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Re: Pot plants as big as trees. This'll get some of ya drooling.
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2012, 10:14:55 AM »
YT3, I think your bias against LEOs  makes you doubt that most wrecks are caused by alcohol, drugs and speed.... or you don't watch your local news... or you are an imbiber that wants your dope of choice legalized before you get caught.
I think your personal antipathy towards me prevents you from seeing clearly.
http://www.alcoholfacts.org/MADDtruth.html
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1070552005.html
http://www.alcoholfacts.org/CASAAlcoholStatisticsAbuse.html
http://www.duigulag.com/stats.htm
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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2012, 11:22:51 AM »
The hemp advocates claim a lot beneficial uses for industrial hemp like fabric, energy, etc. plus medicinal uses. Can you imagine  what type of hemp plants we could have if people put all the energy and resources into industrial hemp as they have into recreational/medicinal pot? It seems to me to be a crying shame not to use a plant that could have so many beneficial uses just because our " leaders" are protecting us from such an "evil weed"!
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Tobster, the ironic thing about it is that "industrial" hemp requires significantly LESS nurturing, maintenance, and manicuring than the stuff that people consume for "recreational" use. You pretty much water it and it grows. It is not crowd sensitive either (the industrial type that is) and when left to grow in its natural state, it produces seeds by the ton.


Rapidly renewable, non soil depleting, and high oxygen producing.

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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2012, 12:24:33 PM »
YT3, I think your bias against LEOs  makes you doubt that most wrecks are caused by alcohol, drugs and speed.... or you don't watch your local news... or you are an imbiber that wants your dope of choice legalized before you get caught.
I think your personal antipathy towards me prevents you from seeing clearly.
http://www.alcoholfacts.org/MADDtruth.html
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1070552005.html
http://www.alcoholfacts.org/CASAAlcoholStatisticsAbuse.html
http://www.duigulag.com/stats.htm
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Very interesting reading YT. Thank you.


Having read these articles, one may gain a more clear understanding of what it is to "speak with a forked tongue".
Statistics must never be taken at face value nor quoted as gospel truth.
Unfortunately, the search for fact (not truth; if you want truth, take a philosophy class), requires more work and research than the average "Joe" will ever put in.

Certainly seems like there are a whole lot of "Chicken Little's" running around. Was it a wolf or a fox in the old story? Wonder who at the top is playing that part in this human drama.

The weak minded are many and easily influenced and manipulated. I sometimes think philosophically that it was for this purpose, to begin with, that we were made...to be led as sheep and to serve as slaves for someone elses "glory". To who or what, I do not know. But this trait seems very predominate in the majority of people.

I digress, so much for philosophy and "truth", but keep searching for fact, and question always.

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« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2012, 12:33:03 PM »
The weak minded are many and easily influenced and manipulated.
If you say so.  at least my mind is not being altered by acohol and illegal drugs.

If you condone something, you are willing to do it yourself if the occasion arises.
drugs, alcohol, gays etc. 
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« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2012, 12:49:40 PM »
The weak minded are many and easily influenced and manipulated.
If you say so.  at least my mind is not being altered by acohol and illegal drugs.

If you condone something, you are willing to do it yourself if the occasion arises.
drugs, alcohol, gays etc.
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I say so.


And I HAVE NEITHER CONDONED NOR CONDEMNED ANYTHING and I endeavor, although not always successfully, to refrain from condemning anyone or thing for my slate is FAR from clean and it is hardly my place to do so.


Nor is my mind "altered" by any foreign substance. But I am all too aware of the tactics used by those who would seek to manipulate my ability to analyze and distinguish fact from fallacy in order to promote their insidious agendas.

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« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2012, 01:06:23 PM »
Man made alcohol. God made marijuana. Which one do you trust? ;)
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  God also made squash, strychnine, apples, castor bean, peanuts, arsenic, oranges, bella donna and carrots...
 
   Incidentally, He also placed a brain in our head so we could discriminate between whats good for us and what is bad or deadly..
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  Below; see what the use of some of that "good stuff" does...  Perhaps it would make some proud to elect someone who advocates allowing the junk to be legalized..but if I were to vote for such a person...I would have to bear my well-earned shame indefinitely..
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« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2012, 01:51:19 PM »
The weak minded are many and easily influenced and manipulated.
If you say so.  at least my mind is not being altered by acohol and illegal drugs.

