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Judge orders Fort Hood suspect be clean-shaven  Published September 06, 2012
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  •    Nidal Hasan is charged with killing 13 people and wounding 31 in a November 2009 shooting spree at Fort Hood. (HANDOUT/Reuters)
  FORT HOOD, Texas –  The Army psychiatrist charged in the 2009 Fort Hood shooting rampage must be clean-shaven or will be forcibly shaved before his murder trial, a military judge ordered Thursday.
 
Col. Gregory Gross issued the official order after a hearing to determine whether a federal religious freedom law applied to Hasan's case, and triggered another delay in all proceedings related to Hasan's trial because his attorneys plan to appeal.
 
Beards are a violation of Army regulations, and soldiers who disobey orders to get rid of facial hair can be shaved against their will. Gross repeatedly has said Hasan's beard, which he started growing in jail this summer, is a disruption to the court proceedings.
 
Hasan told the judge last week that he grew a beard because his Muslim faith requires it, not as a show of disrespect. Gross ruled Thursday that the defense didn't prove Hasan is growing a beard for sincere religious reasons.
 
Gross had found Hasan in contempt of court at six previous pretrial hearings because he was not clean-shaven, then sent him to a nearby trailer to watch the proceedings on a closed-circuit television. But the judge allowed Hasan to remain in the courtroom for Thursday's hearing.
 
Hasan, 41, is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder in the November 2009 attack on the Texas Army post.
 
Hasan previously appealed after Gross said he would order him to be shaved if he did not get rid of the beard himself before the trial. Gross said he wants Hasan in the courtroom during the court-martial to prevent a possible appeal on the issue if he is convicted.
 
The Army has specific guidelines on forced shaving. A team of five military police officers restrains the inmate "with the reasonable force necessary," and a medical professional is on hand in case of injuries. The shaving must be done with electric clippers and must be videotaped, according to Army rules.
 
Last week the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces ruled Hasan's earlier appeal was premature because Gross has not issued a definitive order. But the court said that when Gross issued the official order, Hasan would be able to take his case to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals.

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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 11:22:36 AM »
It's about time....the murderer follower [of the cult of the rapist pedophile] should be restrained for his razor date.   I hope the MPs have a dinner of greasy pork chops before the event.

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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 01:11:08 PM »
He's gonna appeal the rulin. He'll beat the judge on it.
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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 01:22:39 PM »
did he have a beard t the time of the shooting


if  not......then his claim to reliion  is fraudulent


how can the witnesses identify him if allowed to wear a ''disguise'' to court
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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 01:26:14 PM »
Better still 45-70.gov. Why is he still suckin American air? He should be in a hole by now, or on a rope.
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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 01:51:04 PM »
Better still 45-70.gov. Why is he still suckin American air? He should be in a hole by now, or on a rope.

 
DEE. AMEN to that. Send him to meet his 72 VIRGINIANS. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 02:02:56 PM »
if i'm right about this,
he was a military member on a
military base following military
protocol up until he committed
his deed.
so, he's being tried in military
court with military rules as a
member of the military.


i'd have to say hold him down with
as many m.p.'s as it takes to get
him shaved. if 5 men can't do it,
keep adding men until he is shaved.
or use pepper spray, or a taser, or
hospital-type restraints- what ever it
takes. i'd have not let this much time go
by, i'd have called in the m.p.'s to get it
done the first time he showed up in court all
ragtag lookin' and out of uniform. >:(
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 02:07:28 PM »
How about a hammer and a pocket knife?
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 02:19:59 PM »
that'd work- the hammer to calm
him down and the pocketknife
for the rest.
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 02:21:49 PM »
Better still 45-70.gov. Why is he still suckin American air? He should be in a hole by now, or on a rope.

DEE. AMEN to that. Send him to meet his 72 VIRGINIANS. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
WWJD? Or say?


I'll bet it wouldn't be 'amen' right here, but I could just be wrong...
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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 03:40:01 PM »
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WWJD? Or say?


I'll bet it wouldn't be 'amen' right here, but I could just be wrong...

It might not be to long before he finds out WWJD

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 04:40:29 PM »
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WWJD? Or say?


I'll bet it wouldn't be 'amen' right here, but I could just be wrong...

It might not be to long before he finds out WWJD

 
WE can only hope. He should have been dirt by now. If he wasn't a muslim he'd of already been shaved and on trial. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 05:02:12 PM »
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WWJD? Or say?


I'll bet it wouldn't be 'amen' right here, but I could just be wrong...

