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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2012, 12:42:03 PM »
That type of red-dot........I like the Burris fastfire.  A little more money , believe it to be worth it.  Honestly though , I'm not familiar with nor have I used any of those you ask about.  Good Hunting
 
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 02:11:17 AM »
I have shot a lot of guns with red-dots. The ones I would recommend are, Ulltra-dot and aim point. I always said, you get what you pay for.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2012, 06:08:35 AM »
  i had 2 Bushnell Trophy Red dots, they lasted about 6 shots out of my Ruger SRH, 44mag  A Truglo 2 power red dot lasted a little longer, I have a Bushnell Holo sight that works great on my .44 SRH, and a 1o inch .44 mag   Contender.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2012, 08:18:01 AM »
I have a Vortex Razor, 3min red dot. I'm using it on a 357 Max. I got it from Camera Land. I really like it.
I also have a Bushnell TRS 25. on a 14 in 7x30 Waters that has done well. I prefer the reflex sight though.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 03:41:28 PM »
I appreciate the replies/suggestions and it looks like I'm going to have to spend some money on a good optic, as I brought home a Ruger SRH 9 1/2" barrel, in 44 Mag.
 

 
I gotta get out and get some reloading supplies and see how well this beast shoots. Right now, I'm going to use the open sights and if I don't like the results, I'll have to find a red dot.
 
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2012, 06:09:43 AM »
mine is a SRH with 7 1/2 bbl, I do not recommend any red dot optics for hunting.  Shooting targets or bowling pins sure, the Ultra Dot or Aim point.  For silhouettes at 50 and 100 meters as well as hunting a good handgun scope is my choice.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2012, 07:41:41 AM »
What Keith said +1.   
 
Easy for me to say though as I am not a fan of red dot/holographic sights on any firearm.
 
For what little it may be worth, except in the early days 45-50 years ago I have always gone the extra mile in optics, bought the best even if I had to save up for it.   But I finally got my arm twisted hard enough and long enough by a buddy to cave in and buy a "cheap" NcStar SECAQ3942R 3-9X42E Compact Illuminated P4 Sniper Rangefinding Ballistic Plex Scope.  The model designation is longer than the scope.   ;)   Expected it to be money just tossed into the wind, but a small price to pay to get a buddy off my back finally.   Turned out to be just the opposite, it is very immressive, great brightness and clarity optically, stout as all get out and heavy for its small size.   I couldn't mount it far enough back on the 6X47 carbine I had planned to put it on to actually try out, so it remains new in the box a sittin' on the shelf.   Probably or obviously as the case may be more an AR15/M16 type scope.   Long way of saying if their red dots are on par with this one, they might hold up to a 44MAG.   I might be fooled on how strong it "appears" to be, but I would have had no fear to try it on more than a 44 if I had owned something it mounted on.   Not much money would have been lost if it failed.
 
 
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2012, 03:20:46 PM »
mine is a SRH with 7 1/2 bbl, I do not recommend any red dot optics for hunting.  Shooting targets or bowling pins sure, the Ultra Dot or Aim point.  For silhouettes at 50 and 100 meters as well as hunting a good handgun scope is my choice.
Would love to hear why you say no red-dot for hunting.. I have been using Ultra-dots for many years, and have been very successful. From hogs, deer o black bear. Never had a problem. I have used scopes as well, but no longer use them. 50 to 75 yards with a red-dot is nothing, even in bright light. What is your actual hunting experience with red-dots?  Mine is very extensive an successful.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2012, 03:25:47 PM »
What Keith said +1.   
 
Easy for me to say though as I am not a fan of red dot/holographic sights on any firearm.
 
For what little it may be worth, except in the early days 45-50 years ago I have always gone the extra mile in optics, bought the best even if I had to save up for it.   But I finally got my arm twisted hard enough and long enough by a buddy to cave in and buy a "cheap" NcStar SECAQ3942R 3-9X42E Compact Illuminated P4 Sniper Rangefinding Ballistic Plex Scope.  The model designation is longer than the scope.   ;)   Expected it to be money just tossed into the wind, but a small price to pay to get a buddy off my back finally.   Turned out to be just the opposite, it is very immressive, great brightness and clarity optically, stout as all get out and heavy for its small size.   I couldn't mount it far enough back on the 6X47 carbine I had planned to put it on to actually try out, so it remains new in the box a sittin' on the shelf.   Probably or obviously as the case may be more an AR15/M16 type scope.   Long way of saying if their red dots are on par with this one, they might hold up to a 44MAG.   I might be fooled on how strong it "appears" to be, but I would have had no fear to try it on more than a 44 if I had owned something it mounted on.   Not much money would have been lost if it failed.

I have ultra-dots on my 475 Linebaughs, S&W 460 Mags, 454 Casull and 500 Mags. A lot more recoil than my 44 Mag. I have one Ultra-dot that has over 5000 rounds of heavy 500 Mags.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2012, 04:20:43 PM »
What Keith said +1.   
Etc. etc, etc.

I have ultra-dots on my 475 Linebaughs, S&W 460 Mags, 454 Casull and 500 Mags. A lot more recoil than my 44 Mag. I have one Ultra-dot that has over 5000 rounds of heavy 500 Mags.