If you condone something, you are willing to do it yourself if the occasion arises.
drugs, alcohol, gays etc.
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I say so.


And I HAVE NEITHER CONDONED NOR CONDEMNED ANYTHING and I endeavor, although not always successfully, to refrain from condemning anyone or thing for my slate is FAR from clean and it is hardly my place to do so.


Nor is my mind "altered" by any foreign substance. But I am all too aware of the tactics used by those who would seek to manipulate my ability to analyze and distinguish fact from fallacy in order to promote their insidious agendas.
If you identify with obama and his minions, you are endorsing all the things I mentioned.
we are judged by the company we keep and I keep company with people who look down on the things you democrats look forward to.
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« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2012, 04:17:22 PM »
Just saying, alcohol is the worst and most used drug out there but ya don't hear many calling for it to be outlawed do ya? But even there it's the people abusing it that causes problems. As far as Marijuana it's like anything else God created. Anything can be abused and man always seems to find a way. As Cherokee I was taught the Creator gave us plants to cure any illness. Marijuana has many medical uses and is in more medicines than most have a clue. However people sure like to blame objects for their own failings. A lot of people preaching against Marijauna do so with a drink in their hand and probably a few under their belt. I just don't see the lack of hypocrisy there. If most would admit it the only reason alcohol is legal and Marijuana isn't is simply because alcohol is much easier for the government to control. Not everyone can make booze but anyone can grow a plant.

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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2012, 05:12:52 PM »
The weak minded are many and easily influenced and manipulated.
If you say so.  at least my mind is not being altered by acohol and illegal drugs.

If you condone something, you are willing to do it yourself if the occasion arises.
drugs, alcohol, gays etc.
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I say so.


And I HAVE NEITHER CONDONED NOR CONDEMNED ANYTHING and I endeavor, although not always successfully, to refrain from condemning anyone or thing for my slate is FAR from clean and it is hardly my place to do so.


Nor is my mind "altered" by any foreign substance. But I am all too aware of the tactics used by those who would seek to manipulate my ability to analyze and distinguish fact from fallacy in order to promote their insidious agendas.
If you identify with obama and his minions, you are endorsing all the things I mentioned.
we are judged by the company we keep
and I keep company with people who look down on the things you democrats look forward to.
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I am not nor have I ever been a member of the Democratic party nor do I "identify" much with any kind of GROUP stupidity.


I have endorsed only the cessation of a wasteful and corrupted; ill-focused and at the root, greed motivated campaign against a plant... an herb!!! ....that has numerous beneficial uses to mankind other than recreational consumption.


As far as being judged, the only entity of any significance by whom I am concerned with being judged, I feel keeps himself, or itself (or whatever ideology to which you may submit) well above the perceptive limitations of those who see the world in black and white or Democratic and Republican and would resort to labeling...name calling no less at a point where until now, this topic his managed to retain a higher ground of civility.


You cannot put me in any labeled, ideological box other than "free and analytical thinker" and other than life itself, the ability to think freely and analytically is the gift from my maker for which I am most grateful but which most others these days, seem to have misplaced in a single book or a glowing screen.

One can miss quite a bit of life and the world when spending too much time "looking down" upon so many things that are insignificant when put in perspective with the bigger picture. There will be human weakness and wretchedness always, in a pathetic struggle. Look UP at the good things YOU've got. Live and love while you still can.

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« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2012, 07:40:58 PM »
IG, it is PRIMARILY the black market environment (along with personal choices) that produce these results. Surely you've never heard of anyone claiming to have worked two or three minimum wage jobs in order to pay for the black market prices of their habit; prices that are the direct result of the prohibition of these drugs.


Only people who earn the wages of doctors, lawyers and politicians;  the pillars of society) could possibly manage that. And please don't tell me that you actually believe that the latter addict does not exist. Say it ain't so, please IG. Please tell me that you don't really believe this.


But everyone else ends up resorting to illegal activities for quick cash. Removing the illegal element drives prices down, removing the illegal profit value and thereby removing the necessity of the violent criminal element. No one is going to go killing people in the street over competition or debts; no one is going to go sell their tail for something they can pick up with a permit at any legal dispensary or grow or manufacture themselves.


