Author Topic: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.  (Read 2048 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« on: October 11, 2012, 07:33:54 AM »
Read full story at link. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
 
Last year, Mexican authorities made two major busts in the quiet central state of Queretaro, seizing nearly 500 tons of precursor chemicals and 3.4 tons of pure meth with a street value of more than $100 million. In Sinaloa, investigators found a sophisticated underground lab equipped with an elevator and ventilation systems as well as cooking and sleeping facilities. The facility was reachable only by a nearly 100-foot tunnel with its opening concealed under a tractor shed.
 
And in February, soldiers in western Mexico made a historic seizure: 15 tons of pure methamphetamine, a haul that could have supplied 13 million doses worth more than $4 billion.
The meth problem is spilling into other parts of Latin America too. In December and January, Mexican authorities seized nearly 900 tons of precursor chemicals at Mexican ports, almost all of it bound for Guatemala, which seized about 1,600 tons of meth precursors in 2011 — four times the 400 tons seized there a year earlier.
 
For now, cocaine remains far and away the cartels' most profitable drug. The RAND Corp. estimates that Mexican traffickers earn $30 billion in annual export revenue from cocaine, $20 billion from heroin, and about $5 billion from meth.
But cocaine is getting more expensive and less pure. According to the DEA, the price per pure gram of cocaine rose 59 percent from 2007 through September 2011. At the same time, the purity level dropped 25 percent.
 
Cocaine also typically comes from Colombia, meaning Mexican cartels serve as middle men who compete against each other to smuggle it into the U.S. That marginalizes their profits.
Because methamphetamine is a synthetic drug that the cartels can make for themselves, the profit potential is enormous.
 
"It's not plant-based," Weisheit said. "It can be completely produced in Mexico. It's very compact, and that makes it easy to smuggle."
Based on reporting by the Associated Press.
Follow us on twitter.com/foxnewslatinohttp://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.pngLike us at facebook.com/foxnewslatino


Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/10/11/cartels-flooding-us-with-cheap-meth/?test=latestnews#ixzz290qjSPfK
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 11:13:41 AM »
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline Doublebass73

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (46)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4579
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 01:42:53 PM »
If we legalize it, the problems will go away. ::)

http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fiction_drug_legalization_works.html

You're right, we should instead continue what we've been doing for the last 40 years because it is working so well.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

Offline yellowtail3

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5664
  • Gender: Male
  • Oh father of the four winds, fill my sails!
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 02:06:27 PM »
If we legalize it, the problems will go away. ::)
http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fiction_drug_legalization_works.html

Be aware that the above website is a DEA site. They're a very dubious source of info on the subject, as their very existence is contingent upon continuing the War on (some) Drugs. They're one of these fiefdoms with power & pensions at stake - only a fool would think them an objective source. READER BEWARE!
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

Offline Jack Ripper

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 42
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 10:30:13 AM »
Meth should never be legalized, that stuff is horrible. Have you ever seen what it does to a person in about a years time. The real walking dead. I  dont use drugs but I would agree marajuana should be legalized, but other drugs like Coke, heroin, and meth no way. Talk about destroying the fabric of society,
Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the war room. Lifetime member of shootin stuff.

Offline williamlayton

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15415
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 01:31:40 AM »
Here is the real arguement we are having !
What can we do, as Americans, to keep folks from becoming addicts to any form of drugs ?
Any real suggesstions as to keep folks  from theirownselves ?
Blessings
TEXAS, by GOD

Offline turk762

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 192
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 01:48:51 AM »
If we legalize it, the problems will go away. ::)

http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fiction_drug_legalization_works.html

You're right, we should instead continue what we've been doing for the last 40 years because it is working so well.
Like a broken record,its not working, its not working.
Laws are deterence, it keeps honest people honest, it does not make scumbags honest law abiding citizens.
 
Murder has been illegal for 10s of thousands of years, people still do it. Should we make it legal???
Rape has been illegal for a long time, People still do it. Make it legal???
 
Your arguement that people still do it, so make it legal is a lame one, come up with a legitamit agrument and maybe someone would take it seriously.
 
Its not working because our country is becoming a chemically dependant country, illegal drugs, legal drugs, and alcohol. Now that is something to be proud of.