I have no idea on any of them, as I said I don't care for them.  Simply gave the OP an idea of my one and only NcStar that might be an indicator as he asked about NcStar.    ;)
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2012, 07:34:21 PM »
my experience was with early units that had very poor aiming precision.  The dot could be on target yet at 20 yards strike 3 feet either side.  Also at and beyond 50 yards the dot covers more of the tatget than I find acceptable.  I DO NOT recommend them for hunting.  If you have had luck with them, good for you.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2012, 01:05:14 AM »
The reason that I don't care for crosshair scopes is the eye relief distances...they don't seem to fit anyone. Shooting one with bent elbows and no rest causes for poor shots, due to movement in the arms. Using a rest will make all the difference, but that's not always an option, when in a hunting situation.
 
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2012, 07:42:29 AM »
my experience was with early units that had very poor aiming precision.  The dot could be on target yet at 20 yards strike 3 feet either side.  Also at and beyond 50 yards the dot covers more of the tatget than I find acceptable.  I DO NOT recommend them for hunting.  If you have had luck with them, good for you.

How can you make an honest assessment on the new red-dots?  My ultra-dot match dots have a 2 moa setting, that covers 2 inches at 100 yards. The 4 MOA covers 4 inches at 100 yards.  At 50 yards, I can see a 2 inch circle in my ultra dot, keep all my shots under 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards from a rest. How is that not acceptable?  If you don't like red-dots, that on you, but don't count them out from your personal experience with older inaccurate red-dot, they are noting like today's red-dots. Maybe you should try the new ones out before you tell people not to use them.  Also I can pick up my target faster with a red-dot, than a scoped handgun. I have done a lot of handgun hunting with scopes, when you are in low light, the reticule is very difficult to find, the red-dot shines just fine.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2012, 07:46:31 AM »
The reason that I don't care for crosshair scopes is the eye relief distances...they don't seem to fit anyone. Shooting one with bent elbows and no rest causes for poor shots, due to movement in the arms. Using a rest will make all the difference, but that's not always an option, when in a hunting situation.
 
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Try a Ultra-dot, great for offhand shooting as well. That is how I practice most. I treat my handgun hunting as I do my bow hunting, I like to get close and take the shot. That to me is hunting. Long distance shooting is fine, but it really does not take the same skill as getting close to the game.  Don't get me wrong, I love to rifle hunt.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2012, 10:56:50 AM »
my experience was with early units that had very poor aiming precision.  The dot could be on target yet at 20 yards strike 3 feet either side.  Also at and beyond 50 yards the dot covers more of the tatget than I find acceptable.  I DO NOT recommend them for hunting.  If you have had luck with them, good for you.

How can you make an honest assessment on the new red-dots?  My ultra-dot match dots have a 2 moa setting, that covers 2 inches at 100 yards. The 4 MOA covers 4 inches at 100 yards.  At 50 yards, I can see a 2 inch circle in my ultra dot, keep all my shots under 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards from a rest. How is that not acceptable?  If you don't like red-dots, that on you, but don't count them out from your personal experience with older inaccurate red-dot, they are noting like today's red-dots. Maybe you should try the new ones out before you tell people not to use them.  Also I can pick up my target faster with a red-dot, than a scoped handgun. I have done a lot of handgun hunting with scopes, when you are in low light, the reticule is very difficult to find, the red-dot shines just fine.

So hitting somewhere around 2 inches at 100 yards is a good precise aiming point?? Not impressed yet
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 02:03:52 AM »
keith44, I am not here to try to impress you, but if you would like to come shoot my revolvers with a red-dot, and out shoot me, bring it on.  I am not shooting a short rifle Encore pistol. If you can't have a dialog with someone, get off the forum section. I simple ask how you can give advice on something you don't use or have not used for many years. You try to compair old early red-dot to today's red-dot. There is no comparison whatsoever! Don't get your panties in a bunch, if you don't like what I have to say move on, simple as that. You know what they say about opinions.
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 05:43:07 AM »
my opinion was asked and you want to change my mind...good for you. I don't like 'em, will not use them or any other sighting system that uses batteries, has that poor level of parallax, or is that fragile.  I shoot .44 magnum at 1,100 fps, it requires very precise bullet placement at extended ranges.  For instance a doe at 100 yards, calmly grazing or browsing a head shot would be out.  2 inch aiming dot, plus the 2 to 3 inch group combine to give a possible aiming error of 4 to 6 inches.


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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2012, 05:47:27 PM »
my opinion was asked and you want to change my mind...good for you. I don't like 'em, will not use them or any other sighting system that uses batteries, has that poor level of parallax, or is that fragile.  I shoot .44 magnum at 1,100 fps, it requires very precise bullet placement at extended ranges.  For instance a doe at 100 yards, calmly grazing or browsing a head shot would be out.  2 inch aiming dot, plus the 2 to 3 inch group combine to give a possible aiming error of 4 to 6 inches.


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Don't want you to change your mind, just don't talk about something you don't know anything about. You can't compair old red-dots to the new ones. Experience beats an opinion everyday!  I don't know how you do your math, but a two inch group is a two inch group. How you get 4 to 6 inches is beyond me. Also who in their right mind would want to do a head shot on any animal, the margin of error is way to high.  Try to have a nice day..  ;D
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2012, 07:15:35 PM »
I know what I need to know, the aiming is not precise enough, if you do not like the answer, do not ask the question
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Re: Could anyone recommend these optics for a 44 Mag?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 02:56:00 AM »
I know what I need to know, the aiming is not precise enough, if you do not like the answer, do not ask the question

Problem is, you never really answered any of my questions. I guess we can agree to disagree!   :)
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