Author Topic: Rifle for Hog defense (Read 11482 times)

Swampman · « **Reply #30 on:** September 10, 2012, 11:42:47 AM »

I see no reason anyne would need to defend themselves from hogs. They might run into you by accident but they aren't dangerous or looking for a fight.

mechanic · « **Reply #31 on:** September 10, 2012, 02:15:01 PM »

Swampi, I've got to call you on this one. I've had domesticated hogs run me out of the pen and up a tree. Hogs are probably the most dangerous and unpredictable animal in the southern woods...northern too except for the griz or a moose maybe.

Ben

Swampman · « **Reply #32 on:** September 10, 2012, 03:04:29 PM »

Many people believe they are dangerous, I don't. Perhaps a sow with pigs in a pen might be. I've always found them to be more afraid of me than I was of them. If you back them into a place they can't get out of they will run over you out of fear.

Ranger99 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 10, 2012, 03:27:00 PM »

my buddy had a sow put him up a tree
when we were bowhunting quite a few
years back. it does happen.
i agree, that as a rule most animals
will flee when confronted.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #34 on:** September 10, 2012, 11:42:23 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 10, 2012, 03:04:29 PM

Many people believe they are dangerous, I don't. Perhaps a sow with pigs in a pen might be. I've always found them to be more afraid of me than I was of them. If you back them into a place they can't get out of they will run over you out of fear.

I am sure it is what you have seen Swamp, but its simply NOT the way it is...
I bet a Hippo, Elephant, Cape Buffalo never ran you down either, do you doubt there dangers associated with them? Just because you, personally, haven't experienced it, doesn't remove all possibility its the truth.
I have had to resort to a tree, a couple times myself. Now its not like you have to spend hours up a tree, actually most of the time its a simple jump over the pig and out of his path as it tries to slash you on its way thru. But it in no way reduces the dangeriousness of the animal.

CW

Swampman · « **Reply #35 on:** September 10, 2012, 11:46:18 PM »

Hunted in a woods full of hogs all of my life. Raised hogs on the farm when I was a kid. They can injure you trying to get away.

swordfish · « **Reply #36 on:** September 12, 2012, 04:48:56 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 10, 2012, 11:42:47 AM

I see no reason anyne would need to defend themselves from hogs. They might run into you by accident but they aren't dangerous or looking for a fight.

For someone that has spent as much time in the swamps as you say, I can't beleive what I'm reading from you.
Just guess you've been awfully lucky. Some people have never seen a dog try to bite a person ether, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #37 on:** September 13, 2012, 12:01:55 AM »

Quote from: skippylou on September 07, 2012, 09:21:09 AM

This is not strictly a hunting question; more of a hog defense question. In the winter, I enjoy hiking along the Rio Grande in New Mexico with my dogs. Over the past few years I have seen an increasing number of feral hogs. I always carry a 1911 loaded with hardball as a general precaution. One incident with a charging hog of about 200 lbs. One shot, shoulder hit at about 15 yards stopped the attack. From what I have read about feral hogs, I think I was very lucky. Now I do not feel adequately armed with a 45 auto. I know that these unprovoked attacks are rare, I think he was actually after my 18 pound terrier. I would prefer to go with a rifle over a big bore revolver. I can hit what I aim at with the single action 45 but can't hit squat with a double action big bore revolver, especially one handed. I would like lightweight, maneuverable, reliable rifle with adequate stopping power for oncoming head or shoulder shots at close range. Lots of dust, sand and dirt here so I need reliability in these conditions. I don't want an AR or AK or a super heavy recoil like a 45-70 or 358 Winchester as I want to practice a lot. Here is what I have been thinking about:

1894 in 38-55, 44 magnum or 45 long Colt. Use heavy hard cast FN bullets.

Ruger Gunsite Ranch Scout 308.

Ruger 10/44.

Open to other suggestions or opinions on which might be best. I will probably try a variety of factory loads and get into reloading when I have a good supply of brass so suggestions on good commercial loads for this task appreciated. Thanks.

PS: Getting bigger dogs is not an option.

So Skippylou, What do you think? Did you get the answers/information you where looking for?

Please don't let Swampy's posts bother you. He relishes interjecting little totally off the wall comment and then sits back to watch the show...

Most just ignore the post as humor and move on. Sometimes its a damn good show!

Take a look here, even for him, he really spins quite a "yarn" in this one!!

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,259986.0.html

It's actually a enjoyable and informative post on something that interests many people, self included.

CW

Swampman · « **Reply #38 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:22:10 AM »

No yarn at all, it happened. Folks without experience are frequently frightened of the forest and the creatures that live there. Frequently they mistake flight for fight. Having lived it the woods and on a farm, I'm more comfortable there than most.

