Radiation

[Hairy Chest]

A bigger danger than little Iran even developing a bomb are the dozens of aging nuclear plants in the U.S.  Here's an article by a genetics expert who studies effects of radiation on birth defects and populations.  A nuclear bomb for human populations is less serious than a nuclear meltdown.  Perhaps we need to take a serious look at the whole nuclear issue and not just others who may try to develop a weapon..  There is no safe nuclear energy.  Fukashima Daichi is out of control now and the effects are far worse than even if an atomic bomb was used.  But who's paying attention?  We need to get our heads out of the Middle East sand, quit worrying about Islam, Islam, etc and start focusing on the real problems we have here in America.   

http://blog.al.com/pr-community-news/2012/07/geneticist_charts_effects_of_n.html

[magooch]

Even more dangerous is an out of control Obama and that is the biggest threat we face.  Oh, and a Dumycrat Congress.

[Hairy Chest]

Not really.  On the environment, Democrats win hands down. Don't confuse the issues. 

[jhm]

     NOBODY  wants dirty air, water, etc. so trying to politically say one side is doing a great job is foolish, the envirlist are part of this countrys problem, they have gotten too much power and dont look at what they do in the long term, just figure out who has to pay for all of their standards, there isnt a car manufactured that has to meet Cal. polutin standards, if cal. want those standards let them install them on all the car being sold in their state, and noty make everyone else have to pay so they can be happy, it goes on and on even their energy has tyo be subsadized by the rest of the country.  After a while it gets foolish and a little SELFISH.  Jim

[Empty Quiver]

Not really.  On the environment, Democrats win hands down. Don't confuse the issues.

Is it really that important to leave a pristine environment for the Chinese? 
 
No one wants to live in a polluted country. There is a difference between polution and using resources. There are those who want to take human needs out of the equasion, as there are those who want to take the needs of wildlife out of the equasion. The balance point continues to move, by and large we are doing a pretty darn good job. Economic reality is siding with the Chinese who are abusing there environment currently.
 
Political reality is such that we cannot abandon our nuclear weapons. Rainbows and unicorn farts will not protect us. There are bad men with evil in their hearts that wish nothing more than to kill every man jack of us.
 
There is no reason however to not maintain those weapons. They should not be allowed to go into a state of disrepair simply because they have not been used.

[SHOOTALL]

Not really.  On the environment, Democrats win hands down. Don't confuse the issues.

Not really they knee jerk instead of comming up with realistic goals that don't cost billions wasted . Want an example check out the airconditioning business .

[Bear Rider]

A bigger danger than little Iran even developing a bomb are the dozens of aging nuclear plants in the U.S.  Here's an article by a genetics expert who studies effects of radiation on birth defects and populations.  A nuclear bomb for human populations is less serious than a nuclear meltdown.

Another overeducated moron posing as an expert on subjects outside of his narrow area.

[Nuke41]

A bigger danger than little Iran even developing a bomb are the dozens of aging nuclear plants in the U.S.  Here's an article by a genetics expert who studies effects of radiation on birth defects and populations.  A nuclear bomb for human populations is less serious than a nuclear meltdown.  Perhaps we need to take a serious look at the whole nuclear issue and not just others who may try to develop a weapon..  There is no safe nuclear energy.  Fukashima Daichi is out of control now and the effects are far worse than even if an atomic bomb was used.  But who's paying attention?  We need to get our heads out of the Middle East sand, quit worrying about Islam, Islam, etc and start focusing on the real problems we have here in America.   

http://blog.al.com/pr-community-news/2012/07/geneticist_charts_effects_of_n.html

That’s such a deeply flawed argument I don’t know where to start.  It’s like saying that hurricanes are a much bigger threat than earthquakes, so we should only worry about hurricanes.  We need to be concerned with nuclear power safety and with nuclear weapons proliferation and use.

The report you cite is also flawed logically in that the doctor bases his concerns only on the long term radiation effects of nuclear weapons use, he fails to consider the immediate massive fatalities that occur in a nuclear explosion.