And no, I do not relish the idea of an MD operating on me when he's coked out or hung over, but like you said, that is a matter of the MD's personal character, and unfortunately we are all connected in this sense. But I will say that I have no problem what so ever with employers doing random drug testing.


Are overpaid, door smashing, uniformed goons with guns truly going to save us from ourselves? I don't see where they have been much of a deterrent thus far. It would have been interesting to see what would have come of the Volstead act had it continued for say another twenty years.


I just don't get how people do not make the connection between the prohibition and the crime and corruption element. If it were not alcohol or marijuana, it would be something else. And like I said, people will weigh the odds and do what they will, and I feel, they'll do so even more fervently out of defiance because somebody said "no you can't". It's just the childish natures of some.


Many growers here in Oregon with whom I've talked are from out of state and have told me that they stopped smoking all together after they became "legal" because the act of defiance was no longer there and it just wasn't "fun" any more. It seems to me that the more you try to tighten your grip on people, the more they will defy.


On my very first command in the Navy; an Admirals Garrison Flagship no less, they tried imposing "Cinderella liberty" (0000 hours) for all E-4 and below in foreign ports to discourage intoxication and to maintain the high image of the Admirals Staff  ::) ::) , (yeah sure buddy). It was a disaster! That first night out there were a dozen cases of alcohol poisoning due to guys trying to get in as much party time as they could before midnight, and the shore patrol must have brought in half the crew for fighting and other related incidents.


Command issued a statement threatening severe consequences for further incidents and yet it had no effect. Same result in the next port. I believe it was Victoria, Canada. We were scheduled for a four day stop and on the second night, a large bunch of the crew ranging from low grade officers on down wrecked a very nice club while brawling with an even larger bunch of locals. But, everyone made it back to the ship before midnight  ;D .  The local authorities knew it was us because we were the only ship in port, and they informed command, but no one, not one of the crew involved said a word and none of the Canadian authorities were allowed on board to question any one. We set back to sea at 0430 that same morning. Fastest turn around I ever saw.


Everyone got a ship wide "reaming" from the "Man" on the flight deck for about an hour and a half and we screwed ourselves out of our liberty at our Portland and Pearl Harbor stops, which were always pretty good ones. So then it was seven weeks sailing around in circles in the Sea of Japan, a decent typhoon, and then Yakusaka. No "Cinderella liberty" this time, and what do you know, not one incident. Go figure.

Just human nature I guess, but back to how it relates to the marijuana issue.


 If you ever watch "Cops" when they raid a house and recover maybe an ounce of coke, a couple guns, and maybe a pound or two of marijuana; and you tally up total street value (and I mean actual street value and not the inflated taxable numbers that the officials give) then weigh it with the cost in man hours to the tax payer, you would find that the majority of the time the tax payers pay more money to get these amounts (that are puny in comparison with what isn't seized) off the street than what they would actually be worth were they regulated and taxed. Seems very counter productive. But as I stated before, it is in our natures to cut off our noses to spite our own faces.


Very rarely will aggressive and militant action save anyone from themselves in the long term.  I've seen the faces first hand IG and I agree that it is tragic and painful to see people destroy themselves, but from my point of view, the whole prohibition industry on both sides, legal or illegal are thriving while the user is swept away in the profitable  wake created by it.


Much more can be achieved by removing the black market profit element, than will ever be achieved by attempting to impose prohibitive standards of CONSENSUAL behavior upon a so called free society.








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« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2012, 01:55:18 AM »
Much more can be achieved by removing the black market profit element, than will ever be achieved by attempting to impose prohibitive standards of CONSENSUAL behavior upon a so called free society.
but what of all the pensions and kingdoms and fiefdoms and rice bowls supported by The War?
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« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2012, 02:18:04 AM »
Your body is a temple, don't defile it.
http://jesusisthelight.net/ALCOHOL.htm#NA

to be casual about things in the Bible, puts a person in the lukewarm category.
http://bible.cc/revelation/3-16.htm

I try to keep my eye on the prize by following Gods word and that includes being active in the battle against DRUGS, alcohol and abortion.

the so-called harmless drug "marijuana" is, in fact harmful.
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« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2012, 03:55:30 AM »
   "Silly-cibin" mushrooms grew in the cow pies around home...we ate them raw or brewed them into tea. Whew, I'm not sure the Devil didn't grow that stuff, ha.
 

