Author Topic: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.  (Read 533 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« on: September 07, 2012, 04:58:01 AM »
http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsFxhriqSzAFV0W32oEip6abvZx4;_ylc=X3oDMTk3ZXIxbjFqBF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEYQMxMjA5MDYgc2hpbmUgc3BhbmtpbmcgYmFuIHQEY2NvZGUDb25saW5lBGNwb3MDMzkEZWQDMQRnA2lkLTI2MzEyODcEaW50bAN1cwRpdGMDMARsdHh0A0NvdW50cnl0b2JhbnNwYW5raW5nPwRtY29kZQNvbmxpbmUEbXBvcwMxBHBrZ3QDMQRwa2d2AzYEcG9zAzAEc2VjA3RkLWZlYQRzbGsDdGh1bWJsaW5rBHRhcgNodHRwOi8vc2hpbmUueWFob28uY29tL3BhcmVudGluZy9jYW5hZGlhbi1leHBlcnRzLWNhbGwtbmF0aW9ud2lkZS1iYW4tc3BhbmtpbmctMTgwMjAwMzkyLmh0bWwEdGVzdAM1MjE-/SIG=13h34f8tf/EXP=1347116293/**http%3A//shine.yahoo.com/parenting/canadian-experts-call-nationwide-ban-spanking-180200392.html
 
 
 Canadian Experts Call for Nationwide Ban on SpankingBy Sarah B. Weir, Yahoo! blogger | Team Mom – 20 hours ago   Canada's top medical journal has called for the repeal of the country's 120-year-old "spanking law," which allows corporal punishment. In a strongly worded editorial published on September 4, John Fletcher, the editor-in-chief of the Canadian Medical Association Journal (CMAJ), called physical punishment an "anachronistic excuse for poor parenting." The editorial accompanies a meta-analysis of 20 years of research about the ill effects of spanking, conducted by Joan Durant PhD of the University of Manitoba, first published in February and reprinted in the current volume of the CMAJ.
Related: Spanking, Hitting Kids in Public Surprisingly Common
 
An estimated fifty percent of Canadian parents spank their children, and Canada, like the United States, protects parents' right to physically discipline kids. Section 43 of the Canadian Criminal Code states, "A parent is justified in using force by way of correction…if the force does not exceed what is reasonable under the circumstances." Worldwide, more than 30 countries prohibit corporal punishment in the home including Austria, New Zealand, and Sweden.
Related: Daughter "Begged" For Spanking Instead of Mom's Web Photo
 
Fletcher and Durant argue that current research shows spanking is an ineffective tool and that there is substantial evidence linking it to mental health issues including depression and substance abuse as well as to increased aggressive behavior. "Surely any bias should be toward protecting children, who are the most vulnerable," writes Fletcher. "To have a specific code excusing parents is to suggest that assault by a parent is a normal and accepted part of bringing up children. It is not. While section 43 stands, it is a constant excuse for parents to cling to an ineffective method of child discipline when better approaches are available."
Spanking is a controversial issue in Canada, and Section 43 has been contested a number of times. Most recently, in 2004, the Supreme Court upheld it in a 6-3 ruling. A United Nations panel on children's rights has called on the country to repeal the law. In response to the CMAJ, a spokesperson for Minister of Justice Rob Nicholson told the National Post, "Parents are in the best position to raise their children. We believe it is up to them, not the government, to decide what is best for their children so long as it is within reason."
 
Spanking is also a hotly contested topic in the United States. While more than 70 percent of mothers admit to having hit their kids at least once, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) discourages the practice. A July report by the Journal Pediatrics, which backs up the CMAJ's findings, concluded, "Harsh physical punishment in the absence of child maltreatment is associated with mood disorders, anxiety disorders, substance abuse/dependence, and personality disorders in a general population sample."
 
In his editorial, Fletcher asserts that, "Parents need to be re-educated as to how to discipline their children." Durant, who is also the author of popular free online parenting guide, 'Positive Discipline,' says she hopes doctors will look at spanking as a medical issue and do more to advise parents on alternatives. "If we had two or three studies that showed that if you took 500 mg of vitamin C a day you could reduce cancer risk," she said in a statement emphasizing the preponderance of scientific research on the negative effects of physical punishment, "we would all be taking 500 mg of vitamin C a day."
 