He also compares modern nuclear power disasters with the radiation from the nuclear weapons used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were estimated in the 10-15KT yield range.  Most modern nuclear weapons are in the several hundred KT yield range.  It’s estimated that a 100KT nuclear weapon with a surface detonation will produce 1.5 million tons of radioactive debris.

 

[Hairy Chest]

Did you notice in last night's debate nobody mentioned nuclear power?  That is because it is on it's way out.  Nobody wants to be associated with it. 

[Hairy Chest]

Nuke,,,,my understanding is that nuclear power is a huge public risk endeavor, possibly endangering far far more people than any hurricaine or earthquake ever has, AND that in worst case scenario that public risk is carried forward for generations as is risk to other life forms.. Fukushima is an example, and the publci has been kept in the dark on this one.  And because of this huge public risk the originators of nuclear power never ever envisioned building these plants on the surface of the planet.
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Another issue is that alot of economic analysis indicates the nuclear power industry has never produced one single kilowatt profitably when all costs are factored in,,,,costs overuns, security, millennial waste disposal, decommisioning, repairs and maintenance, opportunity costs, public risks and so forth.  Not one profitable kilowatt. Only the weapons industry has profited.
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That's nice that you're asking someone who has the nuke symbol as their avatar a question about nuclear power, but is that the right person to ask?  Not really.  Those in the industry are biased in favor of continuing with nuclear power.  They have a conflict of interest because it is their job.  Arguing against nuclear power literally put them out of business.  That is the problem when you have profit involved.  When any endeavor involves profit, ill effects resulting from that endeavor become buried.  They will fight tooth and nail to get you to stop.   

[SHOOTALL]

Big Oil loves so-called environmentalist...even finances them, and buys up alternative E-tech to squelch it.. To keep oil in reserve and other's hands off it, and to keep pricing/profits in the sweet spot. Great for controlling the masses, too.,,,i.e. throttling back mobility and freedom.
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When the creators of nuclear energy came up with the idea of boiling water with hot isotopes they believe that this process should never be carried out on the surface of the planet, because the half life of by products and catstrophe potential (ie. extreme public risk) was too high. But when corporate and the MIC weaponaires got hold of the technology they didn't care and claimed it cost too much.  They never have solved the waste problem...one reason Fukujima is a mega-catastrophe>> b/c they stored waste there and some smart guys decided to fuel it with MOX fuels containing recycled plutonium from the non-proliferation treaties talks decommissioning bombs; and Fukujima was never designed for such fuel.  Real smart.
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Now Fukijima is a complete and utter disaster (blacked out coverage), the likes of which the world has never seen. Truly anybody that has been involved, supported, engineered,  or worked in the Nuke Industry needs to get their collective arses over to Japan and work on solutions, even if it means you die there!  Just the way your baby turned out. I understand there is talk about evacuating that whole nation at this point.!
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that's a very wide brush to paint with.
The industry is dangerous for sure but many plants work with a good safety record . As the population of the world grows so does the stress on everything from fuel to food. It could be said what is being done with food could be a bigger hazard than nuke production in the long run. I find it almost funny these days that people feel they should have a life of no risk .

[Nuke41]

