Rand Paul warns of possible obummer win caused by 3rd parties.

[powderman]

http://www.whas11.com/news/politics/Romney-could-be-derailed-by-third-party-candidates-168669126.html
 
 
Romney bid could be derailed by third party candidates, Rand Paul warns     by Joe Arnold  WHAS11.com Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Updated today at 6:48 PM    LOUISVILLE, Ky (WHAS11) -- One week after his Republican National Convention speech attempted to unite separate wings of the GOP, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul is warning that third party candidates could derail Mitt Romney's quest for the presidency.

Paul cited Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson's potential impact in the New Mexico and Nevada races and Constitution Party candidate Virgil Goode Jr's shaving votes from Romney in the Virginia race.

"Virginia could make a difference because Virginia is going to be very tight," Paul (R-KY) said. "If the Constitution Party gets four or five percent, that could be enough for the Republicans to lose."
Goode is a former six-term Congressman and state legislator.

Paul declined to call for Johnson, a former Republican New Mexico Governor, to drop out of the race.

"It's a free country," Paul said.  "We have rules on getting on to the ballot.  It's actually difficult to get on the ballot."

Paul said Romney needs to react to the third party challenges.

"If you're the nominee of the party, you need to appeal to those people who are either Libertarian or Constitutional conservatives," Paul said.  "You need to say, 'Stay in the party because I am going to be sincere about balancing the budget.  I am going to be sincere about cutting some spending.'  It's going to take some work to keep those people in the party."

Supporters of Paul's father, Texas Congressman Ron Paul (R), may need some extra convincing.  Unlike Rand Paul, the libertarian Republican has refused to endorse Romney.  The former presidential candidate was declined a speaking role at the GOP convention where the Republican National Committee stripped convention seats from some Ron Paul delegates.

Despite the rift between his father and the party, Rand Paul is calling on Ron Paul supporters to back Romney, explaining it is mutually beneficial.

"I want them to stay in the Republican Party, because I think they have more influence in the Republican Party," Rand Paul said.

"For example, if the Tea Party were to break off into its own party, I think it would have less influence and actually would just defeat the Republican candidate."

"I think if you believe in things that aren't quite what the Republicans are doing, try to pull the Republicans in your direction and I think we are winning a lot of those battles," Paul said, citing a handful of his priorities placed into the Republican platform.

"Audit the Fed is in there, setting the gold standard is in there, my bill on drones is supported in there, that you can't have drone surveillance without a warrant," Paul explained.

Paul said Democrats' dominance on the West Coast and in New England makes a Republican win "tougher and tougher" in the electoral college because "once you give up all those votes, then you got to win pretty much the rest of the country."

"That's one of the messages I've had to the national Republican party.  You know what, those areas where you are not competing?  Maybe a libertarian Republican would do better in California or New York State."

Paul complimented a "very personable" Michelle Obama's speech at the Democratic National Convention.

"I think a lot of times, it gets lost on the public that politicians are just these hardened people who don't have families," Paul said, "And so I think it was a good speech from that perspective."

In very personal terms, the First Lady's speech connected her husband's politics to her family's experience, stressing that Obama administration policies aim to help the middle class.

"I think the problem with their theme is that they think they can punish the rich to help the middle class. I think when you punish the rich, you hurt the middle class.  If you punish the rich, you hurt the poor."

Paul told WHAS11 he's ready to campaign for Mitt Romney, but the campaign has not set any specific dates.

[BUGEYE]

that cliche that says, "like father, like son" DOES NOT apply here.
Rand is trying to save this country, Ron doesn't care.

[powderman]

that cliche that says, "like father, like son" DOES NOT apply here.
Rand is trying to save this country, Ron doesn't care.

 
YEP, they don't agree on several issues. POWDERMAN. 

[blind ear]

Too bad, so sad. ear

[saddlebum]

Bet that makes for uncomfortable holidays at the folks house!
Good for Rand.........

[Graybeard]

that cliche that says, "like father, like son" DOES NOT apply here.
Rand is trying to save this country, Ron doesn't care.

Quite the opposite. Ron cares about this country and the US Constitution. Rand has sold out to the party and those who own it so he can continue to get their endorsement and funds. Any respect I once had for him is gone.

The same people who own obama owns Mitt and Rand as well. All are traitors to this nation and its Constitution. If you are fooled by Mitt and he happens to get elected you'll see he is no better than what we have now and might even prove to be worse.

[Lost Farmboy]

  I agree with Graybeard. I see no hope for America. Freedom in America has already lost the election. The wealthy people of the world that hate freedom in America easily manipulate the primaries so by the general election we have to choose between two evils that they choose for us. I do not see much difference between Romney and Obama.


