China preparing for war with Japan.

[powderman]

Read full story at link below. POWDERMAN. 
 
In case you’re wondering why everyone is so bent out of shape over a couple of tiny islands where nobody really lives, it’s because the fishing is said to be excellent. Oh, and there’s oil nearby. That might have something to do with it.

Now we’ve got Chinese warships floating around the Senkaku, staring down Japanese coast guard vessels. A flotilla consisting of hundreds of Chinese fishing boats is reportedly en route to the islands. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visited both Japan and China over the past few days, but the Chinese defense minister emerged from his meeting with Panetta and said his government still reserved the right to take “further action” if Japan doesn’t correct its “mistakes.”

Vice-president Xi emerged from those meetings with a warning: “Japan should rein in its behavior and stop any words and acts that undermine China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.” He doesn’t want to inaugurate his reign atop the Communist hierarchy by backing down from a confrontation with Japan. The Chinese also seem interested in testing their “smart power,” to borrow the phrase so popular in the current U.S. administration. They have a great deal of economic leverage over both Japan and the United States, including a pivotal role in buying the American debt that sustains our wild federal spending habits.

The Japanese have elections coming up, so incumbent politicians are sensitive about their public image. They’re also worried about Chinese hegemony extending through the South China Sea – a fear shared by some American officials, including Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

“While the world’s attention was turned to other crises, including Iran’s nuclear program and concerns over the faltering Euro, China has upped the ante, playing the role of a schoolyard bully towards its maritime neighbors. From one end to the other of the South China Sea, Beijing has increased both in belligerence and bellicosity,” Ros-Lehtinen said last week, noting that control of sea lanes vital to trade and oil shipments could ultimately be at stake.

It looks like China is going to gently but firmly take control of those islands, with a fishing fleet operating under the watchful eye of military vessels, and dare Japan and her distant, bankrupt American ally to take them back.


http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/1...ar-with-japan/
 

[teamnelson]

So far the WH has been as supportive of Japan as they have been of Israel. Only difference is that we actually have a Fleet, a couple of Squadrons, and a regiment of Marines in Japan. When the world knows the most powerful chair is functionally empty, there's no restraint. I think we're shaping up not to a global event, but to a series of events around the globe which will all add up to a real mess.

[powderman]

TN. I fear you are right. Our enemies know they can expect as much from hussein as they would from Carter. American embassies burned, Americans murdered. Just business and campaigning as usual.  POWDERMAN. 

[Dee]

TN, I think your right to a point. However. I think that this emboldened Islamic terrorist movement could spark the real desire to bring more of it here. Thus ushering in Martial Law, and suspension of all elections ect. I have heard such remarks in the past, but never believed it possible. With the current president, I think he is more than capable of such an "executive order".
This whole thing with Japan, and other capitalist nations is about "colonialist like views" which are hated by communists, socialist-Marxists, and Muslim theocracies.

[teamnelson]

Dee, I've been one of those who've wondered if this is our last election. The results are scripted, and we lose. I hope I'm wrong. But when the WH drops our friends to court our enemies, and does not observe rule of law, anything is possible.

[rio grande]

TN. I fear you are right. Our enemies know they can expect as much from hussein as they would from Carter. American embassies burned, Americans murdered. Just business and campaigning as usual.  POWDERMAN. 

I found a song all the tough guys around here might like.

Randy Newman, "Political Science"

No one likes us-I don't know why
 We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
 But all around, even our old friends put us down
 Let's drop the big one and see what happens
 
 We give them money-but are they grateful?
 No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
 They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
 We'll drop the big one and pulverize them...
 
 
 ....They all hate us anyhow
 So let's drop the big one now
 Let's drop the big one now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGO42gvCSPI

[Dixie Dude]

Japan has had administration of these islands since 1895.  They are uninhabited.  They are between Okinawa and Taiwan.  China claims Taiwan and thus says they have claims to these islands, ever since oil was discovered around them.  Japan is also now considering amending their constitution so they can rebuild their military.  They have a legitimate fear that America won't back them in a conflict with China, North Korea, or even Russia.  Can't blame them.  We would probably have left them alone had they not attacked us at Pearl Harbor.  Anyways, this could flame up.
 
Seems like the whole world is flaming up, middle east, China-Japan, North Korea, Russia is modernizing their weapons, we are being invaded by illegals, drug runners from Columbia are now using submarines to try to get cocaine to our coasts, 47% of the people are on some type of government dole while the other 53% are footing the bill, true inflation is running about 10%, true unemployment is running about 12%, and our president campaigns, plays golf, goes on expensive vacations, appologises to our potential enemies, has no clear cut plan to get out of imported oil, balance the budget, or get non-government jobs started.  And we have some here who still want to vote for him?  Romney ain't perfect, but I think he has true American values in dealing with problems, especially foreign. 