Nuke,,,,my understanding is that nuclear power is a huge public risk endeavor, possibly endangering far far more people than any hurricaine or earthquake ever has, AND that in worst case scenario that public risk is carried forward for generations as is risk to other life forms.. Fukushima is an example, and the publci has been kept in the dark on this one.  And because of this huge public risk the originators of nuclear power never ever envisioned building these plants on the surface of the planet.
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Another issue is that alot of economic analysis indicates the nuclear power industry has never produced one single kilowatt profitably when all costs are factored in,,,,costs overuns, security, millennial waste disposal, decommisioning, repairs and maintenance, opportunity costs, public risks and so forth.  Not one profitable kilowatt. Only the weapons industry has profited.
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- Are current nuclear power plants a huge environmental concern?  Yes
- Are current nuclear power plants much less economical than originally thought when most of them were built in the 1960?  Yes
- Can nuclear power plants have a place in our power production network in the future while helping to alleviate safety concerns over the current designs that are 30-50 years old? Probably; proposed generation IV designs aim to make construction and maintenance cheaper while improving safety and decreasing radioactive waste produced over the lifecycle of the reactor.
- What will kill more people, a nuclear weapons detonation or a nuclear reactor melt down?  Unknown.  A high yield nuclear weapon detonating in a large urban area would kill hundreds of thousands immediately, tens of thousands over a short time due to high intensity fallout and tens of thousands over a longer period due to lower levels of radioactive contamination.  A nuclear reactor meltdown will likely kill very few people initially and then kill a lower number of people over a very long period of time, perhaps thousands of years.  So which one kills more people?  I don’t know, all I know for sure is you don’t want either one to happen anywhere near you.  The OP’s reference downplays the hazards of nuclear weapons use on the environment, mainly because it fails to consider the difference in fission small yield weapons versus modern fusion high yield weapons, after all, the islands we detonated the early H bombs aren’t habitable and probably won’t be for hundreds or thousands of years.
- Do the concerns with nuclear power plant safety in any way alleviate concerns about Iran’s nuclear weapons program?  Of course not
 

[Nuke41]

Umm Nuke...you're trying to bridge something that's two different things...long term radiation from a renegade nuclear power industry and accidents, with wide general public risk that I or we didn't sign on for,,, and the alleged Iranian nuclear weapons program which is unproven, hearsay and a political foreign policy chainsaw.

No, from my first post all I’ve done is point out the fallacy of the OP’s premise; that safety concerns about nuclear power far outweigh the use of nuclear weapons and therefore has anything to do with being concerned about Iran’s nuclear weapons program, whatever that amounts to.

[Bear Rider]

So for right now, the radiation I'm breathing and eating in 2012 comes from the nuclear energy sector.. ..What to do about it, and what to to about Fukushima which may spew poisons for 100's of years.? I think that's what the OP was about. Any ideas.?
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Actually, most of that radiation is natural, much of it from radon gas -- a natural phenomenon that is aggravated by excavation, such as land fills, mining, and even development of subdivisions; much of it from natural elements in the soil; and some of it from solar radiation.

This is a map from the US Geological Site:



As you can see, the radiation levels can more than triple, depending upon your location. There are no nuclear reactors in my area, but it is a mineral rich area, with a high rate of radiation.

[Hairy Chest]

So for right now, the radiation I'm breathing and eating in 2012 comes from the nuclear energy sector.. ..What to do about it, and what to to about Fukushima which may spew poisons for 100's of years.? I think that's what the OP was about. Any ideas.?
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Actually, most of that radiation is natural, much of it from radon gas -- a natural phenomenon that is aggravated by excavation, such as land fills, mining, and even development of subdivisions; much of it from natural elements in the soil; and some of it from solar radiation.

This is a map from the US Geological Site:



As you can see, the radiation levels can more than triple, depending upon your location. There are no nuclear reactors in my area, but it is a mineral rich area, with a high rate of radiation.

That's another threat you have brought up:  Radon.  Radon kills Americans in their homes at the same rate as the number of traffic fatalities in the U.S.  But who's concerned about Radon?

Nuclear plant radiation is the same thing.  It has nothing to do with background radiation from altitude, the sun, etc.  American's are now breathing Cesium and perhaps even Plutonium from Fukashima Daichi.  You can't detect the particle because it is too small, but it will change the DNA of a cell in your body and you won't know about it until you or your family gets cancer in 10-20 years. 

Sorry for the bad news.  It's in our food chain since the March 11, 2011 disaster and the crisis is continuing and radiation is still spreading.  When there is another big quake at the disaster site, fuel pool 4 may collapse.  It is an elevated fuel pool that contains more radiation than all the atomic bombs exploded in the history of the world.  And when it collapses, we are done!  'Done' not meaning immediate radiation sickness, but not only increased cancer in our population over 10+ years, but massive effects on genetics and human reproduction.  Two-headed people:  You don't like the idea, but better get used to it with nuclear power.  Plants in the U.S. are all outdated and need to be scrapped. Germany was the smartest and got rid of the whole industry after Fukashima. 

