Iran deploys russian made sub in the gulf.

[powderman]

Iran deploys Russian-made submarine in Gulf  Published September 18, 2012
Associated Press    TEHRAN, Iran –  Iran has deployed one of its Russian-made submarines after it was overhauled earlier this year.
The semi-official Fars news agency says Taregh-1 joined the naval fleet in the southern port of Bandar Abbas. It's one of three Russian Kilo class submarines that Iran obtained in early 1990s.
Tehran has tried to build a self-sufficient military program since 1992 and has several smaller Iranian-built submarines.
 
Tuesday's announcement comes as U.S.-led naval exercises are under way in the Persian Gulf. The drill is seen as a response to Iranian warnings earlier this year it could close the strategic oil route in the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation for tighter Western sanctions. Tehran later withdrew the threat.
The U.S. and its allies suspect Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapon, a charge Iran denies.

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[yellowtail3]

Deployed in the gulf? Where the heck else are they going to deploy it? Keep in mind... Gulf Waters are their shores, not ours.
 
The article is analogous to an Iranian paper writing an article: 'USN deploys Los Angeles-class attack boat off of San Diego' or somesuch.

[BUGEYE]

a couple of fishermen in a well equipped bass-boat and some dynamite could wipe out the sub-fleet of a bunch of savages.

[Hairy Chest]

It's all Diesel-Electric so that is a good thing.  Alternative technology. 

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Hairy Chest:
"It's all Diesel-Electric so that is a good thing.  Alternative technology.


Yes and no. It does have to recharge but it is also quieter than a nuke sub.
GuzziJohn

[mcwoodduck]

Deployed in the gulf? Where the heck else are they going to deploy it? Keep in mind... Gulf Waters are their shores, not ours.
 
The article is analogous to an Iranian paper writing an article: 'USN deploys Los Angeles-class attack boat off of San Diego' or somesuch.

Yes they have a shore line, yes they have a right to protect that shore line, It is calle the Persian Gulf and Iran is Persia.  But a rogue nation that has threatened to shut off the oil supply to the rest of the world deploying a well built and reciently maintained by ex russian saliors is a bad thing.  Hitting one or two super tankers in the shipping lanes will be a ecological and economical night mare.
Also having the same sub leave the gulf and sail into the Med and attack Isreal and their ports too would be in charicter with the rogue nation that has vowed to wipe isreal off the map for simply existing.  You may be an anti semite and think great get rid of the Zionists, the Jews, the what ever.  But you would be misssing the base of the hatred.  They hate them because they are not musliums, they do not follow the strict dietary laws, and they do nto follow the strict code of conduct in the muslium system.  And if they hate the Jews because the women cna vote, can serve in the military, can show a little skin, and the culture is allowed to drink, what do you think they want ot do to us that allows more, we are allowed to eat pork. 
These radicals in charge of the country are sick, and are willing to stop at nothing to unite the world into a global califate (one muslium law)  and all who stand in their way will be killed.  Same play book as the facistis and the communists.

[Hairy Chest]

guzzijohn:

Quote from Hairy Chest:
"It's all Diesel-Electric so that is a good thing.  Alternative technology.

Yes and no. It does have to recharge but it is also quieter than a nuke sub.
GuzziJohn

Good for the future.  No atomic waste disposal problems. 

[Mikey]

ok, amabadfittingdinnerjacket goes nutz and the subs sink a tanker or two.  Isreal nukes'm and that's the end of the iranian navy, and iran.  Italy gets upset because iran has caused pollution that soils their shores, also on the med, and they attack with holographic pictures of the former stripper who wanted to be premier doing a bump and grind.  amabadfittingdinnerjacket gets both eyes full of Italian breastworks and is forced to commit suicide.  The ayatolas cannot go outside their underground haven to issue edicts because of a huge Italian hologram depicting nekked womens and so they also have to commit suicide.  The New Russian Army (NRA), consisting entirely of unshaven heavily armed nekked womens surrounds iran and all the iranian men who cannot take their eyes off the NRA are forced to commit suicide.  We win.  Any questions? 
Isn't that news articles sort of like nyc deploys anti 32 oz drink cops in central park?  Diesel and electric are quieter than nuclear - who cares, they can be sunk so fast it hurts.
I might opine that iran deploying a submarine in the mediterranean bathtub would simply be a huge waste of money.
Anybody here know how to make holographs??
 