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« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2012, 06:09:10 AM »
Pot was legal until the 1930's . Since the war on drugs started has it stopped its use ? Have presidents tried it ? Someone posted pictures of said effects , how about fast food and corn sugar ? post some diabetics with feet missing or blind people . How about hard work and the people who are worn out ? post some pictures of retired construction workers or coal miners if you can find any.
Out lawing something has little effect really and that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you vote for someone who wants to spend more to put high school kids in jail and taking their vote away evaporates when you realize its costing more money than it gives benifits to us .
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« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2012, 06:20:19 AM »
When I first started out as a cop, the state used to send out a flier for volunteers from different agencies to destroy MJ fields. I was making 7.50 an hour as a cop, this detail would be 10.35 an hour. I requested to go and was approved. We cut down these fields and burned it. Weeks of cutting and piling it up followed by burning. You can figure it out we got a nice little high from what we were destroying. Was nice to make that extra money for a few months.
 
Smoke what you want, drink what you want, go or don't go to the church you want. It is up to you. Each needs to make up their own mind. Right now MJ is not legal so if you get caught it's on you. Driving while intoxicated either dope or drink is up to you, no whinning about fines and jail you chose it. With liberty comes responsibility.

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« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2012, 08:30:31 AM »
Your body is a temple, don't defile it.
http://jesusisthelight.net/ALCOHOL.htm#NA

to be casual about things in the Bible, puts a person in the lukewarm category.
http://bible.cc/revelation/3-16.htm

I try to keep my eye on the prize by following Gods word and that includes being active in the battle against DRUGS, alcohol and abortion.

the so-called harmless drug "marijuana" is, in fact harmful.
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No sir, I do not take a "casual" view to things in the Bible at all. I fully realize the extent of the power within this book as well as the dangers present when it's words are interpreted and wielded unwisely. Not casual at all. I simply have a much different perspective compared to most - view it through much different eyes.


If this is what you perceive as gods word, and this is how you interpret it, and this is the full extent of your perspective then I suppose you should be commended on such levels.


I myself have not once said that the recreational use of marijuana was "harmless". I do not feel that it is harmless. But this is not the point of what I'm stressing. My point deals with free agency and the pitfalls of imposing ones will (whatever the motivation, be it moral, religious) upon the consensual activities of a touted "free society".


Sure, let's just crusade to force everyone to do what we all think they should do so they can all go back to heaven, whether it is their choice or not. Why guide and tend the "flock" when we can just lock 'em up and keep them right where we want them. If I recall correctly, it was similar thinking of a certain someone that sparked the war in heaven, and ultimately brought about the fall of said certain someone.


By the way, try drinking anything but lukewarm water after swimming five miles, and then running five or ten miles in 110 degrees with fifty pounds of weight strapped to you. Hot water would put you into almost instant heat stroke and cool water would put your body into shock resulting in muscle cramps, convulsions and potential cardio and respiratory shutdown, thereby killing you.


Although I have abused it at different points in my life, it is because I have treated my body as a Temple at other points in my life that I know this and that at 42 years of age, I can still do this (just not quite as easily as I did at age 21).


Interpreting casually and unwisely, things that are certain only in ones mind or heart and then sticking to them with unyielding rigidity can also be harmful to ones health.




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« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2012, 10:31:55 AM »
Want an excuse to insist others think as you do, act as you do, live as you do? Simple, just say it's God's will! The most common excuse ever made.My body a temple? It's more like a log cabin and I'm fine with that. :)

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« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2012, 11:14:09 AM »
finisher, you are a good word-smith  left leaning of course.  liberals and libertarians both want open the drug floodgates and wash away kids that might otherwise choose to not break the law.
look at Ecclesiastes 10:2  and you'll probably find your picture.
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« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2012, 09:44:58 PM »
finisher, you are a good-smith.  left leaning of course.  liberals and libertarians both want open the drug floodgates and wash away kids that might otherwise choose to not break the law.
look at Ecclesiastes 10:2  and you'll probably find your picture.
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If the "flood gates" are open then who"s law do you presume the children will be breaking; gods law or mans? It cannot be man's law if the LEGAL flood gates are open. But as to gods law, I say that everyone will make their own choices; wise or unwise depending on the guidance they've received. And every one will answer individually to god regardless of mans law.