What is America's problem?  Why can't they scrap the industry?  Because America is all run by insiders.  In foreign policy, domestic policy and energy, special interests run the system.  That is why if we don't like something, we need to resist the popular media sentiment and focus on what is important.  Survival of humanity?  Is that a concern or no? 

The Middle East quagmire is run by religious extremists on both sides.  Time to bring the troops home, put them on the border and with the money that is saved from these foreign "adventures", decommission our nation's nuclear plants and replace them with renewable energy sources.  Clean up our environment!  That should be a priority.  But to do so you need to clean up the environment on Capital Hill.  Get rid of the lobbyists who are running the show.  That's what really needs to be done.   

[Hairy Chest]

Hairy, agreed. The nuclear experts are in a state of terminal denial on Fukushima and are sitting around twidling their collective thumbs.. It was their baby that turned into a dragon..and they should get over there and contain it right now. At least we saw that with the Russians in Chernobyl....whether they had no choice or not I don't know.. But there really is no choice with Fukushima either. The real costs of nuclear power are coming home to roost.
There is serious talk that the island of Japan for the most part, might not be inhabitable very
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The reason the "nuclear experts" are in denial is because they are hand picked by the nuclear industry.  Who knew that?  The NRC in the U.S. is staffed by people hand picked by the nuclear industry.  What kind of regulation is that?  Imagine any other kind of industry being regulated by itself.  Hunters and gun owners deciding hunting laws:  well, I can agree with that.

But what about the rest of them?  Who wants to go fishing in the toxic Gulf?  Are you glad big oil decides who gets to drill and where?  The Gulf of Mexico is a toxic waste dump, but Americans are gobbling up their seafood without a hitch, gabbing away on their cell phones, another product that needs regulation, but the industry lobbyists prevent any of that happening.  Do you know in Switzerland, they have no WiFi?  That is because studies prove cell phones and WiFi kill.

Maybe in America it's a plan for population reduction.  No, I say it's driven by profit of big business.  Remember when Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex? Well it's expanded to include other business endeavors.  Then we have our popular media.  Now that's a whole new ballgame.       

[rio grande]

Nuclear power is an extremely dirty energy source. And the dangers are immense.

Solar/wind, especially with new technology being developed is the way to go.

[SHOOTALL]

Nuclear power is an extremely dirty energy source. And the dangers are immense.

Solar/wind, especially with new technology being developed is the way to go.

Cost effective needs to be considered also.

[SHOOTALL]

So we dump nuke and coal maybe oil and go back to pre industrial living until we can have squeeky clean power ?

[Bear Rider]

Well,  Bear Rider....we understand there's natural  background radiation and other EM spectra all around us all the time.  What we're concerned about is unnatural man made concentrations, often extremely high and with long lived isotopes spewing forth.  Already Fukushima has been blamed for 1 million cancers currently underway
FYI....TM7
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The dangerous radioactive wave from the Fukushima nuclear meltdown in Japan will hit the US West Coast and have deadly consequences for the entire U.S. food supply.

Researchers say the radioactive 'wave' from Japan will hit the US West Coast  within the year and when it does it will have a deadly consequences for marine life and the entire U.S. food supply.

For more:

Tons Of Radioactive Fukushima Water Spills Into Pacific Ocean
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/05/tons-radioactive-fukushima-water-...

Ocean Radiation Plume Hits Hawaii From Fukushima Nuclear Meltdown
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com//2012/03/16/radiation-plume-hits-hawaii-fuku...

You have cited a TV news broadcast  and blog rants by a computer programmer.  You may as well cite National Enquirer.