[gypsyman]

Hell of an idea Mikey. Until the Italians come up with holographic pictures of nekked women, we could drop leaflets of Hillary's face superimposed over a picture of Rosie O'Donnels picture, when she was dressed in a corset and garter belt,(I think I have to go wash my eyes out again, it's been 20 years since I seen that picture, and my eyes still burn )!! That'll keep them in their cave's for awhile. gypsyman

[mcwoodduck]

Uh-huh! Mr. woodduck....regardless of you propa-opinion of Iranians, they are not inclined to commit suicide. . defensively and strategically if they are attacked closing the Straits is appropriate for them.  Afterall, they would not be attacked, counter attack, and then allow various navies to cruize in and out of the Gulf to take close range shots at them.  Would you? BTW, tankers sailing into the Gulf are empty.
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My opinion of the Iranian sub launch 'storyline'  is to set the stage for a 'false flag' attack on a US ship, or others...make no mistake ...ALL wars are started by false flag attacks,,,and that is a proven fact.
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If anything Western and zionist intervention and wars have done more to unite mooselimb interests then anything else.
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Uh TM7 they believe that attacks in the jihad and being killed will send them directly to paradise.
I ma not sure what team you are one but pull your head out of the sand.  The leaders of Iran are not rational people.
Iranians are rational people, I can see the difference between the two.

[magooch]

All the more reason to make sure that Iran doesn't get nuclear capability.

[mcwoodduck]

Uh TM7 they believe that attacks in the jihad and being killed will send them directly to paradise.
I ma not sure what team you are one but pull your head out of the sand.  The leaders of Iran are not rational people.
Iranians are rational people, I can see the difference between the two

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Well, I'm not on the neocon nor the neolib team that's for sure. I'm on the America First Team and the above is propaganda employed to genocide a nation and people. Neocons-libs see the above quote as gospel truth. But Most everybody doesn't want to commit suicide let alone the second oldest nation on earth. Iran didn't get to be the second oldest nation on earth by committing national suicide and creating excuses to be attacked by threatening thermonuclear wielding super powers,,,one which is a rogue nation without borders and a rich history of genocide and curiously hypocritically has never signed any nuclear non-proliferation treaties or been inspected. "Thou shalt not commit hypocrisy".
So I'm not going to have anything to do with this crap..
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BTW, you might note that those nations that have nuclear capability don't get attacked, invaded/occupied, or pre-emptively attacked.
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I am not afraid of a country that wants nuke weapons.
I am afraid of a country that only a few.
I am also afraid of a country that says they want them to use them.  Granted we are the only country to use them in a war, and it ended WWII. 
Much like the guy that wants a guin and only 5 bullets.  He has a reason for only wanting those 5, especally if he has laid out a hit list.
Iran has done that.  It is a stupid man that thinks what the Iraninas say is bluster and should not be taken at face value.
Now I am not a Neocon, I am definatly not a Neo Lib (communist) I am a conservitive and I understand that Iran's leadership means what they say and needs to be removed to keep a peaceful world, much like Hitler needed ot be removed.
I also understand the human condition.  If you have no prospects, if there are no jobs, if you cna not have the Human dream of a job, house, and family someone will come along and tell you it is "their" fault and you need ot attack them, kill them and if you do, you will be remembered as a hero in our fight, and will obtain all the wealth and riches in the after life.  Gee be a hero and live like a king in the after life and punish those that are making me and my friends live in squaller..... Sounds like a good idea. 
Add on top of that, that the families are given an amount of money for the martardom of their son, and it sound more like a suiside for insurance scam with a political adgenda.  And much like the class warfare that is going on here if you remove the scape goat it does not make it better for the rest. 

[Hairy Chest]

Iran doesn't need nukes to take out Israel.  It's such a small area.  Besides, it would affect the neighboring Arab populations.  Maybe that's why the hurry to invade Iran.  The threat of nuclear capability is only to alarm, like WMD's to go into Iraq. 

[mcwoodduck]

Iran doesn't need nukes to take out Israel.  It's such a small area.  Besides, it would affect the neighboring Arab populations.  Maybe that's why the hurry to invade Iran.  The threat of nuclear capability is only to alarm, like WMD's to go into Iraq.

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 Exactly, In the Seven Wars game plan its the same storyline employed for the Iracq debacle..i.e. WMD. That and villainize every man, woman, and child that happens to be a mooselimb.  (Eg...See last mcwoodduck post above.) This is how you carry on and practice war and genocide.
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Saying Iraq did not have WMDs is like saying I don't have shot gun shells.
I have 5,000 AA hulls
15 pounds of Green Dot
5,000 Wads and 209 primers
And 500 Pounds of lead shot and 4 reloaders
But I don't have a loaded shot shell.
Sadam may not have had WMDs at the time of the invasion but he certainly has had them in the past, using them on Iran and the Kurds, and had multiple places to make them as well as the parts to make them.
Reguardless of what the media reported Iraq had the ability to make different types of WMDs and the goal in not reporting that was to make Peesident Bush look bad.  The Democrats and their supporting cast in the media are not about security, freedom, or civil rights, they are about making the Opposition party look bad.
Saying that Iran does not have a nuke is saying that I don't have shot shells as I don't have powder.  Just mising one componet that I am trying to get.

