter against the Prophet Mohammad were gunned down outside a court in the eastern city of Faisalabad in July of 2010.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Re: Paki Girl was set up
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2012, 10:52:03 AM »
CUTS. Oh come now, you surely don't mean that muslims would LIE to persecute Christians do you?? I'm shocked, shocked I say. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 07:14:49 PM »
Seems to me that that rabble-rouser of a cleric is guilty of insulting mohammed and he is the one that should be stoned or whatever it is that peace loving muslims do to bad people.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 04:56:49 AM »
Seems to me that that rabble-rouser of a cleric is guilty of insulting mohammed and he is the one that should be stoned or whatever it is that peace loving muslims do to bad people.

 
Uhhh, nope, their false pedophile prophet encouraged lying to gain control, a feather in his rag, errrrrr, I mean cap. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 09:34:43 AM »
If its against the law for the little girl to tear up the book wouldn't it also be for the cleric?
Does Islam teach it's ok to bear false witness? 
Yes , I know every religion has it's bad apples also.
 
And what the heck Cuts Crooked beat PM to the draw with this one. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 10:24:18 AM »
If its against the law for the little girl to tear up the book wouldn't it also be for the cleric?
Does Islam teach it's ok to bear false witness? 
Yes , I know every religion has it's bad apples also.
 
And what the heck Cuts Crooked beat PM to the draw with this one. ;D ;D ;D ;D

 
SHU. YEP, Cuts did good.  ;) . About the false witness thing, YES, it is not only permissable but encouraged if it can promote their agenda. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Paki Girl was set up
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 10:52:34 AM »
If its against the law for the little girl to tear up the book wouldn't it also be for the cleric? Does Islam teach it's ok to bear false witness?  Yes , I know every religion has it's bad apples also.
 
And what the heck Cuts Crooked beat PM to the draw with this one. ;D ;D ;D ;D
i'm thinkin' that PM wouldn't have wanted to broadcast this one. Here's how it looks: scoundrel cleric lied, whereas the PM schtick is that all Muslims are evil, and this girls' peril was due to all Muslims. The story has taken a turn, not to that narrative's advantage.


How did all this come to light? Was there a speshul non-Muslim court, or... did Muslims bring this deception to light?
 
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SHU. YEP, Cuts did good.  ;) . About the false witness thing, YES, it is not only permissable but encouraged if it can promote their agenda. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Seems to me that we've got a lot of self-professed CHristians who do the same sort of thing... they justify their lies with religion & ideology, too.


the things those humans will do, whilst thinkin' theyselves better than other humans...
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 12:03:32 PM »
The muslim cleric wouldn't be the first to lie or bear false witness, there were a few others that did also. Judas Iscaroit comes to mind, people under the Inquisition did out of fear. Even those folks who wanted Christ crucified lied. Those were umm err ummm errrr umm Jews.
 

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2012, 02:51:49 AM »
The cleric got arrested, cuffed, blindfolded and led away to the same lockup where the girl was. He is also charged with blasphemy since he mixed torn pages of the Koran with ashes.
 
  Sometimes the "Wheel" turns faster than normal but it does turn.
 
BTW Isn't there an acount in the Bible with a young woman that resisted the advances of two scumbags trying to blackmail for their lustful intentions.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2012, 03:47:39 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2012, 05:48:38 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2012, 11:04:05 PM »

 
Uhhh, nope, their false pedophile prophet encouraged lying to gain control

You know, I have seen this sort of comment several time on the internet, to the effect that it is considered ok, for muslims, to lie too/about Christians in order to further the interests of Islam. But I have never seen the source for this statement. Can anyone enlighten us regarding this? Is this actually written in the Quran or other Islamic religious text?
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 04:30:58 AM »
I believe not only in the Koran and at least one other "holy" book from a different religion.
 
Somewhere back we had some rather long  pastes right out of the Koran( English Translation) here that contained this.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 02:58:06 PM »
Ulema weighing in on side of the accused girl? Why, this is just getting better and better. Who knows... perhaps it'll cause some individual thinking & soul-searching (in Pakistan; not likely here amongst the GBO gang)


Hafiz Mohammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi has a son with Downs; perhaps that prompted him to speak out. People have more in common than they think, if they can get past religion & ideology. It is good when they realize this.

What do our resident Muslim haters & bible experts think about the turn this case has taken?

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Judge grants bail for the child.
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2012, 03:04:10 AM »
Judge grants bail to Christian girl accused of blasphemy in Pakistan  Published September 07, 2012
Associated Press     
  •    Aug. 30, 2012: Pakistanis walk in a Christian neighborhood in Islamabad, Pakistan. (AP)
  ISLAMABAD –  A Pakistani judge granted bail Friday to a young, mentally challenged Christian girl accused of insulting Islam for burning pages of the religion's holy book. Rights activists welcomed the decision after calling for her release since she was arrested three weeks ago.
The case has focused attention on Pakistan's harsh blasphemy laws, which activists claim are used to persecute minorities and settle personal vendettas.
 