My views and interpretations of "the word" are not as face valued as those of most because of the endless conflict and contradiction that I have seen in it's dogma.

I grew up around and have lived in some of the most crime ridden and dangerous neighborhoods in the country and I've avoided or saved myself from all the pitfalls. This was not the result of a simple interpretation of left or right, but the result of passive guidance and positive influence from family and mentors who chose not to place a yoke around my neck in regards to my upbringing, but rather walked me through the "valley of the shadow of death" (if you will) showing me all the ugly realities.

By the time I was nineteen years old, I had witnessed murders, robberies, police corruption, drug use, prostitution...you name it. I've even seen the police "murder" a couple people in drug raids. Of course when they do it, it somehow always ends up legally justified in the eyes of those who would impose these goons upon an already self destructive society.

Their actions never made sense to me (you had to be there). Nor did there conduct. Brutish, sadistic, foul mouthed men saving society from itself. No. The noble crusade that everyone tries to paint, is not the "picture" that I witnessed growing up on the streets of LA.

And it was the imposition of these enforcers...these... nabobs and their goons that truly fueled my interest in exploring darker paths. I already understood that these things were self destructive, but I could not grasp the self righteous attitudes of these people, or why the money and resources wasted in their almost fanatical campaigns.

Before I was to judge anyone involved, I thought perhaps I should sail some of the same seas and weather some of the same storms as those on both sides of the "war".

I came to this notion as a pre-teen but still had only the narrow perspective of "our side" and "theirs", "right" and "left"; and it wasn't until later when I learned to research, analyze, and debate; that I began to see the whole picture of th black market trade, obscene amounts of money, corruption, and abuses of power and their direct connections to the government, law enforcement and corrections industry. It wasn't as much of an industry back then as it is today.

There is an obscene amount of money to be made in enforcing drug prohibition from the politicians (with only their own interests at heart), to the street cop, to the paramedics that deal with the aftermath of the violence (again, a by product of the prohibition itself and not so much the consumption), to the prosecutors and judges, clerks, and the dozens of deputies that sit around in the court houses doing nothing...NOTHING but BSing and sitting on their tails while herding everyone along while making $35 per hour of my taxes plus full benefits and pension.

The money flows even further to the contractors that build the prisons, and the maintenance people and the corrections officers, not to mention the pay offs that allow drugs to flow quite well inside the prison walls. From my perspective the criminalizing of anything consensual has the potential to generate quite a bit of cash flow...whoever said crime doesn't pay. It certainly pays all of the aforementioned.

This is all the result of the enforcement of the prohibition and not the substance itself. The anti gun people try to apply the same logic; that it is the mere existence of the gun that brings about the crime; and I'm sure you don't by into that or you wouldn't be on this site.

No sir. I've seen far more than my first hand share of the "war on drugs" and from many different angles; not just here at home but in many other parts of the world, and it is always the same scenario.

The grace that guides me and has delivered me from this horror and kept me alive through plenty more of man's stupidity  is not like a simple metronome ticking left or right, leaning one way or the other as that of a doomed listing ship at sea that is unstable and will only drift in circles.
I prefer my perspective well ballasted as that of a ship that cuts through the water deep, straight, and true while sailing confidently and AWARE through what ever seas come its way (hows that for a metaphor ;D ). That is grace. Yet another gift for which I am truly thankful and which without, I could never have survived.

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« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2012, 11:48:12 PM »
this kinda reminds me of communism, it's been tried and failed many times.

legalizing drugs has been tried and failed.  here's something for your reading pleasure.