Bugflipper · « **Reply #39 on:** September 13, 2012, 08:51:13 AM »

For me it would just boil down to what I had already I guess. Or what could be used as a dual role, such as for deer if I didn't have a rifle for it already. Or a shotgun. Hogs are nothing special. Folks used to act like they were armor plated warriors. Any standard deer caliber or a slug will lay them down in an instant. A lot of folks will suggest big slow bullets like are popular in lever actions, nothing wrong with that, they work. So does a 308 or whatever a fellow happens to have. I have been using a 6.8 for 4 or 5 years now for deer and hogs. If I didn't already have a deer rifle or shotgun and didn't want a black rifle. Probably would just get a pump, lever or auto rifle or a pump shotgun.

But then again if it were only for self defense from them I would just trade the 1911 in on a 10mm glock 20 and carry buffalo bore 220 gr hard cast flat nose. Then carry it as self defense in town as well. Personally if I didn't have confidence in carrying a pistol for a 200 lb hog. I wouldn't carry it for a 200 lb man that has more than just teeth to fight with. I would recommend a 255 gr bullet for your 1911, but they can be finicky on what they will feed so I will just pass on that one.
Good luck.

swordfish · « **Reply #40 on:** September 14, 2012, 03:24:49 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on September 13, 2012, 12:01:55 AM

Swampy's post...........Take a look here, even for him, he really spins quite a "yarn" in this one!!

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,259986.0.html

CW

CW, thanks for linking that! I really enjoyed reading through it.

They did find one, it just wasn't what they wanted it to be:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-28/sasquatch-bigfoot-hoax-fatal/57363768/1

Swampman · « **Reply #41 on:** September 14, 2012, 03:30:46 AM »

I notice when folks are backed into a corner with facts, they resort to insults or trying to smear you. Liberals are all alike....

Tommyt · « **Reply #42 on:** September 14, 2012, 12:48:59 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 10, 2012, 11:42:47 AM

I see no reason anyne would need to defend themselves from hogs. They might run into you by accident but they aren't dangerous or looking for a fight.

You don't know hogs ( period)

Skiplou
Maybe a rem 760 in 35 or 308
They are short, so they can be swung fast for quick shots
I don't think they weigh enough to hamper a hiker
Also can be pretty quick for follow up shots

Tommyt

Swampman · « **Reply #43 on:** September 14, 2012, 12:57:01 PM »

You guys have really bought into those old wives tales. I'd stay out of the woods. Chipmunks are scarry too.

FPH · « **Reply #44 on:** September 15, 2012, 10:01:41 PM »

12 Ga. Slugs......same as bear.

onegunred · « **Reply #45 on:** September 17, 2012, 08:27:13 AM »

We have not heard from skippylou since the 8th, I wonder if he got eaten by a hog? I hope his dog is okay.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #46 on:** September 19, 2012, 02:06:20 PM »

Gentlemen,

Please remember the forum rules to keep it civil and on topic for the benefit of everyone.

Thank you,
Land Owner
Forum Mod

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #47 on:** September 20, 2012, 04:36:01 AM »

Quote from: Land_Owner on September 08, 2012, 10:41:06 AM

Got to seriously agree that the head and neck shot is an effective killer. From a steady rest and within 25 yards I shoot them in the "X" between ears and eyes with a reliable and accurate Ruger K77/22RP LR for an effective killing brain shot. The report of the lowly 22 LR doesn't send them running for cover. They settle down to eating corn and I shoot another...then another...then another until they get wiser if there are any left.

Almost like the old time buffalo hunters.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 24, 2012, 01:08:14 PM »

Back to the OP - you can hit what you need to with the single action 1911..... ok I would recommend keeping that on you with holster you are comfortable with. My sidearm for swine is a S&W model 1917 shooting 45 acp 255 gr lead swc at about 925 fps. I have never had one of these rounds fail to penetrate and exit a hog no matter what angle. The revolver weighs about the same as the 1911 and shoots the same round but I'll wager you can get a second shot off faster with the SA than I can with my revolver.

If you are insistent on a longarm, my experience leads me to a Winchester or Marlin lever gun in 30-30. My Winnie prefers 150 gr and the Marlin likes 170s. That being said the Winnie carries easier for me and shoulders faster. Either weight bullet has put down many a porker with a single shot....... those flat nose bullets whackem good.

JeffG · « **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2012, 08:55:31 AM »

Ok. So a firearm in pig country would be coined a gun, "of sudden pig oportunity"; be it agressive in nature, or not. I would opt for a repeating , handy long gun. Long guns have a tendency to bring a final outcome more reliably than handguns. Lever guns are a geat choice, and offer a wide array of calibers. The 30/30 is a great choice, as is the 45/70. 45 Colt and 44magnum, with correct loads are good choices. Obviously shot placement is paramount. My 2 cents.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #50 on:** October 05, 2012, 09:21:57 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 10, 2012, 03:04:29 PM

Many people believe they are dangerous, I don't. Perhaps a sow with pigs in a pen might be. I've always found them to be more afraid of me than I was of them. If you back them into a place they can't get out of they will run over you out of fear.