Judge Mohammed Azam Khan set bail at 1 million Pakistani rupees, or about $10,500, a significant sum in a country where many families live on only a few dollars a day. The girl's impoverished family may need outside financial support to free her.
 
The young girl, who is reported to be 14 years old and suffering from some form of mental impairment, was arrested after an angry mob showed up at a police station in her neighborhood in Islamabad and accused her of burning pages from the Koran, an act punishable by life in prison under the country's harsh blasphemy laws. Her lawyer has denied the allegation.
 
In an unusual twist, police arrested a Muslim cleric from her neighborhood a week ago after a follower from his mosque accused him of stashing pages of a Koran in her bag to make it seem as if she burned them. He allegedly planted the evidence to push Christians out of the neighborhood and is now being investigated for blasphemy himself. He has denied the allegation.
 
The head of Human Rights Watch in Pakistan, Ali Dayan Hasan, praised the judge's decision to grant the young girl bail.
 
"The fact is that this child should not have been behind bars at all," Hasan said. "All charges against her should be dropped, and Pakistan's criminal justice system should instead concentrate on holding her accuser accountable for inciting violence against the child and members of the local Christian community."
 
Hasan added, "Human Rights Watch hopes that the blatant abuse that has come to light in this case will lead to a considered re-examination of the law, and all stake-holders in Pakistan will actively seek to end frequent abuses perpetrated under cover of blasphemy allegations."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/07/judge-grants-bail-to-christian-girl-accused-blasphemy-in-pakistan/#ixzz25mwmzc8n
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2012, 04:31:43 AM »

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SHU. YEP, Cuts did good.  ;) . About the false witness thing, YES, it is not only permissable but encouraged if it can promote their agenda. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Seems to me that we've got a lot of self-professed CHristians who do the same sort of thing... they justify their lies with religion & ideology, too.
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bsflagTrying to justify a Muslim Atrocity with Diversion!
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2012, 05:01:18 AM »

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SHU. YEP, Cuts did good.  ;) . About the false witness thing, YES, it is not only permissable but encouraged if it can promote their agenda. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Seems to me that we've got a lot of self-professed CHristians who do the same sort of thing... they justify their lies with religion & ideology, too.
...

bsflagTrying to justify a Muslim Atrocity with Diversion!

 
YEP, as always. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2012, 06:27:45 AM »
Trying to justify a Muslim Atrocity with Diversion!
Cute image... but where is the atrocity that you think attention is diverted from? Isn't this story about a crooked cleric being smoked out, and that by OTHER MUSLIMS, and support of ulema being thrown to this girl?
 
Stick to the topic, please...
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2012, 11:13:11 AM »
It is about time!!
This is really one of the few positve stories, unfortunately this girl is still in prison. It will take more than a few clerics wishing her out. My understanding the little girl is autistic, so I have to ask does she know right from wrong? Is she able to distinguish the Koran from the Bible? Does she even know why she is in prison?
 
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2012, 02:02:56 PM »
Trying to justify a Muslim Atrocity with Diversion!
Cute image... but where is the atrocity that you think attention is diverted from? Isn't this story about a crooked cleric being smoked out, and that by OTHER MUSLIMS, and support of ulema being thrown to this girl?
 
Stick to the topic, please...

I am on topic - What they did to that girl is a Muslim Atrocity.
 
You provided the diversion when you attempted to relate Christians to Muslims!
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2012, 02:29:18 PM »
Trying to justify a Muslim Atrocity with Diversion!
Cute image... but where is the atrocity that you think attention is diverted from? Isn't this story about a crooked cleric being smoked out, and that by OTHER MUSLIMS, and support of ulema being thrown to this girl?
 
Stick to the topic, please...

I am on topic - What they did to that girl is a Muslim Atrocity.
 
You provided the diversion when you attempted to relate Christians to Muslims!

 
YEP. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Paki Girl was set up
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2012, 06:41:57 AM »
Latest I saw, the girl is free.   Good. Now to that snake of a cleric and those  that orchestrated this.
 
 :) Sometimes Islamic laws are a good thing, I doubt they get a suspended sentence unless it involves a rope or a cut above the shoulders.
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2012, 08:02:14 AM »

I am on topic - What they did to that girl is a Muslim Atrocity.
 
You provided the diversion when you attempted to relate Christians to Muslims!
which, precisely, is the Muslim Atrocity? The Muslim who accused her of blasphemy, or the Muslims who testified against the accuser?


Looks to me like it's a case of some Muslim Justice, where Right is Done. Whaddyathink, Bro Ray?
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