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Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« on: September 20, 2012, 11:38:27 AM »
I've seen this time and time again.  Then I do something stupid myself.

As told to me today by the wife of the Fairbanks raised man.  Two hunters were out hunting Moose in the Alaska Wilderness.  One was born and raised here in Fairbanks Alaska, the other one is from Outside.  (Outside means outside Alaska, usually the lower 48).  They had gotten off their 4-wheelers and walked about 25 to 30 yards to glass a valley.  Suddenly they got this funny feeling like they were being watched, and turned around.  Here came five Wolves single file, running towards them.  The wolves stopped between the hunters and their 4-wheelers.  Then the Wolves started spreading out, completely circling the two hunters.  The hunters realized they were now the hunted, and they were in serious trouble.  All they could think about at first was that their rifles were on the 4-wheelers.  Then one remembered his pistol, he pulled it and started firing into the air.  After firing five of six rounds, the wolves turned and started trotting away.  Then they remembered they were also looking for Wolves as well as Moose.  Too late the wolves were now running and even though they emptied both pistols, the Wolves got away.

I've seen this before when people are confronted with Wolves, they panic and forget all they need to do.  The instinct for survival, and the fear put there by looking into a Wolfs eyes is all it takes.  You realize there stands death, your death.  Looking death in the face is something some people just can not handle.

I have just spent the last 4 days out looking for a situation just like that and no good.  Then this morning we stopped at a campground on the way home to use the outhouse.  I left the Smith&Wesson in the truck thinking too many people around for anything to happen.  While I was in the outhouse a Black Bear came out of the woods and tried to get in.  Here I sit on the throne with a Black Bear trying to open the door.  The wife called me on my Cell phone to inform me it was a Black Bear.  I told her to shoot it, she said NO, I don't have a tag for Black Bear.  She started blowing the horn on the truck till it went away.  She called me to tell me it was all clear.  I got only myself to blame for not getting a Black Bear this trip.  That's what I get for leaving my pistol in the truck.  Oh well, there will be another day. 
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 12:52:26 PM »
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 01:50:23 PM »
thats a crazy story! if it was wolf season and they were legal why didnt they just shoot one? must be a condition like buk fever?maybe their pistols were only 22's? i also would refrain from shooting a wolf with a 22 pistol.

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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 03:07:10 PM »
Did the bear scare the crap out of you ? lol.  do you think the wolves would have attacked the 2 men ? How many cases are there of wolves killing humans in North America. Not trying to start anything- just asking cause I don't know.
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 03:30:33 PM »
SOURDOUGH. If it wasn't a mouse gun why waste ammo shooting up in the air??
Several years ago a friend of mine killed a large buck at dusk, he walked out to get his brother to help him with it. They went back with flashlites and found that a group, or pack, of coyotes claimed it and they weren't giving it up. Although armed they backed out and went back next day after it was daylite. They killed a couple and got what was left of his buck. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 03:51:00 PM »
Sourdough-


Good thing you were where you were.  That's a situation where first ya think it, then ya say it, then ya do it!
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 07:14:42 PM »
Wolves were in season, and they knew it.  Wolves and Bears are considered a bonus when Moose and Caribou hunting.  When they fir5st saw the Wolves they thought, "Wow this is cool".  Then when the Wolves stopped between them and their rifles they got concerned, but when the Wolves surrounded them they got scared.  That's when they did not think to shoot the Wolves, all they were thinking was survival, and scaring the Wolves off.  Only after the Wolves turned to run did they remember it was Wolf hunting season as well.  Like I said When one realizes he is looking death in the face, it's a whole different matter.  These men knew they were now the hunted, and soon to be pray/dinner. 

Yes Wolves kill and eat people.  Did you not hear about the school teacher out at Chignik, Alaska.  She was out for a jog and got caught by a pack of Wolves.  A good friend of mine went out there to do the investigation.  From the evidence he concluded, the Wolves attacked her and pulled her down.  She fought and got away, then ran.  The Wolves caught her and pulled her down again.  She fought and broke away a second time.  She ran farther this time, but they caught her a third time and pulled her down.  This time she could not fight them off.  They killed her and eat her on the spot. 