If you happen to be where they want to go you might have a real handfull.

Now for gun(s) . OP wants reliable and light . Being where he is maybe 2 leg critters also. A shotgun is good up close a good turkey gun like an 870 3 inch mag 23 3/4 inch bbl with a mag ext would be comforting. But ammo can get heavy if much is carried. The Ruger scout could be a good choice as could a Remington mod 7 in 308. Or any other short light bolt gun in 308 . I like my Ruger INT. in 308 for long walks. Good quality ammo should work well as long as it will stay together and go deep enough.

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #51 on:** October 07, 2012, 04:02:50 AM »

My first choice would be a winchester 94 in 30-30. I've killed several with it. Most were on the ground before I ever cycled the lever. It's a light easy handling gun. Exposed hammer is much quicker than dealing with a safety in my opinion.

Next option is to get yourself a short barreled H&R shotgun. Load it with buckshot or a slug. I've killed 2 with this. Both were within 40 yards. They were both bang flop. The short barreled H&R shot gun weighs in at under 4lbs.

Here is my shorty.

FPH · « **Reply #52 on:** October 07, 2012, 04:25:48 AM »

I recommended a 12 Ga shotgun not for caliber as much as weight, ease of use and yes lethal ability. However, my friends who kill them regularly use .243's and one uses a knife. He runs dogs, will catch a pig by the hind leg, then slit it's throat.

Hodr · « **Reply #53 on:** October 07, 2012, 11:16:31 AM »

I suggested a 12ga JIC Mossberg awhile back, but I also have an H&R 45-70 cut to 18" barrell and know that it will stop a 700lb ladyelk from leaving the vicinity when used with 350 JFN buffallo Bore. I admit the ammo is a bit pricy at $3 a shot. A H&R cut down to 18" with youth furniture is not very heavy, it does have some recoil, unless you reload the ammo is not cheap and I have had people say unkind things about my "toy or blunderbuss" but it does speak with a great deal of authority, so does a great big ladyelk with a really big hole where the bullet came out.

Hodr

schoolmaster · « **Reply #54 on:** October 07, 2012, 06:50:07 PM »

This person wants a rifle that doesn't kick like a 45-70 and is a defensive rifle. In this case to kill, disable, or change the direction of any hog that is heading his way or close enough to threaten his small dogs. I suggest a repeater with some premium bullets in as large a caliber as he can stand recoilwise. Certainly a .44 mag, 45 LC, 454 casull in a lever action carbine would work. A Remington pump in .35 remington would be a good choice also. Bullet choice is importent when using these rounds. I would use a Barnes bullet for penetration and expansion. Due to close proximity, I would use fibre optic sights. Probably the best way to choose is to go to gun shops and handle as many different rifles in your selected caliber as possible and go with the one that feels best. A premium recoil pad will help with recoil as well as porting and/or a muzzle brake. I am impressed with the shooting ability that allows the shooter to hit a rapidly moving boar in the head with a pistol. I would be hard pressed to make that shot with a rifle and would prefer a shotgun with 00 buck for that kind of close quick work.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #55 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:42:38 PM »

This one's got to have some appeal...

clum sum · « **Reply #56 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:02:24 PM »

A person who does't respect what a wild hog can do to a dog a human or a truck tire is app to get cut. Any gun you can shoot well ,will do. Yes I hve been run up a small pine tree by a 80 lb hog. Of all the wild animals in south Fl. the hog is the one I respect the most. Have a few frinds cut and it is not pretty.

FPH · « **Reply #57 on:** October 16, 2012, 03:02:17 PM »

Quote from: clum sum on October 16, 2012, 02:02:24 PM

A person who doesn't respect what a wild hog can do to a dog a human or a truck tire is app to get cut. Any gun you can shoot well ,will do. Yes I have been run up a small pine tree by a 80 lb hog. Of all the wild animals in south Fl. the hog is the one I respect the most. Have a few Friends cut and it is not pretty.

I think we need to differentiate between feral hogs had wild boars.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #58 on:** October 17, 2012, 02:19:03 AM »

Quote from: Land_Owner on October 16, 2012, 01:42:38 PM

This one's got to have some appeal...

I had one , will not have another if that helps .

Ironwood · « **Reply #59 on:** October 17, 2012, 05:06:38 PM »

If you are wanting something to stop a feral hog why don't you consider a 20 gauge auto or pump shotgun. I've hunted feral hogs for over 40 years. I've only had one that actually charged me and that one time was my fault. I really wouldn't want to be armed with anything but a large caliber auto, lever, or pump rifle or shotgun. There's a great difference between just killing a hog and killing a hog that's charging you!