Offline BUGEYE

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10268
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 01:52:56 AM »
Here is the real arguement we are having !
What can we do, as Americans, to keep folks from becoming addicts to any form of drugs ?
Any real suggesstions as to keep folks  from theirownselves ?
Blessings
make penalties severe for use and especially for dealing.  come back to God and become one voice against it.  liberals and libertarians want to legalize dope and that just stirs up the drug culture and wins them some votes.  the above two parties accuse conservatives of fighting a losing cause, but those same two parties refuse to give dopers a severe sentence, choosing instead, a slap on the wrist.   those who call themselves Christians should speak out in a loud voice.
http://jesusisthelight.net/ALCOHOL.htm
Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     Patrick Henry

Give me liberty, or give me death
                                     bugeye

Offline williamlayton

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15415
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 08:44:11 AM »
Who make the bad choices or maybe, who is making the choices and why.
How are you going to make a penalty of speeding so severe that folks will give in and not do it.
Now---what are you going to do if someone is a poor driver?
You say all that you have said about dopers and murder--what about driving which takes more lives tahn those other two together and not all or even a significant number are related to  those two crimes you mention. Yes--I know that booze is listed as one of the major contributors--but I disagree.
An oderly person drinks three beers and is involved in an accident----no one has to prove it was because he was drunk to incapacitation---I doubt that many of these statistics are well investigated.
How do you prevent hunting accidents? What about suicides? Riding a bicycle on a street. lets start a war on bad bicycle drivers.
All it takes is money from the taxpayers and we can fund a program and write a report that this will stop it all--maybe even get statistics from the magic of the mind that we are doing good.
Blessings
TEXAS, by GOD

Offline D Fischer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 381
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2012, 10:04:16 AM »
If we legalize it, the problems will go away. ::)

http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fiction_drug_legalization_works.html

I realize what your saying, but, if we legalize it the price will drop and tax's will be paid on it. Anyone that want's it can get it now. The thing to prosecute is illegal sale's and selling to minors. I thin I would also find that someone involved in anytype accident while under the influence get the death penalty also. So what penalties do we hand out? How about death.  To severe? Then it's not a bad enough problem to you. You deal with animal's like they are civilized humans and they will screw you every way they can. The poor driver, or how about the habitual offender? Again it's easy. Few years in prison and a fine to cover the cost of prison ought to fix that and lifetime loss of driving privileges. You don't want the punishment, don't do the crime! The problem is in this country that not enough people actually want to see it slowed down. Fine, then control it and collect the tax's! American's complain about a lot of things but seldom are willing to do anything about it other than slap someone on the wrist.

I might add that I just don't believe that life is all that precious when that life endanger's my family!

Offline Doublebass73

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (46)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4579
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2012, 01:10:12 PM »
Quote
Like a broken record,its not working, its not working.
Laws are deterence, it keeps honest people honest, it does not make scumbags honest law abiding citizens.
 
Murder has been illegal for 10s of thousands of years, people still do it. Should we make it legal???
Rape has been illegal for a long time, People still do it. Make it legal???
 
Your arguement that people still do it, so make it legal is a lame one, come up with a legitamit agrument and maybe someone would take it seriously.

Where did I say that people still do it so let's make it legal? The only lame argument here is the imaginary words you made up that nobody actually said. Go reread what I posted then see if you can come up with something better than putting words in my mouth. Maybe then someone would take it seriously.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2012, 01:39:26 PM »
Make marijuana legal and many cartels will dry up (to a point). As far as meth? It's here to stay, just like hogs in east Texas. Drugs are like politicians. Change your own habits, and the meth will go away, and the politician quality will somewhat improve. I enforced these "drug laws" for 20 years. For several years drug laws were about all I enforced.
This isn't a supply and demand problem at all. It's "a spiritual problem". America has "abandoned God", and all His teachings, and "GODLY WAYS". When folks start looking after their "spiritual well being", and then get back to God, the drugs, and everything else that's wrong with America, will all but go away.
You don't have to agree with me, or even believe it, but that is the truth.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline bigMikeA

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 267
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 02:56:12 PM »
Make marijuana legal and many cartels will dry up (to a point). As far as meth? It's here to stay, just like hogs in east Texas. Drugs are like politicians. Change your own habits, and the meth will go away, and the politician quality will somewhat improve. I enforced these "drug laws" for 20 years. For several years drug laws were about all I enforced.
This isn't a supply and demand problem at all. It's "a spiritual problem". America has "abandoned God", and all His teachings, and "GODLY WAYS". When folks start looking after their "spiritual well being", and then get back to God, the drugs, and everything else that's wrong with America, will all but go away.
You don't have to agree with me, or even believe it, but that is the truth.