Would you support a United States ban on spanking? Please let us know in the comments below.
Also on Shine:
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

Offline m-g Willy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1739
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 05:21:50 AM »
Outlaw spanking.
Make the parents accountable to the government.
Let the kids know the government is there to protect them from their parents.
And above all , teach the kids that their loyalty is to the state and not the family.
Never question or go against the state, and turn in anyone that would say anything against the state as the traitors they are.
Yep, that's a good start to a better country .....if you're Hitler!!
 
 

Offline Conan The Librarian

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4494
  • McDonalds. Blecch!
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 06:10:13 AM »
The experts may be right, but may also be missing something. One of the few times I spanked my son was when he ran out into the street as a little boy. We had told him to stay off the street, and showed him where in the yard he could play safely. We told him about cars and how dangerous they are. He was about 3 years old. One day he ran after a ball and dashed into the street when a car was coming, and fortunately the driver stopped in plenty of time. I was running after the boy and grabbed him, lifted him away from the road and spanked him a few times and yelled at him to stay off the road. He never did that again.
 
Had we been more permissive, who knows what would have happened eventually. Perhaps it would have been like my childhood friend who dashed into the road and didn't fare as well.
 
This is an example of how one thing is determined to be  bad, without taking into consideration the negative possibilities when that thing is absent.
 
Some people don't know the difference between right and wrong, and it a consequence of their upbringing. We pay a lot to deal with some of those people who go from being a kid that doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, to being an adult who still doesn't know the difference but is relabeled as a sociopath and a criminal.

Offline Sourdough

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8150
  • Gender: Male
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 07:25:59 AM »
I believe in spanking, always have and always will. 

I say this having grown up in a home with an abusive mother that got carried away and beat my brothers and me with what ever she could get her hands on.  I suffered many concussions and broken bones due to her abuse.  But just because she got carried away is no reason to say everyone will be like that.  I raised my two boys using an occasional swat on the behind when they did something they knew they were not supposed to do.  I smacked their hands when they reached for something they were not supposed to touch.  Lack of disapline is one of the reasons we have so many problems with the young people of today.
Where is old Joe when we really need him?  Alaska Independence    Calling Illegal Immigrants "Undocumented Aliens" is like calling Drug Dealers "Unlicensed Pharmacists"
What Is A Veteran?
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve -- is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.' That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today who no longer understand that fact.

Offline Shu

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1484
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 11:23:41 AM »
Spanking is not child abuse. Sometimes you have to re inforce training. There is a huge difference between spanking and abuse. A parent that does not discipline their child does not love them. Discipline includes spanking, grounding, taking away privileges, spirited discussions (also known as yelling) and of course rewards for good behavior. Love and hugs go along way but sometimes you do have to spank to save a life.

Offline OldSchoolRanger

  • Trade Count: (60)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2742
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 03:46:38 PM »
There's an old saying: "Spare the rod, spoil the child."

There was a reason for the saying.  As long as spanking is not excessive to the point of serious injury, I feel there is a place for it in raising children.  Otherwise, like m-g Willy, Sourdough, Conan, and Shu stated, you have undisciplined children who grow up to feel any thing they do is right.
"You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts." - Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

When you allow a lie to go unchallenged, it becomes the truth.

My quandary, I personally, don't think I have enough Handi's but, I know I have more Handi's than I really need or should have.

Offline Victor3

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (22)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4241
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 12:38:49 AM »
The experts may be right, but may also be missing something. One of the few times I spanked my son was when he ran out into the street as a little boy. We had told him to stay off the street, and showed him where in the yard he could play safely. We told him about cars and how dangerous they are. He was about 3 years old. One day he ran after a ball and dashed into the street when a car was coming, and fortunately the driver stopped in plenty of time. I was running after the boy and grabbed him, lifted him away from the road and spanked him a few times and yelled at him to stay off the road. He never did that again.
 
Had we been more permissive, who knows what would have happened eventually. Perhaps it would have been like my childhood friend who dashed into the road and didn't fare as well.
 
This is an example of how one thing is determined to be  bad, without taking into consideration the negative possibilities when that thing is absent.
 
