Thumper said:
Read the Declaration of Independence and Constitution? I have several times. I can still recite the preamble from memory. As I said there is only one document better, the Bible,
Do you understand that the point being made earlier is the oldest and longest of the Constitutional arguments and the two sides of where our current parties actually originated?
The original fight for Democrats and Republicans wasn't liberal vs conservative or even big government vs smaller government. Plain and simple it was how much power the Constitution gave the federal government and what is reserved for the state.
The primary problem with both documents is people are watering both down or picking and choosing what applies to who.
If you mean the two major parties, this is true.However, sitting and whining about it isn't going to do anything and refusing to vote is totally contradictory to why those documents were written.
I haven't seen anyone suggest giving up voting overall.Calling out the faults of those that would govern, is not whining.Voting for someone else on the ballot, other than the establishment select, is exactly what the Constitution is about. If you want to go pout and vote for someone who has no chance of winning by all means do so. I believe in your right and will fight for your right to do so.
Again! your using words like pout, and whine, when the words should be......protesting, and (Exhibit) Displeasure. But just like my kids and the movies you've only got two real options that may come true. You can push for the third all you want but reality is reality. Casting a vote for Ron Paul and thinking he has any chance to win is nothing but deluding yourself and handing an extra vote to the more liberal party.
It's really not about Paul! Those of us, that truly love freedom, know Paul was fighting an uphill battle from the start.What Paul did was awaken (SOME) people, that were unaware of the two parties actually being only one big snake, with the desire to enslave us, along with the rest of the world.
Neither party has respected the Constitution for many, many years.You cannot have a winner with either Mitt or Obama. To think so is........Delusional!Do I like Romney? Absolutely not.
Do I trust him? Of course not.
Does he scare me less than Obama? You bet your britches.
He should scare you even more!His side establishes draconian departments like the DHS, and invades sovereign nations at the drop of a hat.The other side just goes along with the Neo-cons war operations and works on using the set up Agencies like the DHS, FEMA and others to strip a few more freedoms from us. If I thought voting for Fred Flinstone would keep those two out of office, I'd do it.
He wouldn't win, but he would be a much better choice 
Since I'm back on my soapbox I'll throw this out. It is a very irresponsible and childish to know as an adult with obligations to look at a situation that only has certain possible outcomes and hold your breath for something different.
That is why freedom loving people never hold their breaths and are very vocal about getting the word out. It works! More and more are seeing the folly of voting for these establishment figureheads.How many times have we said that balancing the budget is simple, don't spend more than you make?
No argument there!And now folks are wanting to spend political currency they don't have.
Do you think you are going to fix all the constitutional issues by refusing to vote for Romney?
By voting for neither is a good start.If you truly care that much, get off your butt and run for office because no one on this forum is arguing that they haven't violated our constitution.
You are assuming no one on this forum has ever ran for public office, or campaigned for someone who has? But that started long ago. I never had my true 2nd amendment rights. They were gone before I was born.
Again common ground! They have been chipping away at them for a long time.So have I read it. Yeah and I live it. I don't think my view is the only allowed one. Only thing on this forum that gets me wrapped around the axle is if you are contemptuous of my country or try to step on MY rights while I'm defending yours. So many people forget that. The fact that the constitution applies on both sides of the aisle.
I think you confuse being contemptuous of the Government as the same as country.I believe in our constitution and the system it established. I get sick and tired of people who abuse it and the others who put it down. I get sick of people who whine about losing their rights and are too lazy to write their representatives "because it won't matter anyway."
Probably most people on the forum write and email their reps. I know I do.......Often.Dang it. Someone here get off your butt and run for office during the next election.
It reminds me of folks that were so shocked because someone called the state police on some over zealous local LEOs and the state actually did something about it.
Things don't change unless someone changes them.
Right you are! As long as we keep electing the same old two party favorites, nothing will change for the good.Ron Paul is unelectable. Work to find someone with the same message who has a chance.
I don't think Paul will run as a third party candidate, but the Libertarian, and Constitution party will be represented on most ballots.One of them will get my vote, and I will have exercised my right to vote, and will feel good with my decision. By the way! Welcome to the forum.
