Is the magnum XTP a myth?

[petemi]

I've looked at Hornady's web page, their reloading manual and at several distributors and can find no reference to a Magnum XTP in .357 and .44.  Anyone here know where to find them?  I also would like to have muzzle and impact velocities.  Thanks.

Pete

[yukondog]

Pete are you talking about load or bullet data? The only bullet I know of is the 45 cal. [.452] the 240 xtp/mag and the 300 xtp/mag.

[petemi]

I' asking about the bullet.

Pete

[murphdog]

As far as I know (and I don't know much), Hornady only makes a special magnum bullet in 45 caliber.  They don't make one for 44 and 357 caliber, probably because their standard bullet in those calibers is already designed to be tough enough for magnum velocities. 
Duane

[petemi]

murphdog, the XTP HP and the XTP FP are designed for magnum PISTOLS.  I'm shooting the .357 XTP FP at 2290 fps muzzle velocity out of a Maxi Handi.  It's a whole different ball game.  The 180 gr. SSP is designed to handle that velocity.  I may just stick with that and load the XTPs  as .357 magnums.

Pete

[keith44]

http://www.hornady.com/store/XTP-XTP-MAG/?page=4


.452, .475, and .500 diameters are all that's listed

[petemi]

Thanks keith.  I'll be sticking with the .358 SSP for larger game.

Pete

[Airsporter]

.357 are on page 2.
http://www.hornady.com/store/XTP-XTP-MAG/?page=2

[petemi]

Those are just the regular XTPs, not the magnums.

Pete

[cwlongshot]

I never seen a 357 magnum XTP offered Peter.

If you need a tough bullet for the maxi use the Speer 180 SP made for 35 rem and up 35's. I find it tougher than the SSP and XTP Hornadys.

CW

[demented]

  I've never been happy with the performance of the XTP at typical handgun velocities, its just been too hard to get them to open up.  However, pushed through a muzzleloader, they become one of my favorite bullets, no doubt.  I've used both the .44's and .45's, both around 1600 fps, at this speed I get good expansion to 150 yards with shoot through when placed behind the shoulder on the deer we have here,  mature bucks usually being in the 200 pound class. Last year I went to the 300 grain magnums, I still got good performance on the deer I shot at 115 yards plus my accuracy is better with the 300's.

[chefjeff]

The 250gr. .452 XTP works great in my ML. The magnum I tried was longer and would keyhole out of an MMP black sabot.

[yukondog]

Didn't Hornady make a 180 xtp/fp at one time? Seems like I used to load them yrs. ago but than again crs sometimes.

[cwlongshot]

Didn't Hornady make a 180 xtp/fp at one time? Seems like I used to load them yrs. ago but than again crs sometimes.

If they did I never saw them!

The 158 is the only XTP FP I can think of in the entire line...

The 45 cal MAGNUM XTPs are built with highest vel 45 COLT and The CASSULL in mind. You could also throw the muzzle loaders in there too!

I have seen the 250 452 over expand at almost 2000fps in deer. I switched to the 300, no more problems! My loads from the pistol almost hit 1300 and 1600+ for the rifle. That's with a Reguler 300 XTP. Knocks Whitetailer flat and keeps traveling!

CW

[elkslayer4x5]

Are there what you're looking for? If so, they're avaible in every place that sell reloading supplys here in Oregon.

[Graybeard]

Hornady makes two XTP bullets for the .45 caliber rounds. One is the 250 XTP which is for use in the .45 Colt. The other is the 240 XTP Mag which is intended for use in the .454 Casull or in those really hot .45 Colt loads some folks use.

All of the .357" and .429" XTPs are like the 240 XTP Mag for the Casull. They are intended for use in the .357 and .44 magnums so while not called XTP Mag that is essentially what they are.

[keith44]

  I've never been happy with the performance of the XTP at typical handgun velocities, its just been too hard to get them to open up.  However, pushed through a muzzleloader, they become one of my favorite bullets, no doubt.  I've used both the .44's and .45's, both around 1600 fps, at this speed I get good expansion to 150 yards with shoot through when placed behind the shoulder on the deer we have here,  mature bucks usually being in the 200 pound class. Last year I went to the 300 grain magnums, I still got good performance on the deer I shot at 115 yards plus my accuracy is better with the 300's.

 


I find that the XTP's are too destructive at .44 magnum velocities as they are.  The one's I have tried open as advertised at impact velocities above 750 fps. When pushed to or above 1,200 fps and the distance to the target is less than 30 yards they open violently.

[cwlongshot]

The bullets Peter is looking for and talking about are only avail or in 45 475 and 500 calibers just as Keith44 told us in his post and link a couple posts ago. 

Everyone would see and understand if they clicked link and read.

When/If you had one in your hand to compair you could I
Eadiately see it's constructed differently. Reg XTP HP looks like its "drilled" in after the fact. The MAG version has a rolled jacket. To resist initial expansion and better hold up to the higher velocities it operates under.

CW

[cwlongshot]

I found a box of 300g XTP MAG bullets on my shelf this AM... 




Here is a 45 cal 45 cal 300g XTP MAG and a 250 grain STD XTP.



CW

[keith44]

great pic!!! The Mag has a much heavier jacket, I would guess it also has a harder lead alloy in the core.

[bull]

The 357 158 gr. XTP-FP that I have bought had a little list of intended velocities enclosed. It showed that the FPs were meant for a higher velocity than the HPs. Therefore, I use the FPs in my 357max and the HPs in my 357mag. The 158gr. XTP-FP in my 10" contender max shoot 1.5" groups at 50 yds and have dropped my biggest buck to date. Now I just have to see how they work in my new 14" contender max.

bull

[petemi]

Contender?  Contender??  What's a Contender?? 

Pete

[yukondog]

Talked to Hornady tech. the other dat, the 180 xtp/fp was actually the 180 sill. I asked him if they ever intended on making 180 xtp/fp for hunting and was told no. It would make for a good hog round out of the max.