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result – Albert Einstein.


The definition of insanity is choosing between two evils and expecting good. - Lost Farmboy

[Singleshotsam]

If Romney loses the election because of third party voters then it will be an obvious sign that the Republican party did not do enough to unite the party.
 

[Cuts Crooked]

If Romney loses the election because of third party voters then it will be an obvious sign that the Republican party did not do enough to unite the party.

+1!

Or that they chose the wrong candidates to be their leaders.

At any rate, I find it fascinating, when looking at polls/studies that show that the majority of Americans self identify as conservative. But when it comes time to put it too the test they consistantly vote for more liberal politicos. It would seem that self interest over rides the desire for freedom. But then, freedom can be a bit difficult to live with at times.

[Doublebass73]

Rand Paul has sold his soul.

What does it say about the Republican party when the Republican nominee is running neck and neck with the worst president in history? Look in the mirror if you want to place blame somewhere.

[lakota]

maybe this should be a wake up call for the GOP. Quit allowing garbage candidates to run for the nomination.

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[BUGEYE]

I totally understand everyones concerns about the candidates.
but what is to be said about a politician who voted to bankrupt the arms and ammo companies and wants parents stripped of their rights concerning abortions on their underage daughters.

there needs to be a lessor of "3" evils thread.

[blind ear]

If Romney loses the election because of third party voters then it will be an obvious sign that the Republican party did not do enough to unite the party.

+1!

Or that they chose the wrong candidates to be their leaders.

At any rate, I find it fascinating, when looking at polls/studies that show that the majority of Americans self identify as conservative. But when it comes time to put it too the test they consistantly vote for more liberal politicos. It would seem that self interest over rides the desire for freedom. But then, freedom can be a bit difficult to live with at times.

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+1, ear

[Doublebass73]

I totally understand everyones concerns about the candidates.
but what is to be said about a politician who voted to bankrupt the arms and ammo companies and wants parents stripped of their rights concerning abortions on their underage daughters.

there needs to be a lessor of "3" evils thread.

Are you in favor of violating the Constitution if you think it's for a good cause?

[BUGEYE]

I totally understand everyones concerns about the candidates.
but what is to be said about a politician who voted to bankrupt the arms and ammo companies and wants parents stripped of their rights concerning abortions on their underage daughters.

there needs to be a lessor of "3" evils thread.

Are you in favor of violating the Constitution if you think it's for a good cause?

it's kinda funny how some people ignore RPs voting record.
and YES, I've seen his speeches where he spouts the stuff y'all want to hear, but he's just making a propaganda film, because he's speaking to an empty house!!!

[powderman]

I liked RP til I saw him on Jay Leno. POWDERMAN. 

[blind ear]

I totally understand everyones concerns about the candidates.
but what is to be said about a politician who voted to bankrupt the arms and ammo companies and wants parents stripped of their rights concerning abortions on their underage daughters.

there needs to be a lessor of "3" evils thread.

Are you in favor of violating the Constitution if you think it's for a good cause?

it's kinda funny how some people ignore RPs voting record.
and YES, I've seen his speeches where he spouts the stuff y'all want to hear, but he's just making a propaganda film, because he's speaking to an empty house!!!

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Which votes? Look at Romney's things that he has promoted in recent campaigns and you can't tell him from Obama. Ron Paul has been consistant in protecting Americans freedoms and only voted to recover tax money for hid citizens when the money would be pissed to the wind anyway, the rest of congress would see to it.
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Ron Paul is following his old philosophy still and his ideas are to lessen government powers. What he says now is what we need and reflects what he has always said.
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The Republican party rewrote thier convention rules to where how a Republican party members vote has NO bearing as to who will be their presidential nominee. The Republican party acted illegally in picking Romney. They will pick the nominee by committie from now own.
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It is time for the citizens to do something. ear

[Doublebass73]

I totally understand everyones concerns about the candidates.
but what is to be said about a politician who voted to bankrupt the arms and ammo companies and wants parents stripped of their rights concerning abortions on their underage daughters.

there needs to be a lessor of "3" evils thread.

Are you in favor of violating the Constitution if you think it's for a good cause?

it's kinda funny how some people ignore RPs voting record.
and YES, I've seen his speeches where he spouts the stuff y'all want to hear, but he's just making a propaganda film, because he's speaking to an empty house!!!

Is that a yes or a no?

[BUGEYE]

It is time for the citizens to do something. ear

I tried.  I voted for Santorum.  because I didn't vote for RP, does that make me an Ogre?
THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS NOMINATED ROMNEY.
since Romney and hussein are the only choices, of course I'll choose Romney.