Quoted for truth!  I sir, for whatever its worth, agree with you.

Offline Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23870
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2012, 03:57:30 PM »
Well thanks bigMikeA. I have found over the past 63 some odd years, that if one makes a effort to heal the spirit inside, the outside body will do likewise. Until that happens America will continue to "backslide" into a more "hellish self". The "spirit of America" is in sad shape. More laws won't amount to a hill of beans, and will only make the lawyers richer.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2012, 04:36:28 PM »
This isn't a supply and demand problem at all. It's "a spiritual problem". America has "abandoned God", and all His teachings, and "GODLY WAYS". When folks start looking after their "spiritual well being", and then get back to God, the drugs, and everything else that's wrong with America, will all but go away.
 
 
DEE. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

Offline Doublebass73

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (46)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4579
Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2012, 04:43:26 PM »
Well thanks bigMikeA. I have found over the past 63 some odd years, that if one makes a effort to heal the spirit inside, the outside body will do likewise. Until that happens America will continue to "backslide" into a more "hellish self". The "spirit of America" is in sad shape. More laws won't amount to a hill of beans, and will only make the lawyers richer.

Well said Dee. I agree, the root cause of the problem is lack of God not lack of laws. America has engaged in a "war" trying to prevent people from obtaining drugs for over 40 years. This "war" has not accomplished the goal of keeping people off drugs. What it has accomplished is the loss of Constitutional rights, Trillions of taxpayer dollars pissed away, thousands of dead LEO's, thousands of innocent lives lost in the crossfire, thousands of rich lawyers and more people getting high now than when the "war" started.

With 40 years of data I would say it's time to rethink our approach. To think that government can actually "fix" this problem is an exercise in futility.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

Offline Cuts Crooked

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3325
  • Gender: Male
....and Brad sayz:
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2012, 11:19:26 PM »
 
       © Carlo Allegri/AP Photo - Brad Pitt  Brad Pitt: The war on drugs is 'nonsensical, backwards and inept' Oct. 13, 2012, 8:11 PM ESTBy Steve Pond
    TheWrap
    Brad Pitt threw his considerable celebrity behind the documentary "The House I Live In" on Friday night at the Sundance Sunset cinemas in West Hollywood, making a surprise appearance to introduce Eugene Jarecki's film, joke about his past drug use and tell the audience that the war on drugs is a costly failure.
    "I think it's safe to say that the drug war is nonsensical," Pitt told TheWrap in an interview before his appearance.
    "It's a backwards, inept strategy."
    Added Jarecki, "The 'tough on crime' strategy failed. We created a war on drugs, which is a trillion dollars spent over 40 years, 45 million arrests, leading to nothing. Drugs are cheaper, purer, more available than ever before, and used by younger and younger people. Who can stand by that?"
    A few minutes later, Pitt walked to the front of a half-filled 180-seat theater and introduced himself to a surprised audience by saying, "Hi, everybody. I'm Brad Pitt. And I'm a drug addict."
    Bing: Pitt's mom writes controversial letter
    He laughed and shook his head. "Actually, my drug days have long passed, but it's certainly true that I could land in any city and any state and get you anything you wanted. Just give me 24 hours, and I'll know where to find it.
    "And yet we still talk about the drug war as if it's a success."
    Pitt has signed on as an executive producer of Jarecki's documentary, which won the grand jury prize for documentaries at this year's Sundance Film Festival and opened in theaters on Friday.
    "I was talking to his production company, Plan B, about a fiction project I was working on," Jarecki told TheWrap in an interview with Pitt before the screening. "I didn't know what to expect from Brad  he's this mega-human, so you don't know what you're gonna get."
    As Pitt laughed and repeated, "mega-human!," Jarecki continued. "But he's just an unusually analytic, careful, deep dramaturgic thinker. And I thought, well, I might as well talk to him about some of the other stuff I'm struggling with, and I brought up what I was doing with the drug war."
    Pitt, he said, was immediately interested. "He navigates elegantly, as much as anybody I've ever seen, between having his public role and also having his conscientious private self, and his concerns about the world, be generally evident to people."
    Pitt chuckled. "And his drug-addict self as well," he added.
    The two men talked about the failures of the war on drugs, and about Jarecki's contention  -- which Pitt originally said was "too liberal even for me" -- that the criminal approach to drugs was being used to keep poor and minority communities down.
    "We talked about those in poverty, and what he thought was the biggest stumbling block and the biggest thing holding them down," Pitt said. "And certainly I had my own questions about the drug war. There might be something else in play here, like we witnessed with Katrina."
    But with an issue that is such a political hot potato, can we realistically expect any politicians to embrace a change in policy from a law-enforcement strategy to a public-health approach?
    "I think we're going to find out," Pitt said. "You can't argue it economically anymore. It just doesn't make sense to carry on this way. It's just not working.
    "When you see the repercussions from this policy, and the cost on people trying to get ahead, you've gotta start asking questions. I think it's time. I think it's come to a head, and we've got to look at our choices."
    Added Jarecki, "We are doing a bunch of heavy lifting to get the film out to audiences across the country, not just audiences in arthouses. The constituencies that need to close in on this film are everybody from Washington down to Main Street.
    "We have seven million people in this country who are in some form or another under control of the criminal justice system, whether they are in jail or on probation or parole or other sort of systemic control. The number of family members who are attached to that is about 20 million people.
    "There is a huge population in this country who have a vested interest in how this turns out, who have to be appealed to in a new and different way. And along comes somebody on Brad's level.
    Musician John Legend, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons and actor Danny Glover are also involved in the film, he said. "We have growing constituencies who are making it easier for politicians to realize, You know what? Maybe there's cover here. Maybe we can all agree that this was a chapter and it's time for a new approach, to become smart on crime."
    "Smart on crime is the key," added Pitt. "We have biggest penal system in the world, we have the most people incarcerated. And out of that 2.3 million, how many are for non-violent crimes?"
    "About half," said Jarecki.
    "Half," repeated Pitt. "Something's wrong."
     