A year before that we had an old guy that loved to cross country ski.  This guy would ski down the Tanana River to Nenana one day, then ski back to Fairbanks the next day.  He usually did this on weekends.  One Monday he did not show up where he did volunteer work, and the people there got concerned.  They called the Troopers and reported him overdue.  Troopers sent a plane to search the route.  Plane saw the kill site from the air and called in a ground search unit.  Troopers found a bloody spot and his skis.  Farther up in the brush they found his back pack, and some of his clothing and a lot of blood in the snow.  Farther they found his skull and some chewed bones, and some skin, and bits of clothing.  Parts of him was scattered over a large area. 

Same year a woman stopped at the Arctic Circle rest stop on the Dalton highway (The Ice Road to you lower 48 folks) and as she walked to the outhouse she was attacked by a Wolf that bit her buttocks, trying hamstring her.  She was able to fight the wolf off and get into the outhouse.  The wolf kept her in the outhouse for several hours till another vehicle stopped.  The man in the second vehicle got out with a gun and ran the Wolf off.  This man noticed the Wolf was a lactating female, so he was hesitant to shoot her.  The woman in the outhouse came out and was taken to Fairbanks for medical treatment.  The following day, just up the road from the rest stop another Wolf attacked a bicyclist on the road.  As the guy was fighting and kicking at the Wolf a Trucker came along and swerved his big rig and hit the Wolf killing it.  This Wolf was a male, not the same one that attacked the woman the day before.

To Wolves, if they think they have the upper hand, man is just another meal.  They are higher on the food chain than man is unless man has a gun or other means of defending himself.

As for the Black Bear, wife said it was a small Bear anyway.  She said it was too small to hang on the wall, so she thought it best to run it off and let it grow up.

We spent two days in the blind where I shot that Grizzly three years ago.  Did not see anything but Ravens hitting the gut piles.  Heard Bull Moose grunting after Dark, and Cow Moose wailing after dark as well, but nothing during daylight.  A bull Moose came up and peed right behind the blind during the night.  I was lying there in my sleeping bag, and could hear him, but it was after the Northern Lights had quite and I could not see a thing.  Heard Wolves as well at night, but nothing during the day.  The Northern Lights were sure beautiful during the night tho, shimmering and lighting the entire sky up.  Light show dancing across the sky for hours, seeming so close you could almost reach up and touch them.
 
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2012, 04:08:20 AM »
Now Sourdough, you must admit that the bear at the outhouse door, not being able to converse in a language that you might understand was trying his best to let you know that he really had to go.  I'm just saying that you might have been able to wrap it up in a more timely manner.
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2012, 06:42:03 AM »
In those circumstances I would be irate. irate that someone else was in the outhouse; I would really have had to go at that moment. ;D ;D

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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2012, 06:58:03 AM »
I would think that unless there is a limit the hunters would be readying for a shot at the first sight of the pack of wolves.  I guess some just do not get to the hunting field except for a few days during certain seasons.  A seasoned hunter (at least to my mind) would at least be picking out a trophy from the pack. 


As for the two examples you list, if ambushed, and a human tries to flee (from the wolfs perspective, ie jogging, skiing, etc) instead of turning and fighting (with a gun) effectively and proving to be a menace rather than an easy meal things turn out better for the humans.
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2012, 07:20:49 AM »
I could never understand wasteing ammo by shooting into the air.
It must be the redneck in me that doesn't care about what is or what isn't in season when confronted with a dangerous animal.
Even if the wolves were not in season, I would have tried to scare the pack away with a round through one of their hides before shooting into the air.
Just think of the outcome if the pack attacked, after you fired your ammo into the air!
Where do these people get such silly ideas from??? :o
 
 
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2012, 07:44:24 AM »
I could never understand wasteing ammo by shooting into the air.
It must be the redneck in me that doesn't care about what is or what isn't in season when confronted with a dangerous animal.
Even if the wolves were not in season, I would have tried to scare the pack away with a round through one of their hides before shooting into the air.
Just think of the outcome if the pack attacked, after you fired your ammo into the air!
Where do these people get such silly ideas from??? :o
 
 
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Amen brother!  Many "hunters" are more for the fun times than real "killers". The fight or flight for may people is flight at any cost.