It might not be to long before he finds out WWJD

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 05:27:07 PM »
Hasan is an officer in the United States Army even if he is incarcerated. What is the problem with forcing him to follow the same rules that everyone else in the United States Army are forced to follow? Why do certain folks always jump to his defense? Should he get a pass on the dress code for some reason? Is he entitled to special treatment for some reason? The rules say no beards...for anyone. If he needed to grow a beard he should not have joined the Army. The solution is pretty clear he volunteered to join an all volunteer military now its time to follow military rules shave or be shaved by force.

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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 05:32:12 PM »
LAKOTA. Muslims always support other muslims. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2012, 02:26:58 AM »
WWJD?
Well he wouldn't have attacked a chow hall full of people with murderous intent.
He would have fashioned a whip and drove thieves out of the temple.
Jesus allowed Himself to be tried in mans courts for the purpose of our salvation.
 
Hassan entered the military as a Muslim and agreed to follow a certain set of laws and rules. One being a standard of dress and uniform. Now it is convenient for him to drop that?
 
I do not care what his religious beliefs are. Had he been a Christian, Jew, Buddist matters nothing to me. Hassan a member of the US ARMY took a weapon and killed his brothers and sisters in uniform. Hassan shouted Allah Akbar just before shooting drawing his religion into this. As a member of the US Army he is expected to follow certain procedures for his court martial. He agreed to them upon his entering the US Army. His religious beliefs had nothing to do with that unless his religion allows him to lie and murder.
 

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2012, 02:37:53 AM »
Here! Here! Shu! You sir are out of order. You are using "facts" here where "facts" are not welcome. Facts are discussion killers for folks that live in "fantasy land America" where folks are innocent until proven guilty, even if their shootin at ya. "Facts" destroy "illogical logic" of the perpetrator (that rimes with traitor) not being required to go by the rules, but the victims must go by the rules
But the real question should be: How could a person "claiming Jesus" be in support of someone whom cold bloodedly killed unarmed innocents they were supposed to be helping?
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2012, 03:07:22 AM »
Better still 45-70.gov. Why is he still suckin American air? He should be in a hole by now, or on a rope.

DEE. AMEN to that. Send him to meet his 72 VIRGINIANS. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
WWJD? Or say?


I'll bet it wouldn't be 'amen' right here, but I could just be wrong...
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  I suspect he would handle this demon..just as he handled a legion" of them which were inhabiting the Gadarene demoniac..in (Mark 5):
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      My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.”  And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside.  The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.”  He gave them permission, and the evil spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.
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  Perhaps Nidal would end up inside a pig...  that would only be fitting..
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2012, 04:02:20 AM »
SHU. Good post Sir and true. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2012, 04:12:15 AM »
  Just as Shu said..he entered the Army, agreeing to their UCMJ and dress/conduct codes.  Obviously he lived a lie..now let him liv eout that lie...for as long as he lives..
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2012, 09:15:42 AM »
Hasan is an officer in the United States Army even if he is incarcerated. What is the problem with forcing him to follow the same rules that everyone else in the United States Army are forced to follow? Why do certain folks always jump to his defense? Should he get a pass on the dress code for some reason? Is he entitled to special treatment for some reason? The rules say no beards...for anyone. If he needed to grow a beard he should not have joined the Army. The solution is pretty clear he volunteered to join an all volunteer military now its time to follow military rules shave or be shaved by force.

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He agreed to serve, and swore an oath, this included all rules of the military.  He enjoyed the benefits, now he has to take the punishments.

Maybe we should remind Hasan what happens to mutineers.  This sort of behavior was punished swiftly and drastically in India after "The Indian Mutiny - Sepoy Rebellion".  Since the mutineers were members of the British Colonial Army, and subject to their rules.  The British punished the mutineer by condemning  them to be literally tied to the mouth of a cannon, and blasted. 
Guess there would be no women for them.
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2012, 10:46:53 AM »
why are we talking about this


those that have  him in custody  should not feed him till he shaves


then  toss  him a pork sandwich


or  feed  him nothing but pork  til he shaves..


then kill him  shaved with a belly full of pig


in  his mind  he will go out condemed to eternity
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2012, 11:07:15 AM »
Dee,
Sorry about bringing Army regulations into this and trying to use a small amount of facts or logic. I'll try to keep that from happening again.
 
