Hangfires with triple seven powder

[mardrobe]

I use a CVA Wolf muzzleloader.  In the past I used Triple Seven pellets without problem.  I switched to loose powder due to Colorado's hunting regulations and am now experience slight delays between pulling the trigger and powder ignition on some shots.  Also on one shot I had to use a second primer to fire the shot.  How can I prevent or minimize this problem?

[Ranger99]

excuse my ignorance of inlines
(isn't that an inline?)
it would seem like an inline with
a primer wouldn't misfire ever.


are your primers fresh?
has the powder been open to
the dampness or something?
if the flash channel is clear, there
should be instant ignition.
(i would think)
if it's do-able on that gun, you
may have to take a page from
the past and try a nipple pick of
sorts to poke through and make
sure the channel is clear.


good luck

[mardrobe]

I have cleaned it including using a pick on the breach plug and bought new primers as the ones I was using were several years old, but have not had a chance to shoot it again.

[r29l20]

Barrel, breech plug, free of any oil or solvents, including plain water. Fresh dry powder. Make sure your not getting light primer strikes Clean flash channel and flash hole. If your primers are going of right away, that's not the problem.

[srussell]

if it shot pellets OK then you should have no problems with loose powder

[uno676]

I live in Co and have used 777 for years the only time I had a problem was when I used Remington primers in my opinion they are junk. I recommend CCI primers.


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[OldSchoolRanger]

I use a CVA Wolf muzzleloader.  In the past I used Triple Seven pellets without problem.  I switched to loose powder due to Colorado's hunting regulations and am now experience slight delays between pulling the trigger and powder ignition on some shots.  Also on one shot I had to use a second primer to fire the shot.  How can I prevent or minimize this problem?

mardrobe - Do you have the older Wolf?  I heard that the newer Wolfs now have a different breech plug, which was redesigned to handle loose BH209 powder.  Changing the breech plug to the newer version, might be a better solution to your problem.

Barrel, breech plug, free of any oil or solvents, including plain water. Fresh dry powder. Make sure your not getting light primer strikes Clean flash channel and flash hole. If your primers are going of right away, that's not the problem.

r29l20's recommendations are all valid, but I have a feeling that either moisture got into your powder, maybe the 777 bottle wasn't sealed tight? 

If using new powder isn't the problem, it may be as simple as, after you finish cleaning the breech plug and reinstall it with your anti-seize cream, that the anti-seize cream may be blocking the breech plug channel.  You do fire two primers before, you load the gun to make sure the channel is clear, don't you?

[Buckskins & Black Powder]

your breech plugs flash channel is probably clogged up. Use a 3mm or #32 drill bit and with your fingers, spin the drill bit and let it cut the carbon out of the flash channel.

[omegahunter]

It definitely should not be the powder's fault unless the powder got contaminated somehow.  I use 777 in my Renegade with #10 caps without any hangfires at all.

[buzzy]

 This happened to me after a good cleaning as there was moisture
  left in the breech from the cleaning.
 

[bubbinator]

Maybe need to find some new patches-sorry, couldn't resist. I got somr Triple 7 powder and pellets from a neighbor whose brother passed and had no problems at all in my T/C Impact with Rem 209s(got them too) or the Winchesters I bought. I clean religiously, including a pick/pipe cleaner thru the plug.

[fast*eddie]

Triple 7 is the only powder I have ever used in my NEF Huntsman in-line . Never experienced any misfires .

[OldSchoolRanger]

 This happened to me after a good cleaning as there was moisture
  left in the breech from the cleaning.
 

If you used soap and water to clean up, the water probably wasn't hot enough.  You have to use boiling hot water.  The hot water from the sink just isn't hot enough, and usually leaves moisture in the barrel and breech.  Boiling hot water will evaporate off the metal, after cleaning. 

[Jim_Ole_Timer]

Clean your breech plug hole with a welders tip cleaner and look through it to see its not obstructed, then but some magnum primers. That should take care of it, if not then you have contaminated your primers from solvents left in your rifle, or from laying around your shop.  CCI-M or Federal 209A are the best primers.