[SHOOTALL]

Quote from Hairy Chest:
"It's all Diesel-Electric so that is a good thing.  Alternative technology.


Yes and no. It does have to recharge but it is also quieter than a nuke sub.
GuzziJohn

and better suited for thin water .

[SHOOTALL]

mcwoodduck....sounding like a Hannity talking points bulletin again...proof of Iraqui WMD please? B/C Bush Jr Inc already said they were victims of bad intell supplied by isrealis... and why did Bush not have American intel ? because of Clintion cuts 
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And don't give me that moved to Syria song and dance...that would never never be allowed, especially if the goal was to get Sad'Dam's WMD in first place....then it was all for naught and profit and hubris. Bush Jr et al including most democrats needs to be served some papers a long about now...if they can find him.You over look the iraian stated goals as do many. Why is that ? Has it no bearing on policy making in our country ? If not is that not a mistake much like what we suffered in WW2?
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[Hairy Chest]

Iran doesn't need nukes to take out Israel.  It's such a small area.  Besides, it would affect the neighboring Arab populations.  Maybe that's why the hurry to invade Iran.  The threat of nuclear capability is only to alarm, like WMD's to go into Iraq.

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 Exactly, In the Seven Wars game plan its the same storyline employed for the Iracq debacle..i.e. WMD. That and villainize every man, woman, and child that happens to be a mooselimb.  (Eg...See last mcwoodduck post above.) This is how you carry on and practice war and genocide.
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..TM7

Saying Iraq did not have WMDs is like saying I don't have shot gun shells.
I have 5,000 AA hulls
15 pounds of Green Dot
5,000 Wads and 209 primers
And 500 Pounds of lead shot and 4 reloaders
But I don't have a loaded shot shell.
Sadam may not have had WMDs at the time of the invasion but he certainly has had them in the past, using them on Iran and the Kurds, and had multiple places to make them as well as the parts to make them.
Reguardless of what the media reported Iraq had the ability to make different types of WMDs and the goal in not reporting that was to make Peesident Bush look bad.  The Democrats and their supporting cast in the media are not about security, freedom, or civil rights, they are about making the Opposition party look bad.
Saying that Iran does not have a nuke is saying that I don't have shot shells as I don't have powder.  Just mising one componet that I am trying to get.

The problem is when you word it like that, you can justify an illegal war on anybody.   

[nw_hunter]

mcwoodduck....sounding like a Hannity talking points bulletin again...proof of Iraqui WMD please? B/C Bush Jr Inc already said they were victims of bad intell supplied by isrealis...
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And don't give me that moved to Syria song and dance...that would never never be allowed, especially if the goal was to get Sad'Dam's WMD in first place....then it was all for naught and profit and hubris. Bush Jr et al needs to be served some papers a long about now...if they can find him.
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I agree with the WMD thing, but what does it have to do with Iran and a Russian made sub? Lets keep on topic!

[mcwoodduck]

mcwoodduck....sounding like a Hannity talking points bulletin again...proof of Iraqui WMD please? B/C Bush Jr Inc already said they were victims of bad intell supplied by isrealis...
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And don't give me that moved to Syria song and dance...that would never never be allowed, especially if the goal was to get Sad'Dam's WMD in first place....then it was all for naught and profit and hubris. Bush Jr et al needs to be served some papers a long about now...if they can find him.
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...TM7.

Have not listened to Hannity in a long time.  But I like the typical Liberal diversion of accusing the statement by being a sheep and repeating what other say.  But unlike the Democrats the Conservitives do not issue a talking point spin sheet ever day.  Remember Gravitas?  All the liberals said it on the same day.  Sounds like talking points to me. 
But I did see a documentry on the interrogation of Sadam and that is where I got the information.
Also we know Sadam was making WMDs before the war. 
1 We had proof he used them on the Kurds and in the war with Iran.
2 We had chemical Ali (his top general in Chem warfare)
3 We had is son in law with documents
4 we had Sadam saying he ordered the ceasing of production of all WMDs and those weapons to be destroyed.  If he didn't have them how could he order them destroyed and to stop making them?  And we were supose to take his word that they were destroyed, especally after the 91 war and the inspectors that were to have located the factories and destroyed all weapons.
 