[BUGEYE]

Is that a yes or a no?

both men on the ballot are guilty of violating the constitution.  Mitt did Romney-care and husseins are too numerous to mention.
the third place candidate, while maybe he did not actually violate the constitution, sure proved himself to morally corrupt and in violation of Gods laws.
who do you think I should write-in??

[powderman]

It is time for the citizens to do something. ear

I tried.  I voted for Santorum.  because I didn't vote for RP, does that make me an Ogre?
THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS NOMINATED ROMNEY.
since Romney and hussein are the only choices, of course I'll choose Romney.

 
BUGEYE. Me too, my vote will count. POWDERMAN. 

[Doublebass73]

Is that a yes or a no?

both men on the ballot are guilty of violating the constitution.  Mitt did Romney-care and husseins are too numerous to mention.
the third place candidate, while maybe he did not actually violate the constitution, sure proved himself to morally corrupt and in violation of Gods laws.
who do you think I should write-in??

OK, so now we're getting somewhere. We've established that both candidates have violated the Constitution and RP has not.

The question is still this; do you personally think that it's OK to violate the Constitution if you feel it's for a good cause? The answer is either yes or no.

[BUGEYE]

Is that a yes or a no?

both men on the ballot are guilty of violating the constitution.  Mitt did Romney-care and husseins are too numerous to mention.
the third place candidate, while maybe he did not actually violate the constitution, sure proved himself to morally corrupt and in violation of Gods laws.
who do you think I should write-in??

OK, so now we're getting somewhere. We've established that both candidates have violated the Constitution and RP has not.

The question is still this; do you personally think that it's OK to violate the Constitution if you feel it's for a good cause? The answer is either yes or no.

NO... now who  should I write in on nov. 6th??   two have violated the constitution and RP is morally corrupt.
since I'm smart enough to know that another hussein term will totally destroy this country, I MUST vote against hussein.  Romney has changed on many  things, hussein and RP on nothing.
of the three, only hussein and RP have stolen money to pay for political favors.

[nw_hunter]

I liked RP til I saw him on Jay Leno. POWDERMAN. 

Kind of curious! Which video?
Must not be this one A question was asked why the military turnout would be low on another thread, and Ron and Jay sort of explain why on this interview with Paul. The only thing he said that a Neo-Con couldn't abide with, was him being against perpetual wars, and the two parties being pretty much the same in policy.When asked if he would vote, he said he always had, and if you read between the lines neither candidate will get his vote. Rand should have paid more attention to Dad growing up when it came to politics.

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr4R_Q6aDbQ

[BUGEYE]

Is that a yes or a no?

both men on the ballot are guilty of violating the constitution.  Mitt did Romney-care and husseins are too numerous to mention.
the third place candidate, while maybe he did not actually violate the constitution, sure proved himself to morally corrupt and in violation of Gods laws.
who do you think I should write-in??

OK, so now we're getting somewhere. We've established that both candidates have violated the Constitution and RP has not.

The question is still this; do you personally think that it's OK to violate the Constitution if you feel it's for a good cause? The answer is either yes or no.

you notice that I said "maybe".  he voted to bankrupt gun and ammo makers.  Isn't that a backdoor way to "infringe"??  probably.

[powderman]

Hunter, no, that wasn't it. In the 1 I saw a few months back he was asked about gay marriage and abortion and got standing ovations from the gays and pro death folks in the audience, they roared with approval.
 I haven't liked him since that show, and like Bugeye has said he did nothing to protect American gun makers from lawsuits. I believe senility set in a long time ago. I wish he had shut up for once and let his son Rand run.
All he's doing now is enjoying his tv time at the expense of the American people by pulling votes away from Romney, the only one with a chance to dethrone king obama. The rep party should give him the boot. He either backs the party and it's elected nominee or he doesn't.  POWDERMAN. 

[saddlebum]

I'm wondering how long people will continue to campaign for a candidate that already lost his bid for President a long time ago and has no chance of winning in a 3rd party run. Does the guy have to croak first? Life goes on, get over it and move on...............

[powderman]

I'm wondering how long people will continue to campaign for a candidate that already lost his bid for President a long time ago and has no chance of winning in a 3rd party run. Does the guy have to croak first? Life goes on, get over it and move on...............

 
SADDLEBUM. YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  In reading the lead line my first impulse was to say.."he's smarter than his father".  However, that would be unfair to his father, Ron.  As far as I know, Ron has not instructed anyone to do their best to hand the election to the worst president ever.
  If that is true..then both are smarter than some of the Paulistas.
 