Hassan should just simply be tried and we should abide by the outcome. His delaying tactics are nothing more than a psycological game that must be dealt with before the real trial can start. Army Regs (I know here I go again) require 5 MPs to use and electic razor with a doctor standing by. The procedure must be filmed to ensure he wasn't beaten or excessive force being used. The delaying tactics are just an expense the US govt will have to pay and patience is what we have to have.

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2012, 03:37:20 PM »
Army Regs (I know here I go again) require 5 MPs to use and electic razor with a doctor standing by. The procedure must be filmed to ensure he wasn't beaten or excessive force being used. The delaying tactics are just an expense the US govt will have to pay and patience is what we have to have.
Those regs are bad news for some of the Christians here, hoping for a dull razor & pig fat, along with a little blood. Oh well.
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2012, 03:52:51 PM »
Well Shu, I still say my suggestion of a hammer and pocket knife are viable options, and tie up less man power. I mean hey. The guys in a wheel chair, how much trouble could he be?
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2012, 03:57:03 PM »
Well Shu, I still say my suggestion of a hammer and pocket knife are viable options, and tie up less man power. I mean hey. The guys in a wheel chair, how much trouble could he be?
Prob not too much trouble for a couple of knife-wielding Christians bent on a little jihad against a man in a wheelchair...
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2012, 04:46:41 PM »
I wonder how that wheel chair does in a muddy hog  pen? It would be a hoot to tease him with a baby pig when he couldn't get away. Kinda like chasen a little girl with a bug when we were kids.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2012, 05:09:21 PM »
I wonder how that wheel chair does in a muddy hog  pen? It would be a hoot to tease him with a baby pig when he couldn't get away. Kinda like chasen a little girl with a bug when we were kids.

 
DEE. I like your style, just don't let him touch the pig and contaminate it. Don't punish the pig, the 4 legged one I mean. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2012, 02:05:26 AM »
I am of course being sarcastic for the sake of liberals, but to defend a man that was put into a position of trust, however foolish that was, is beyond me. I think of the 13 dead, whom left behind children without fathers, or mothers, wives, husbands, sons and daughters.
I have no sympathy for his being in a wheel chair, because had the shot not been fired that put him in that wheel chair, he would have killed many more. He was pulling the trigger, and shouting Allah Akbar while doing so.
What does it take for the liberal to see? Would it be more plain to them if he had been in the school yard where THEIR CHILDREN were playing, and would it be more plain if they saw his face on TV after THEY buried THEIR dead?
There is no doubt here as to guilt. The evidence of "carnage", the dead, the wounded, the dozens of witnesses. And now he grows a beard in honor of his religion? Was he an infiltrator all along, and the clean shave of the military a mere disguise? I would say that is a possibility.
The WWJD is so lame, and so immature, to the facts of the reality, that it is ridiculous, and deserves no response to them directly, who ask it. It exhibits a real lack of understanding on the asker's part, of what Jesus WOULD DO, when Christ is thrown around so loosely, by such folks.
This Hasan is a traitor, and should be hung as a traitor. Anyone supporting him, or agreeing with him, or defending his rights, can hang with him for all I am concerned. Given the amount of evidence against him, there is no doubt here, and any thoughts of justification, are in my mind traitorous.
WWJD? Some ask. Read about the 7 days when Israel was overwhelmingly out numbered, and JESUS (GOD) stepped in, and a defeat was delivered so soundly against the enemy that it changed geography.

Read about the heat mirage of many more tanks that the enemy saw, and surrender to a vastly inferior tank brigade. Read where radio communications mysteriously broke  and allowed Israeli tanks to roll directly into an Iraqi tank brigade whom thought they were their own.
WWJD indeed. He would perform miracles to save Israel against a MUSLIM FORCE far superior to Israel whom were bent on Israeli destruction.
Some here need to understand what their talking about "before", they start trying to use the Christian Cross on it's own.
Hasan is a dog of war, and that dog needs to be put down, for the "moral judgement" of an immoral act committed in the name of a "false god" against America, and her defenders.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

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Re: Judge orders murderer to shave himself, or 5 men will do it for you.
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2012, 02:13:41 AM »
This Hasan is a traitor, and should be hung as a traitor.
perhaps you can volunteer to do the hanging, and dispose of the body afterward. yo might get lucky...
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Anyone supporting him, or agreeing with him, or defending his rights, can hang with him for all I am concerned.
You want to string up his counsel, just to make sure everyone gets the message?


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WWJD?
I know, it's an inconvenient question when wishing harm upon someone... I'll not ask it of you again. Here's a better principal: if you can't ask God to bless what you're doing, maybe you should not do it.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.