I agree with you, if it's them or me, and 22 or 45 the first "warning" shot from me would be the closest wolf, in the top of the noggin...
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2012, 07:53:33 AM »
I 3rd that.  I am shooting to kill and then worrying about what season it is after I am out of harms way.  I always tote my pistol when in the woods.  I believe most DNR agents would understand that it was in self defense.  Also, unless someone who cares sees you shoot it, what difference would it make.  The other wolves will be back to finish that one off later.  If those warning shots in the air didn't work, what you going to do then?  At least if you start shooting them, your odds of hand of hand to hand combat get better as you take them out.

Yeah, that first dead wolf is a warning shot to the rest of 'em.

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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2012, 08:04:50 AM »
I'll 4 th that, no sense in wasting ammo, kinda stupid. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2012, 08:05:27 AM »
Some folks watch too many movies.......leave the wolves alone and they will leave you alone.......I worry about other people in the woods, and the  momma animal protecting her young.

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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2012, 09:11:44 AM »
FPH, I guess sourdough made all of those accounts up then huh?

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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2012, 09:27:05 AM »
I think you can make yourself a victim by turning yourself into prey.  I've been stalked by one animal in 60 years that concerned me.  That animal was a large male Mountain Lion I picked up on an Elk hunt.  I never put my self in position to be attacked.  I think that if you exercise good judgement, you will be fine.

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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2012, 09:38:17 AM »
To most any predator the act of something fleeing turns that something into prey. Their natural instict is to chase and bring down.
Some folks watch too many movies.......leave the wolves alone and they will leave you alone? Wanna tell us what that pearl of wisdom is based on? I say some people watch too many cartoons! The hard core fact is that these days even Coyotes are losing their fear of man. That might be a good thing in a Disney cartoon but in real life it's something that has already gotten people killed. Shrinking habitat and lack of food makes animals hungry and desparate. They end up looking for easy prey and guess what? They often find that easy prey in the shape of a human. Yes, just like in an urban enviroment being aware of your surroundings is definitely a plus but just remember.....you don't pick the predator....the predator picks you!

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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2012, 09:57:28 AM »
Don't run and turn your self into prey.......these days I fear wild packs of domesticated dogs , coydogs, and man.  I give a healthy respect to Bear ad Mountain Lion ( I've seen what a mother Grizz is capable of).  My pearls of wisdom come from 50 + years hunting and camping in the high country.  Man has been my major problem.

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2012, 10:03:15 AM »
I never have believed that animals have any particular code of conduct.  I've been attacted by domestic dogs and I was just minding my own business--not fleeing, or intimidating in any fashion.  My rule of thumb is that if domestic animals will attack, who the heck knows what a wild animal will do if the mood stikes.
 
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 10:08:58 AM »
The scenario of 5 wolves surrounding the hunters is exactly why I started carrying back up to my deer hunting rifle.  I hear wolves a lot while up in the north woods.  I was sneaking up a hill by myself looking for grouse and was in the center of two different howling wolf packs.  I'm guessing they were within a 1/2 mile maybe closer by the sound of the howls.  If you are unarmed in the woods alone with howling wolves close by I guarantee you will think of them differently than you do while sitting in the comfort of your own home ;)


I have also been up north and had the wolves howling so close that I would not come out of my camper as it was so dark that I would not be able to see one right outside the door and would not want to end up like the lady that barely made it into the bathroom.



Without those shots being fired those two guys might not have been so lucky.  I also agree that the first warning shot should have been in the head of the closest wolf!  Predators will be Predators!


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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 11:34:33 AM »
Don't run and turn your self into prey.......these days I fear wild packs of domesticated dogs , coydogs, and man.  I give a healthy respect to Bear ad Mountain Lion ( I've seen what a mother Grizz is capable of).  My pearls of wisdom come from 50 + years hunting and camping in the high country.  Man has been my major problem.

Just compairing comments to the story... who ran?  These men walked away form there machines. Now if this looked like a retreat to the wolves, who knows, but it dosen't seem likely as the wolves where described as nonchilantly (sp) walking up on the hunters.

I agree with you 100 % ANY retreats are done without breaking eye contact.

ROGER that on bears with cubs!

Man being the #1 consideration, followed by wild dogs sure sounds like problems where you have populations of people, not the wilds of northern Alaska. In North Alaska, I don't imagion you run across too many folks...