Sorry that your history revision does not meet the facts.
And yes we all know that Isreal has Nukes.  I have no problem with them having them.  Same as I wouold have no problems with Austrailia, Switerland, France, Canada, India, or England having them.  I do have a problem with Pakastan having them.  The radical al Queda friendly elements of the governemnt could or would give one to them for use.  DC and NYC have nuke detectors but does your city?

[Hairy Chest]

U.S. supplied Iraq with chemical weapons to use against Iran under Reagan.  The plan was to give biological and chemical weapons to Iraq so they can defeat the Iranians.  Cluster bombs were provided also to Saddam. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  Later, possession of these materials was then used as an excuse to topple Iraq.  That would be the equivalent of the U.S. supplying Israel with weapons, then later saying saying you have these weapons, now we need to invade you.

U.S. gave WMD's to Iraq:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics
 

[BBF]

All the more reason to make sure that Iran doesn't get nuclear capability.

All the more reason for them to hurry up and get a few to neutralize the warmongering !!

[mcwoodduck]

Iran doesn't need nukes to take out Israel.  It's such a small area.  Besides, it would affect the neighboring Arab populations.  Maybe that's why the hurry to invade Iran.  The threat of nuclear capability is only to alarm, like WMD's to go into Iraq.

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 Exactly, In the Seven Wars game plan its the same storyline employed for the Iracq debacle..i.e. WMD. That and villainize every man, woman, and child that happens to be a mooselimb.  (Eg...See last mcwoodduck post above.) This is how you carry on and practice war and genocide.
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..TM7

Saying Iraq did not have WMDs is like saying I don't have shot gun shells.
I have 5,000 AA hulls
15 pounds of Green Dot
5,000 Wads and 209 primers
And 500 Pounds of lead shot and 4 reloaders
But I don't have a loaded shot shell.
Sadam may not have had WMDs at the time of the invasion but he certainly has had them in the past, using them on Iran and the Kurds, and had multiple places to make them as well as the parts to make them.
Reguardless of what the media reported Iraq had the ability to make different types of WMDs and the goal in not reporting that was to make Peesident Bush look bad.  The Democrats and their supporting cast in the media are not about security, freedom, or civil rights, they are about making the Opposition party look bad.
Saying that Iran does not have a nuke is saying that I don't have shot shells as I don't have powder.  Just mising one componet that I am trying to get.

The problem is when you word it like that, you can justify an illegal war on anybody.   

But the UN treaty said he could not have precoursers, facilities to manufacture.  So in my senerio if he did not have reloaders then he does not have shotgun shells.
But the intell said his government was meeting wiht Al Queda and the fear was that he would hand them some of the WMDs to use on the USA or it's allies or against our troops in Afganistan or worse against people in Afganistan and blaming us.   

[BBF]

That part is easy to fix. Pull out all of your troops now. With zero presence you can't be blamed for whatever someone else cooks up.

[mcwoodduck]

But the UN treaty said he could not have precoursers, facilities to manufacture.  So in my senerio if he did not have reloaders then he does not have shotgun shells.
But the intell said his government was meeting wiht Al Queda and the fear was that he would hand them some of the WMDs to use on the USA or it's allies or against our troops in Afganistan or worse against people in Afganistan and blaming us. 

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 The above is not exactly accurate.  UN inspectors didn't find WMD, nor did US occupation forces find much of anything, either. Your premise is based on something that didn't exist and poor logic, which is called a fantasy. Sad'dam and Al CIAduh didn't get along either, being a secularist he had no love for the agitprop of the weaponized islam from the fundamentalists...a challenge to his surpremacy in Iracq.
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Since the 2nd invasion by US troops in Gulf War phase 2, Sad'dam must have realized it was all or nothing and for keeps owing to the anger of Americans based on a phoney false flag.  If he had WMD, gas or whatever...he didn't use them in this all or nothing campaign.  I guess he thought of his WMD as 'safe queens', just to be an admired collection of war toys.. ....but not for use.   In fact, if DoD strategist knew Sad'dam had serious WMD this war phase 2 would have been carried out in a much different fashion/format.
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Because the main stream media did not report finding weapons and facilities does not mean they did not exist.
Site your sources that said nothing was found.  A Spec Warfare Major I have known since college says there were and he was there.  Again he found un assembled componets, precoursers, and facilities to make them.
The UN inspectors were held in places and not allowed in others for 24 to 72 hours, more than enough time to remove vital equipment and materials so I see their report as flawed.
Heck Bill Clinton and Hillary were saying he had WMD's.  Bill kept wagging his finger in front of the camera and telling us he will be brought to justice and nothing was done.