  It is so tiring to hear the uninformed say, "there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans".  It is indeed diffi cult to understand just how anyone outside the obama supporters could be so much in the dark.
  Here is a list the Republicans have made concerning the programs they want to shut down.  Is anyone here so uninformed that they would ever dream that the Democrats would back just 1/10th of these moves?  If you do..get real!
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 Home • Ask FactCheck • About Those ‘Republican Cuts’   About Those ‘Republican Cuts’ Posted on August 28, 2012     Q: Would a “list of Republican budget cuts” by the “new Republican House” slash $2.5 trillion from federal spending over 10 years?
A: The list is real. But so far, there has been no action on the bill, which was sponsored by 33 conservative GOP House members.
FULL QUESTION
Any truth(s) in this forward?
 

List of Republican Budget Cuts, WOW
Notice Soc.Sec. and the Military are NOT on this list.
These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting. Read to the end.
>⬐ Click to expand/collapse the full text ⬏
 
* Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy — $445 million annual savings.
* Save America’s Treasures Program — $25 million annual savings.
* International Fund for Ireland — $17 million annual savings.
* Legal Services Corporation — $420 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Arts — $167.5 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Humanities — $167.5 million annual savings.
* Hope VI Program — $250 million annual savings.
* Amtrak Subsidies — $1.565 billion annual savings.
* Eliminate duplicative education programs — H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
* U.S. Trade Development Agency — $55 million annual savings.
* Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy — $20 million annual savings.
* Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding — $47 million annual savings.
* John C. Stennis Center Subsidy — $430,000 annual savings.
* Community Development Fund — $4.5 billion annual savings.
* Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid — $24 million annual savings.
* Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half — $7.5 billion annual savings
* Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20% — $600 million annual savings.
* Essential Air Service — $150 million annual savings.
* Technology Innovation Program — $70 million annual savings.
* Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program — $125 million annual savings.
* Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization — $530 million annual savings.
* Beach Replenishment — $95 million annual savings.
* New Starts Transit — $2 billion annual savings.
* Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts — $9 million annual savings
* Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants — $2.5 billion annual savings.
* Title X Family Planning — $318 million annual savings.
* Appalachian Regional Commission — $76 million annual savings.
* Economic Development Administration — $293 million annual savings.
* Programs under the National and Community Services Act — $1.15 billion annual savings.
* Applied Research at Department of Energy — $1.27 billion annual savings.
* Freedom CAR and Fuel Partnership — $200 million annual savings.
* Energy Star Program — $52 million annual savings.
* Economic Assistance to Egypt — $250 million annually.
* U.S. Agency for International Development — $1.39 billion annual savings.
* General Assistance to District of Columbia — $210 million annual savings.
* Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority — $150 million annual savings.
* Presidential Campaign Fund — $775 million savings over ten years.
* No funding for federal office space acquisition — $864 million annual savings.
* End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
* Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act — More than $1 billion annually.
* IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget — $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
* Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees — $1 billion total savings. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ABOUT?
* Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees — $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
* Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of — $15 billion total savings.
* Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress. WHAT???
* Eliminate Mohair Subsidies — $1 million annual savings.
* Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — $12.5 million annual savings WELL ISN’T THAT SPECIAL
* Eliminate Market Access Program — $200 million annual savings.
* USDA Sugar Program — $14 million annual savings.
* Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) — $93 million annual savings.
* Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program — $56.2 million annual savings.
* Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs — $900 million savings.
* Ready to Learn TV Program — $27 million savings.. WHY??
* HUD Ph.D. Program.
* Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
* TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years
My question is, what is all this doing in the budget in the first place?
Send to everyone you
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You may have noticed the list has been examined by "Fact Check" and found to be genuine.  They dispute the actual savings but not the actual list.  If elected, can they get everything through?  It depends upon how many members of congress come in with them..
 
    In any case, if you can still say the Reps and Dems are the same..better check your sources of information...

[Doublebass73]

Is that a yes or a no?

both men on the ballot are guilty of violating the constitution.  Mitt did Romney-care and husseins are too numerous to mention.
the third place candidate, while maybe he did not actually violate the constitution, sure proved himself to morally corrupt and in violation of Gods laws.
who do you think I should write-in??

OK, so now we're getting somewhere. We've established that both candidates have violated the Constitution and RP has not.

The question is still this; do you personally think that it's OK to violate the Constitution if you feel it's for a good cause? The answer is either yes or no.

you notice that I said "maybe".  he voted to bankrupt gun and ammo makers.  Isn't that a backdoor way to "infringe"??  probably.

I didn't ask you about what RP thinks, I asked the question to you personally. Do you, Bugeye personally think that it's OK to violate the Constitution if you believe it's for a good cause?