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 12:09:44 PM »
You are right about the dogs......more on the flat lands with sparse population of people.  I still consider man to be my largest treat in Alaska or the Yukon. Animals are fairly predictable.  Man is a wild card.  Unfortunately,  I've come across too many wild cards.

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2012, 12:22:10 PM »
FPH, I'm not trying to be a smart alleck but you ever concider maybe you've just been lucky? You can't judge all animals by what one animal does nor what judge what one single animal will do based on what many do. They are as individual as people. I'm 59 years old and can say that I've spent most of my life in the woods and I've never been attacked by Coyotes. So would I be justified in saying Coyotes never attack and everyone else is safe from them? I could but it would be a rather foolish statement in light of the increasing number of Coyote attacks some ending in human death. Same goes for Wolves.

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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2012, 12:33:16 PM »
I'm about the same age and have spent a great amount of time in the mountains and plains.  I think you can ru across the one "rabid" animal ( which may behave atypically), but I think most wild animals do behave the same. ( We just need how to react to them).  I think this mystical aura we give to wolves ect. is bull.

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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2012, 12:49:17 PM »
True to an extent but an animal starving to death and looking for easy prey has nothing to do with rabies, nor is one looking for easy prey for any reason. Thing is, attacks on humans are becoming more frequent. Corner any animal and see what happens. By reducing their habitat and food sources they are deprived of food thus cornering them in a way they start looking at people as a food source. In the case of the recent Coyote attacks it wasn't just one renegade animal responsible it was whole packs.

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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2012, 12:57:37 PM »
Our experiences are obviously different.  We just need to agree to disagree.  Be safe out there.

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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2012, 01:06:25 PM »
Here in Alaska man is not the top of the food chain.  Wolves are a rung above us.  You don't have to run from them, these guys did not run.  They were standing their ground, but they were not using their heads.  First shot should have been a killing shot to the lead wolf.  The limit on Wolves is two per hunter, till November.  then the trapping regulations take affect with no limit on wolves.  If these guys had shot to kill as many as possable I seriously doubt they could have got more than two or three.  Not all five.

FPH- this was one of those situations where leaving them alone would have been dissasterous.  Like the guy two weeks ago in Denali Park.  He was just trying to get a picture, Why did the Grizzly kill and eat him?

I was talking to my son Sky at lunch today.  I told him about this incident.  Sky knows one of the guys, the one from Fairbanks.  He could not believe this guy was so dumb.  His words not mine.  Sky's first words were, "What happens when he runs out of bullets and the Wolves have not run".  "This guy carries a gun in the performance of his duties every day, and we might someday be depending on him to save someones life"?

With the number of Wolves increasing in the lower 48, at an alarming rate.  The number of Bunny Huggers may soon start declining rapidly.  Maybe if they hung those bear bells on their packs the Wolves could hear them coming.

These Wolves are not starving, now is a time of plenty for Wolves and other preditors, as all animals are trying to fatten up for the winter. 
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Re: Hunters panic when confronted by Wolves
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2012, 01:15:36 PM »
Oh, man is the top of the food chain even in Africa.......no question.  You speak like Alaska is some mythical area.

Like the guy two weeks ago in Denali Park.  He was just trying to get a picture, Why did the Grizzly kill and eat him?

Did you see the video?  The guy got foolishly close and ignored all the bear's warnings........the guy got what he asked for.

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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2012, 02:10:02 PM »
Man is not at the top of the food chain, unless he has a weapon of some type to defend himself with.  If we were at the top that dumbXXXX in Denali Park would not have been eaten, or these guys would not have been confronted by these Wolves.  In this area Grizzlies are at the top of the food chain.  Those Wolves would not have even considered attacking a Grizzly.  They would have quietly left the area when they realized a Grizzly was present.

The Grizzly that attacked me that night I was sleeping in my tent was being left alone.  I had done nothing to make myself a target, I had a clean camp.  I had followed all the rules they say that will prevent an attack.  Yet I was jumped on.  I laid there for 4 days till I was able to crawl into my track vehicle and drive out to the highway.  We had no means of calling for a rescue back then.  It was two weeks before I could stand up and walk upright.  I think of that every time I see a Grizzly Bear.  I don't hate Grizzlies, but I will not hesitate to shoot one either.
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