[Hairy Chest]

Well,  Bear Rider....we understand there's natural  background radiation and other EM spectra all around us all the time.  What we're concerned about is unnatural man made concentrations, often extremely high and with long lived isotopes spewing forth.  Already Fukushima has been blamed for 1 million cancers currently underway
FYI....TM7
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The dangerous radioactive wave from the Fukushima nuclear meltdown in Japan will hit the US West Coast and have deadly consequences for the entire U.S. food supply.

Researchers say the radioactive 'wave' from Japan will hit the US West Coast  within the year and when it does it will have a deadly consequences for marine life and the entire U.S. food supply.

For more:

Tons Of Radioactive Fukushima Water Spills Into Pacific Ocean
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/05/tons-radioactive-fukushima-water-...

Ocean Radiation Plume Hits Hawaii From Fukushima Nuclear Meltdown
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com//2012/03/16/radiation-plume-hits-hawaii-fuku...

You have cited a TV news broadcast  and blog rants by a computer programmer.  You may as well cite National Enquirer.

Bear Rider, look up Arnie Gunderson.  It is no conspiracy theory.  Reactor #3 had a nuclear explosion, just like SL1 in Idaho.  It was no hydrogen explosion like the others. It was an Unmoderated Prompt Criticality.  China Syndrome has been going on now for some time.  All they can do at this stage is send in relief workers to put water on the melted fuel blobs.  For two years, all they can do is cool the melted sludge that is literally sitting at the bottom the buildings. Only then, when the fuel is cooled, then they can begin building an external containment. That melted fuel won't be removed for 80-100 years!  They won't be touching the stuff for generations.  That is a best case scenario, providing there are no more 7.0+ earthquakes.

U.S. plants share the same boiling water plant design.  Time to ditch nuclear power.  Germany did it. 

[Mike in Virginia]

God put oil and coal in the earth for us to use.  It doesn't have any other purpose, and it's not depleted yet. 
Nuclear energy, IMO, is a whole other matter.  Although He gave us the brain to create it, it's not a natural energy source.  I think we have advance too far.  You've heard it before, but never has it been more true:  The End is Near.     

[Hairy Chest]

God put oil and coal in the earth for us to use.  It doesn't have any other purpose, and it's not depleted yet. 
Nuclear energy, IMO, is a whole other matter.  Although He gave us the brain to create it, it's not a natural energy source.  I think we have advance too far.  You've heard it before, but never has it been more true:  The End is Near.     

Mike, you've got it.  This is the thing.  Fission of uranium results in man-made elements that are extremely deadly and there is no plan to dispose of them because it is too expensive, but  even if they were willing to pay, where would it go?  Nobody wants it in their state.  So the plants keeps the waste rods on site in pools where they have to be cooled constantly.  But the pools are aging and the company can't put too much money in them.  But even if they did put money into the fuel pools, what would happen if there was an earthquake and/or tsunami or flood?  The pools lose cooling water, the fuel rods catch fire and you send everyone within 400 km packing and 40 km becomes a permanently uninhabitable area.  What reason could they logically keep on with nuclear power?
 
Look at all the plants in the eastern part of the U.S.?  They are all near populated areas. They could be venting radiation and nobody would even know about it.  Why should the company care?  That would cost them money. Regulators don't care because after the government job, they go to work in the industry.

We need to speak up and hold those sons of !@#$%'s accountable!      Quit acting like a bunch of lambs waiting for everything to be done for you.  Tell your city counsel about the neighboring nuclear plant.  Tell them you want them to tell the plant the city wants it closed due to what happened at Fukashima Daichi.  That mayor and counsel can get together with other neighboring mayors and counsels and they can all make a joint statement saying they want the plant shut down permanently.  That is how it can happen.  I know 3 cities that shutdown 1 nuclear plant and it is still shutdown.  We Californians can be tough.  Red state voters need to get their acts together.  If there was a spill in California like the Gulf Oil spill there would be an uprising.       

[Bear Rider]

Bear Rider, look up Arnie Gunderson.

You mean this bozo? Another phoney media "expert".

http://atomicinsights.com/2011/02/arnie-gundersen-has-inflated-his-resume-yet-frequently-claims-that-entergy-cannot-be-trusted.html

[Hairy Chest]

Bear Rider, look up Arnie Gunderson.