http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fiction_drug_legalization_works.html
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« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2012, 12:38:03 AM »
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I could post pictures of folks who weight 500 punds and use the same arguement for controlling folks who eat too much or have a disposition to do so.
Folks with weakness's have a penchance to fulfill the need to satisfy these needs. The State does not have the money to correct these weakness's ----OR---the ability.
I don't think I will ever be able to understand how somefolks fear what can happen and will give up liberty to those that say they can prevent by power, and see that laws don't prevent anything.
I see folks that want to create heaven on earth but cannot.
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« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2012, 01:57:28 AM »
Why do people who cry for less govt. control want stiffer laws on pot ? Pot is a moral issue much like drinking or smoking or as William pointed out eating . It's one thing for govt. to try and influnce people ( by taxes) to do the healthy thing but to spend billions to no avail seems wasteful. Make it legal and tax it then the ones using it can pay for its control and regulation. There are laws to protect the public already on the books. You can drug test workers and drivers . What would happen if the billions spent to catch pot smokers was used to educate them ? If it were not illegal how many would not try it since it was no longer a big deal ?
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« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2012, 03:28:58 AM »
Why do people who cry for less govt. control want stiffer laws on pot ? Pot is a moral issue much like drinking or smoking or as William pointed out eating . It's one thing for govt. to try and influnce people ( by taxes) to do the healthy thing but to spend billions to no avail seems wasteful. Make it legal and tax it then the ones using it can pay for its control and regulation. There are laws to protect the public already on the books. You can drug test workers and drivers . What would happen if the billions spent to catch pot smokers was used to educate them ? If it were not illegal how many would not try it since it was no longer a big deal ?
I smoked a joint circa 1970, and I was as much a menace on the road as if I'd drank a 12-pack.
if it's legalized, the dopers won't buy it and pay taxes.  they'll have a dope garden wide open for the neighborhood kids to help themselves.
for taxes to be collected, the dope will have to be sold in convenience stores etc. which would make the price higher and lead to the same old black-market dope sales.
alcohol is controlled and taxed, but enough people prefer to buy the cheaper "shine" that it's still a good business venture.
and where do we stop legalizing things?  of course we could just become anarchists and live by the gun.
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« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2012, 03:43:32 AM »
Why do people who cry for less govt. control want stiffer laws on pot ? Pot is a moral issue much like drinking or smoking or as William pointed out eating . It's one thing for govt. to try and influnce people ( by taxes) to do the healthy thing but to spend billions to no avail seems wasteful. Make it legal and tax it then the ones using it can pay for its control and regulation. There are laws to protect the public already on the books. You can drug test workers and drivers . What would happen if the billions spent to catch pot smokers was used to educate them ? If it were not illegal how many would not try it since it was no longer a big deal ?
I smoked a joint circa 1970, and I was as much a menace on the road as if I'd drank a 12-pack.It would be illegal then as it is now !
if it's legalized, the dopers won't buy it and pay taxes.  they'll have a dope garden wide open for the neighborhood kids to help themselves.Unless we change to ATFEand POT  ;D point is some will find ways to break the law no matter what. Others will obey the law if given the chance.
for taxes to be collected, the dope will have to be sold in convenience stores etc. which would make the price higher and lead to the same old black-market dope sales.I disagree here , I have heard pot sells for over $100.00 and oz . I would expect it to cost about what cigs go for . We can differ here .
alcohol is controlled and taxed, but enough people prefer to buy the cheaper "shine" that it's still a good business venture.
and where do we stop legalizing things?  of course we could just become anarchists and live by the gun.Your point ? I work in both plumbing and HVAC. I see enough people ( we often have to repair the mess ) still doing work in both trades with out a lic. which is illegal also unless they own the system.
we are pay(pizzing away) money to catch people doing something you and presidents , and other people have done with no more ill effect than drinking . I'm tired of paying for it .
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« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2012, 05:37:23 AM »
well, it all boils down to the fact that a lot of people don't give a hoot about anyone but themselves.
every time I see on the news, the death of innocent people by a drunk or a doper, it reveals just how far this country has sank.
were it in my power, I could stop the majority of drunks and dopers, by simply making them terrified to drink, smoke or snort and then get in a car/truck/bike and drive.

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« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2012, 10:30:15 AM »
well, it all boils down to the fact that a lot of people don't give a hoot about anyone but themselves.
every time I see on the news, the death of innocent people by a drunk or a doper, it reveals just how far this country has sank.
were it in my power, I could stop the majority of drunks and dopers, by simply making them terrified to drink, smoke or snort and then get in a car/truck/bike and drive.I would support you ! but no need to make smoking pot illegal as the laws about driving already cover it. Which is the problem most of the time , the laws on the books are not enforced in the court room or not tuff enough. As far as I'm concerned one DUI and no more driving for life .