[mannyrock]

 
     The conflict by China against Japan has nothing to do with the islands in question.   The Chinese, from the top to bottom, absolutely hate the Japanese.  As you will recall, the Japanese invaded the Chinese mainland in the late 1930s, thereby beginning WWII.   They did it to become the supreme masters of the western Pacific and to crush the Chinese in every respect.  As part of this, they invaded the city of Nanking, and in a 30 day blood lust, they butchered about 200,000 Chinese civilians, taking special glee in bayoneting babies to death and holding them up in the air on their rifles.   The Japanese took lots and lots of pictures of this, as wartime trophies.  There are also lots and lots of newsreels around showing live footage of this.
 
   At the end of WWII, the Chinese were never allowed to wreak any revenge against the Japanese for this.  The war just ended.   Even today, the Chinese government requires that movies on the rape of Nanking be shown to school children every year, from 1st through 12th grade.
   
   So now, China is destined to be the penultimate master of the Pacific, and are looking for any and every excuse to crush Japan and take revenge, even to the point of declaring war.  (They would also become the sole economic giant of the region.)   They built a modern ocean going naval fleet for this sole purpose, and have it poised and ready to go.  The island question is just the excuse they have been waiting for.  And if (as they surely will), the Japanese just roll over and cede or sell the islands to China, then China will be looking for another excuse to declare war upon them.
 
  The Japanese would not last 15 minutes in an all out war with China.  Though the Japanese have nuclear weapons, they are not currently "activated" and mounted on their missles ready to go, as the Chinese are.    So, the big question is, are we (the U.S.) willing to commit our Pacific fleet to defend Japan against the aggression of China?   I hope not.  We've fought enough wars.  Japan declared themselves "pacifists" after WWII, and have been living under the protection of our military forces for the past 60 years.  While we spend huge amounts of our GNP on defense, they spend almost none.  I say, let them fall.
 
Mannyrock
 

[yellowtail3]

I say, let them fall.

No, don't do that... just don't raise a fit when they re-arm and go deploy nukes. The Chinks have 'em, the Japs might be do well to match them.
 

They built a modern ocean going naval fleet for this sole purpose, and have it poised and ready to go. ... The Japanese would not last 15 minutes in an all out war with China.

I've not counted up ships & planes lately, but the JMSDF - let's not call it a navy, even though it walks and quacks like one - would not be a pushover for the Red Chinee.
 
Here's hoping the Chinks get control of themselves.

[two-blocked]

In the event of war here could be serious repercussions for America. Empty Walmarts and no ramen.

[Dixie Dude]

I didn't know Japan had nukes, they have denied this, and their constitution doesn't allow it.  Now, they have F-16's and F-15's as well as a good "defensive ship" capability.  However without nukes, China could threaten them.  Maybe they should divide the area in two with Japan getting part and China getting part like the Europeans did with the North Sea.  Norway, England, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands all have a slice of the North Sea pie.  The oil under each slice goes to that country.  Some goes to BP, some to Shell, don't know if there are other oil companies based from the different countries. 
 
The conflict with China and Japan is serious. 
 
Oh, FYI Romney has about $500,000 in gold assets and Ron Paul has about $300,000 in gold assets.  Hmmm.  That tells you something. 

[BBF]

Dividing up the resources of that area is just to simple. BTW Japan doesn't have nukes of their own. If any  are on Japanese soil they would belong to the USA.

[briarpatch]

China owns us, we own the japs, China will call the clown and tell him they will stick a boot up his A&& so he better drop a dime on the japs and end it. Its over.

[mechanic]

China owns us, we own the japs, China will call the clown and tell him they will stick a boot up his A&& so he better drop a dime on the japs and end it. Its over.

Japan holds as much US debt as China.  Truth be told, we don't even own ourselves anymore...
 
Ben

[billy_56081]

The Chinese have been historicly poor at warfare. I can't see it in their best interest to start a war with Japan. But with BHO in office they may see a power vacuum in the world and try to step up. Would be interesting and entertaining to say the least. As for martial law coming here I doubt it, but if it does it is about time and we can finally settle our differences.

[finisher]

In the event of war here could be serious repercussions for America. Empty Walmarts and no ramen.

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To hell with Walmart and "Heart Attack in a Cup"