You mean this bozo? Another phoney media "expert".

http://atomicinsights.com/2011/02/arnie-gundersen-has-inflated-his-resume-yet-frequently-claims-that-ente

Bear Rider, look up Arnie Gunderson.

You mean this bozo? Another phoney media "expert".

http://atomicinsights.com/2011/02/arnie-gundersen-has-inflated-his-resume-yet-frequently-claims-that-entergy-cannot-be-trusted.html

rgy-cannot-be-trusted.html

Bear Rider, look up Arnie Gunderson.

You mean this bozo? Another phoney media "expert".

http://atomicinsights.com/2011/02/arnie-gundersen-has-inflated-his-resume-yet-frequently-claims-that-entergy-cannot-be-trusted.html

Was Gundersen popular even before 3/11/11? 

 

[Hairy Chest]

Gee, I bet 90 million Japanese listened to the Arnie Gundersons in their country..!!..and not the Rod Adams'......
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 Better active today than radioactive tomorrow....!
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Japan regularly has mass protests due to the nuclear power disaster.  Hundreds of thousands took to the street and Arnie is a hero.  You can't argue with facts. The radioactive fallout from Fukashima was monitored all over the world.  The week after March 11, 2011 the westerly winds were tracked.  The fallout helped scientists gauge wind patterns around the globe.  They could follow it as it moved eastward on specific dates after the accident and a map of readings was charted.  But where have you see a report in the mainstream media?  Nowhere to be found.  That is why there is ignorance and denial. 

[Hairy Chest]

How close are you to a nuclear power plant? 

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/nuclear_power_plants_locations/

[Nuke41]

So in reality the radiation we humans have been exposed to comes from the nuclear energy sector,,,not nuclear weapons, YET!...So for right now, the radiation I'm breathing and eating in 2012 comes from the nuclear energy sector.
TM7

That is incorrect.  The health consequences for humans from nuclear weapons fallout and contamination from nuclear power accidents are the same; it’s from internal and external exposure to an ionizing radiation source.  Ionizing radiation particles once created and placed in the environment continue to be a health hazard until they degrade to the point where they no longer emit radiation.  Current thinking on radiation exposure is there is no true “safe” limit.  Even though some of the fallout material from the nuclear weapons testing of the 1950s and 1960s is completely degraded and some is beyond its initial half-life, those particles that haven’t degraded are still radioactive and still in the environment, where they tend to be recycled in the food chain.
 
The Fukushima disaster is a disaster in every sense of the word, but my main concern with this topic are some of the suggestions that radiation from nuclear weapons testing or potential future weapons use is far less significant than that from nuclear power accidents, past, present or future.  One of the best studies I’ve seen is the “TORCH Study”, which looked at the effects of Chernobyl after 20 years.  Their conclusion was that previous studies had greatly underestimated the number of deaths from the disaster, and that the death toll from cancer alone was likely between 30,000 and 60,000.
 
 
To fairly evaluate the death toll from a nuclear power accident versus a nuclear weapon detonation you have to consider how they work; a power accident may have an initial low death toll since it does give people in the area some chance to evacuate, this is followed by a prolonged death toll over tens, hundreds, perhaps thousands of years from exposure to ionizing radiation as the plume spreads.  A nuclear weapon detonation can kill hundreds of thousands or millions in the initial blast and then produces a much more massive (volume wise) plume of radioactive material that spreads as a one time event.  A nuclear power accident produces less volume of material, perhaps over a longer time, but the material may be significantly more intense (by volume) than from a nuclear weapon.  A fusion nuclear weapon blast will produce a single plume of potentially less radioactive material (by volume) than a power accident, but it will produce well over 1 million tons of it for even a weapon in the 200KT range.  So in the end both sources of ionizing radiation are a major health concern and both sources are long lived in the environment.
 
If anyone is interested in the TORCH report it’s here:
 
http://www.nirs.org/c20/torch.pdf
 
If anyone is looking for a source to justify why nuclear power concerns alleviate concerns over Iran’s nuclear weapons program I can’t help you.
 