Some people don't know the difference between right and wrong, and it a consequence of their upbringing. We pay a lot to deal with some of those people who go from being a kid that doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, to being an adult who still doesn't know the difference but is relabeled as a sociopath and a criminal.

 Well said.  ;)
 
 When my Son was ~4 he would disobey when we told him "don't touch," whenever he thought we weren't looking. One day I'd started the BBQ and told him not to touch it. Then I went inside and hid behind the back door to see what he'd do. Sure enough, he looked around, reached out with one finger and touched it, then ran in wimpering and said "my finger is hot daddy!"
 
 "Hmmm... How'd your finger get hot?" He fell apart and confessed.
 
 Problem solved, and it didn't even blister.  :)
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly, one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

Sherlock Holmes

Offline m-g Willy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1739
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 04:22:54 AM »
[

 

 
 When my Son was ~4 he would disobey when we told him "don't touch," whenever he thought we weren't looking. One day I'd started the BBQ and told him not to touch it. Then I went inside and hid behind the back door to see what he'd do. Sure enough, he looked around, reached out with one finger and touched it, then ran in wimpering and said "my finger is hot daddy!"
 
 "Hmmm... How'd your finger get hot?" He fell apart and confessed.
 
 Problem solved, and it didn't even blister.  :)

 
One of the first things my kids learned was "NO" .
And at times I would tell them the reason for the "no" command.
When it came to the stove I would tell them to stay away because it was hot.
Then I would show them by letting them get close enough to feel the heat while saying "HOT"
This way they knew that it was something that could hurt them if they got to close.
But I did this when they were as young as 2 years old.
Other times if told "NO" and they ignored me, they were greated with a swift swat across the butt.
But I would NEVER sit back and watch any of them get burnt (even if it didn't blister)
I just hope you change your parenting tactics before you try teaching your son about guns.
People learn from their mistakes,,, but the wise man learns from other people before making a mistake.
Don't make your kid learn everything the hard way.
 
 
 
 
 

Offline Shu

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1484
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2012, 05:31:59 AM »
I have told my children not to touch something hot and being curious they did it anyway. They only did that once.
Teaching them about guns was easy, I took a bunch of soda bottles filled them with water. We went out for a nice shooting session. They got to see the destructive power of a gun. I let them shoot taught them how make sure they were empty and told them anytime you want to go shooting or look at guns let me know. If you ever touch one without my saying it's ok I'll spank you with my belt. We have enjoyed many years shooting and now they own their own.

Offline Victor3

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (22)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4241
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 11:07:31 AM »
.... I did this when they were as young as 2 years old.
Other times if told "NO" and they ignored me, they were greated with a swift swat across the butt.
But I would NEVER sit back and watch any of them get burnt (even if it didn't blister)
I just hope you change your parenting tactics before you try teaching your son about guns.
People learn from their mistakes,,, but the wise man learns from other people before making a mistake.
Don't make your kid learn everything the hard way.

 Your spanking of a 2 year old is 10x more likely to cause a serious injury than a tiny pink spot on a fingertip.  ::)
 My Son learned this lesson the easy way. It was instantaneous and highly effective (BTW, he owns several of his own guns now  ;) ).
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly, one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

Sherlock Holmes

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 11:43:59 AM »
I have told my children not to touch something hot and being curious they did it anyway. They only did that once.
Teaching them about guns was easy, I took a bunch of soda bottles filled them with water. We went out for a nice shooting session. They got to see the destructive power of a gun. I let them shoot taught them how make sure they were empty and told them anytime you want to go shooting or look at guns let me know. If you ever touch one without my saying it's ok I'll spank you with my belt. We have enjoyed many years shooting and now they own their own.

 
SHU. My kids learned exactly the same way. Seeing those btls of water explode impressed them a lot. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

Offline BBF

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10042
  • Gender: Male
  • I feel much better now knowing it will get worse.
Re: Canadian EXPERTS call for national ban on spanking.
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2012, 07:29:06 AM »
..........
...................Yep, that's a good start to a better country .....if you're Hitler!!

 That is just the Dude who believed in permissive parenting. ::) ::)
 
Now if you had said Dr. Spock you'd be right on.
What is the point of Life if you can't have fun.