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Offline Cosmo

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Need your help, please!
« on: September 09, 2012, 01:15:49 PM »
Hi, folks! Hoping someone can help us with identifying a pistol that has been handed down. It has very ornate vine and leaf engraving. It has ELG in a circle and it looks like the serial number 1986 is in several places. It has been suggested it is Belgian, from 1850-1860 possibly. But no one seems to know beyond that.
I tried to post pictures, but they wouldn't come through.
We also have a double barrel, exposed hammer shotgum. It has F. Kief en Peine engraved on it. Any thoughts?
Thanks!

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Re: Need your help, please!
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 09:00:48 AM »
Need more info.  Caliber, type pistol (single shot, revolver), barrel shape & length, any other markings.  Pictures would go a long way to identifying it.  Multiple shots showing all markings.
 
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Re: Need your help, please!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 12:46:03 PM »
It is a revolver. I tried to upload pictures, but they won't go through. If u have an email address i can send them to u. My email is tessiecat@msn.com. Thanks!

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Re: Need your help, please!
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 05:55:14 PM »
Hey all, Cosmo sent me some pictures.  Can anyone identify this other than an "Unmarked Belgian revolver"

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Re: Need your help, please!
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2012, 05:49:23 PM »
I've posted the pictures on another BP site that is usually able to identify oddball revolvers.  This is the best one of the members could do.
"Hmmmm.............. The "ELG" is a Belgian proofmark. If there is a crown over it then its before 1895, no crown means after.

It looks like some version of one of the the Belgian "patent infringment revolvers" There were literally thousands of different models, all copied partly or completley from an existing patented design. Literally every bycycle shop was cranking out some kind of pistol, all copied from existing designs that were sometimes mixed & matched to try & claim an "original design" but all they did was steal several ideas & combine them. The side hammer could have come from a beaumont, or Beaumont-Addams, the cylinder pin from a Colt Root & the loading lever from something else entirely. "
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Re: Need your help, please!
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2012, 12:43:40 PM »
Thanks, Fingers! You were able to give me more info than the recommended muzzleloading shop I drove 2 hours to get to last week!
You're the best! -Barb

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Re: Need your help, please!
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2012, 01:58:38 PM »
Glad to be of assistance Barb.  Ive still got a couple posting ou there; so, someone might come up with more info. 
From your picrures, it looks like a .44 caliber double action revolver.  Am I right, or am I reading the pictures wrong? 
I know you said it was hadnded down; but do you have any history on it?
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