[Anna]

God put oil and coal in the earth for us to use.  It doesn't have any other purpose, and it's not depleted yet. 
Nuclear energy, IMO, is a whole other matter.  Although He gave us the brain to create it, it's not a natural energy source.  I think we have advance too far.  You've heard it before, but never has it been more true:  The End is Near.     

Mike, you've got it.  This is the thing.  Fission of uranium results in man-made elements that are extremely deadly and there is no plan to dispose of them because it is too expensive, but  even if they were willing to pay, where would it go?  Nobody wants it in their state.  So the plants keeps the waste rods on site in pools where they have to be cooled constantly.  But the pools are aging and the company can't put too much money in them.  But even if they did put money into the fuel pools, what would happen if there was an earthquake and/or tsunami or flood?  The pools lose cooling water, the fuel rods catch fire and you send everyone within 400 km packing and 40 km becomes a permanently uninhabitable area.  What reason could they logically keep on with nuclear power?
 
Look at all the plants in the eastern part of the U.S.?  They are all near populated areas. They could be venting radiation and nobody would even know about it.  Why should the company care?  That would cost them money. Regulators don't care because after the government job, they go to work in the industry.

We need to speak up and hold those sons of !@#$%'s accountable!      Quit acting like a bunch of lambs waiting for everything to be done for you.  Tell your city counsel about the neighboring nuclear plant.  Tell them you want them to tell the plant the city wants it closed due to what happened at Fukashima Daichi.  That mayor and counsel can get together with other neighboring mayors and counsels and they can all make a joint statement saying they want the plant shut down permanently.  That is how it can happen.  I know 3 cities that shutdown 1 nuclear plant and it is still shutdown.  We Californians can be tough.  Red state voters need to get their acts together.  If there was a spill in California like the Gulf Oil spill there would be an uprising.     

HC , they just place the nuclear waist in sealed containers deep within the potash and limestone formations ,off a state road here in NM called 62/180 near Carlsbad .
It was called the " WHIPP " project years ago , i don't know what they call it now .
The WHIPP site I believe , but it all was run by Westinghouse . Around this area in SW New Mexico , there are a lot of nuclear support facility's cropping up . One of the new ones is the Nuclear Enrichment Facility named "URENCO ", just outside of Eunice NM on the Teaxas border.
In the works is a new one that is an actual isotope , or fuel rod manufacturing facility to also be located close to 62/180 .  It's shapeing up to be sort of like a nuclear corridor around there .


URENCO is a major employer down there , so much so that in also taking in the local oil field operations ,there is now a major housing shortage in that area.
It's so bad down there that what they call "Man Camps " are popping up all over the place . For those who don't know what those are , they are camps of RVs that are used for transient workers from all over the country who are coming there for work .  But if this sounds like a good thing to you, it isn't.
The local municipality's are complaining that they can not support the influx of so many people on thier utility's . Statistics are now showing that crime , drug trafficking , DWI arrest , prostitution , robberys , murders ,and divorce rates are climbing through the roof . It is to be expected that a large majority of these transients are people running from the law in other states . Due to the fact that the oil field is notorious about only wanting a warm body to fill any position . And a lot of times paying out cash money to get that .                                                                                                                     


Add to that mix a large Casino, lax liquor laws, a new large prison , an undermanned local LE , illeagal immigration , rampent meth abuse on the rise , and you can clearly see all of that has become a very volatile mix .

[Bear Rider]

Well then, Nuke,,,you best get all the nations in the world to sign non-proliferation treaties and get inspected and start de-commissioning 1000's and 1000's of weapons instead of worrying about one or two; and the rest of us will work on limiting the N-power hazard.  While your doing that figure out what you're going to do about Fukushima; containment and how you're going to clean up your isotopes.
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And of course you'll do your part by complete disconnecting yourself from the grid in order to reduce the demand on the existing power sources. That means COMPLETELY, so I guess this will be goodbye.