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Type I or type II, that is the question?
« on: September 05, 2012, 11:31:43 AM »
I am not new to Contenders, in fact I have owned one since 1968.  I then spent many years not shooting or hunting due to family, health and other issues.  I have now started to get back into shooting and into the Contenders and Encores.  This then brings me to my question.  Can someone explain the difference in a type I and a type II Contender and also the barrels?  The oldest one I own came with a 45/410 barrel with the external choke tube.  It of course is an octagon shape.  The grips are highly figured and the checkering is also somewhat engraved not just plain checkering.  It has the lug on the bottom of the barrel (where extractor rides and pin that holds to frame) that is flat on the bottom not like the newer barrels that have a step down on the bottom of them.  If you try to mount a newer barrel on the old frame it will not close.  I have a newer barrel that a gunsmith machined the lower step down off of, for it to fit into the old frame.  I have three of the old flat bottomed barrels.  One is the 45/410, one is a 22 lr, and one is a 221 Fireball.  I guess what I am really asking are these collector items and should not be shot anymore or are they just shooters?  Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 03:21:41 PM »
Shoot them ,there is a,lot stuff still  around to buy or trade to play with.

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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 03:40:21 PM »
The G2 (2nd gen) contenders are the same as 1st except they have a easy open trigger guard by moving the hinge pin to middle of assy.  g2 barrels fit g1 contenders.  Dont know about encore barrels.  way to expensive for me.  I think there are so many contenders and associated hdwr. that it isnt very collectable.  But that is my opinion, not from knowledge.  Shoot em and enjoy.  they have good barrels and are very accurate.  Most people overprice their stuff and keep it forever.  I dont think g1 has any great value other than being good at what they are.

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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2012, 10:18:04 PM »
As I understand it, the Type I/Type II has more to do with the way in which the barrel was marked.  Is the mfg. name in one line vs. two and are there periods (.) in the state abbreviation.  I don't have the  information in front of me, but in one of the issues of One Good Shot, put out by the Thompson Center Assoc., this is explained in detail.
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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 03:44:04 AM »
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Can someone explain the difference in a type I and a type II Contender and also the barrels?

No one has answered the real question.  Also the flat bottom on the lug is very different than the newer barrels with the step down on the bottom of the lug.
I am not looking to try to sell them as collectors and make millions of dollars on them.  I just wanted some information about how rare they might be. Please read the original post again and see if you might be of help here.  Thanks
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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 04:15:36 AM »
Type 1 barrel has ALL writing on one line .Such as :

T/C ARMS  ROCHESTER NH 22 LR

Flat bottom with allen screw holding locking lugs in .

Type 2 barrels writting is on two lines with the a period after the N.H. such as :

THOMPSON : CENTER  ARMS  22 LR
          ROCHESTER N.H. 

All info on TC types  have been posted many times ,I just can't find it .                 

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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 04:51:10 AM »
"All info on TC types have been posted many times ,I just can't find it . "
 
Thanks 30Herrett, I could not find it either, but was sure of the availability of it.  That was what I wanted to know.  The frame I have will not accept the newer barrels, but that is OK I have pretty much left it to rest.  I have a couple of others to use.  I like the easy open frames much better for any kind of rapid or quicker fireing.  Thanks again.
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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 06:01:46 AM »
If the frame you have won't accept the newer barrels it is not a Contender.  With the exception of the muzzle loader barrels made for the G2 frames and some selected aftermarket barrels a Contender frame will work with a Contender barrel.  Sometimes it takes exchanging or polishing locking bolts, but they nearly all work.
I know of three basic frame types:  Contender, Easy Open Contender and G2 Contender.  The original and easy open are nearly the same, with the main difference being the location of the hinge pin for the opening lever.  The G-2 resembles an Encore with ribs extending from the sides of the frame.  The trigger in the G2 is not externally adjustable, so if your trigger is not to your liking it will likely take more work. 
I have all three frame styles and like them all.  I have several different barrel styles and all mine can work with all my frames.  I am a shooter, not a collector so I have no real idea of collectable styles.  Others can help you with that.
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Re: Type I or type II, that is the question?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 09:53:11 AM »
I'll offer part of it with comments from memory and some from my data base...
 
The "types" pretty much agreed on by those who sought the answers are below, T-1 to T-5. The T-6 thru T-9 types are still speculative, so I won't include them.   Sights are another area of variations yet to be completely untangled as well for all barrel types... short, long, styles and heights.  I do have a lot of it in my data base, but it is not complete.   While some generalizations can be made, variations did exist within barrel types.   But keep in mind that lots of variations have cropped up, factory run, "lunch time" oddities and such, all those modified by owners over the decades and those specifically made for TCA members only over the years with non standard lengths and for non standard cartridges that further cloud the mix.  I doubt they will ever ALL be untangled now as few bother to work on doing so anymore with the Contender long discontinued, and the few at TC who could add info long retired or dead.   I stopped trying long ago, never even started on the G2's, and while I did start a data base for the Encores their first years I dropped them as well after I sold all of mine.   
 
Probably the only person left who could possibly confirm the remaining most likely "types" correctly for all of them if he cared and had the time is Ed K.   I wouldn't hold you breath, he's a very busy man.
 
As for the barrel recoil blocks and bolts, in general the T-1 to T-4 vintage barrels "typically" need to be updated to the split bolts on Contenders made from the easy open vintage on - 1981 (from serial 195,000 on blue, all stainless and armor alloy "Contender" frames).   I'll say typically only though because there have been some variations that worked fine without modifications, but I'm not going to try to remember and list them as most likely I'll forget some.
 
The barrel types I will offer, originally assembled by Ron Sable, but that I edited them with additions for inclusion in my data base AND never bothered to complete with additional data learned later.
 
T-1 Octagon:   One line address, flat base barrel block, set screw for barrel bolt, short sight. 6 caliber's.  T/C Arms Rochester N.H. followed by the caliber (there are variations also, including both 8 3/4" and 10" versions.   Circa 1967

Pre Type 2 Octagon 10".   Significant difference is the caliber is located at the muzzle end of the address.

T-2 Octagon 10":   Has a two line address, flat base barrel block, set screw for barrel bolt.   Significant identification is a period after the N.H. This type had the largest caliber selection.   Circa 1967-1972.

T-3 Octagon 10":  Also has a two line address, but now the period is only after the H. (not after the N).    Flat base barrel block, set screw for barrel bolt,  Circa 1973-1975.  Bull barrels also found in this vintage.

T-4 Octagon 10":   Two line address, flat base barrel block, barrel bolt set screw was changed to a roll pin to hold in bolt.   There are both 10" bull barrels and 14" barrels in this vintage.

T-5 Octagon or bull:   The significant change was from the flat base barrel block to a stepped one.
 
All I'll add, can't remember anymore nor care to debate it.   Somebody else can carry on from here.
 
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