WHEN YOU GIVE UP THE FIGHT FOR RIGHT, WRONG WILL RUN RAMPANT!!!
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« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2012, 11:29:04 AM »
well, it all boils down to the fact that a lot of people don't give a hoot about anyone but themselves.
every time I see on the news, the death of innocent people by a drunk or a doper, it reveals just how far this country has sank.
were it in my power, I could stop the majority of drunks and dopers, by simply making them terrified to drink, smoke or snort and then get in a car/truck/bike and drive.I would support you ! but no need to make smoking pot illegal as the laws about driving already cover it. Which is the problem most of the time , the laws on the books are not enforced in the court room or not tuff enough. As far as I'm concerned one DUI and no more driving for life .

WHEN YOU GIVE UP THE FIGHT FOR RIGHT, WRONG WILL RUN RAMPANT!!!
when someone is killed by a drunk or a doper, does his jail time or fine bring back that person. no.
why wait until a family loses a mom or dad or child.
make the penalty so severe for possession that any thinking person wouldn't want to possess drugs or alcohol.  and since dealers are selling deadly products, execute them.
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« Reply #87 on: October 09, 2012, 02:33:26 PM »
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and since dealers are selling deadly products, execute them.

Is that what Jesus would have done?
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« Reply #88 on: October 09, 2012, 09:03:49 PM »
well, it all boils down to the fact that a lot of people don't give a hoot about anyone but themselves.
every time I see on the news, the death of innocent people by a drunk or a doper, it reveals just how far this country has sank.
were it in my power, I could stop the majority of drunks and dopers, by simply making them terrified to drink, smoke or snort and then get in a car/truck/bike and drive.

WHEN YOU GIVE UP THE FIGHT FOR RIGHT, WRONG WILL RUN RAMPANT!!!
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It's not enough that we already have laws that deal with these unfortunate events. But now, we should "terrorize" them. The issue is not about impaired driving.

This statement made me  recall all the things that were taught to us about Communist Russia during the cold war after I read this quote of yours in red and I thought the same thing that you said in your  post here.




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« Reply #89 on: October 09, 2012, 09:47:50 PM »
well, it all boils down to the fact that a lot of people don't give a hoot about anyone but themselves.
every time I see on the news, the death of innocent people by a drunk or a doper, it reveals just how far this country has sank.
were it in my power, I could stop the majority of drunks and dopers, by simply making them terrified to drink, smoke or snort and then get in a car/truck/bike and drive.I would support you ! but no need to make smoking pot illegal as the laws about driving already cover it. Which is the problem most of the time , the laws on the books are not enforced in the court room or not tuff enough. As far as I'm concerned one DUI and no more driving for life .

WHEN YOU GIVE UP THE FIGHT FOR RIGHT, WRONG WILL RUN RAMPANT!!!
when someone is killed by a drunk or a doper, does his jail time or fine bring back that person. no.
why wait until a family loses a mom or dad or child.
make the penalty so severe for possession that any thinking person wouldn't want to possess drugs or alcohol.  and since dealers are selling deadly products, execute them.
Perhaps I did not write it in a concise enough manner. In an earlier post I stated that I have been to countries where dealing drugs IS a death sentence; and mere possession of a certain quantity is a twenty year to life sentence; and usage will get you a public caning (someone like you may get a kick out of witnessing one of these).


This policy has done nothing to curb the usage, dealing, or corruption at the LE and government level.


I have lost friends and family not to usage, but as collateral damage of the "war on drugs" itself. Drunk drivers? Yup had a   couple friends and one family member taken by that as well.

As far as legalization in certain countries passing or failing as your posted article referenced, in what aspect exactly, has it failed. Was it supposed to succeed in magically making drug users disappear?

Many of the problems pointed out by that article can and are brought on by circumstances other than the mere legalization. This article is vague at best as it presents no direct correlation. Have you ever been to the Baltic. It's no different in respect to the presence of drugs and gangsters.

Right across the water from these "pot legal" cafes, when I was still in the service, they had people dragging other people out into the streets and raping them and shooting them; women, children!!! While we were under orders to STAND DOWN!!! Bet none of you ever heard about that in the news.

These monsters did these things to these people because those people didn't think the way they did; they were different, PERIOD! And the murederers attitude of IMPOSITION was identical to your own! Oh yeah...they also claimed the high and mighty self righteous cross of Christianity. And we let it happen. That is what ONE SIDED thinking will always lead to.

I realize that it does not pertain to the issue, but I see the same thinking and logic (if that is what you call it) in these arguments and it is as disturbing and frightening to me as any other misguided zeal in this world and throughout history.