    http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=767013
    Smokeless is only a passing fad!

    "The liar who charms and disarms and wreaths himself in artifice is too agreeable to be called a demon. So we adopt the word "candidate"." Brooke McEldowney

    "When a dog has bitten ten kids I have trouble believing he would make a good childs companion just because he now claims he is a good dog and doesn't bite. How's that for a "parable"?"....ME

    Offline turk762

    • Trade Count: (0)
    • Avid Poster
    • **
    • Posts: 192
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #17 on: October 14, 2012, 01:44:05 AM »
    Quote
    Like a broken record,its not working, its not working.
    Laws are deterence, it keeps honest people honest, it does not make scumbags honest law abiding citizens.
     
    Murder has been illegal for 10s of thousands of years, people still do it. Should we make it legal???
    Rape has been illegal for a long time, People still do it. Make it legal???
     
    Your arguement that people still do it, so make it legal is a lame one, come up with a legitamit agrument and maybe someone would take it seriously.

    Where did I say that people still do it so let's make it legal? The only lame argument here is the imaginary words you made up that nobody actually said. Go reread what I posted then see if you can come up with something better than putting words in my mouth. Maybe then someone would take it seriously.
    Sorry, Doublebass73, I did jump to the conclusion you were going to use the same doper arguement I have heard over and over again. I get sick of hearing the foolish arguement but I am willing to listen to a intellegent arguement on how to deal with these society problems. You are right about it not working very well, but I think it is because of our degrading society, rather then laws not stricked enough or do enough.
    My point is many laws are not followed (ex. rape and murder) and have been around alot longer then drug laws. I am sick of people saying because the laws are still being broken we should eliminate them. Laws as long as we have them will continue to be broken, laws are a deterant, not a restricter. It is up to each individual to decide if they are willing to live with the consequences  of getting caught, and most are.
     
     

    Offline williamlayton

    • Trade Count: (0)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 15415
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #18 on: October 14, 2012, 01:51:00 AM »
    It is a spiritual problem---like any spiritual problem, you can't legislate and make everybody spiritual.
    The catholic Church has tried this forever.
    NOT A RELIGOUS DICUSSION----an example.
    Blessings
    TEXAS, by GOD

    Offline Doublebass73

    • GBO Supporter
    • Trade Count: (46)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4579
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #19 on: October 14, 2012, 05:12:38 AM »
    turk,

    I definitely agree that it's a problem with society degrading. Unfortunately, like william just said you can't legislate a fix to this. I agree that laws are only deterrents, people still commit murder and rape despite the death penalty as a punishment in some cases. I do believe however that comparing murder and rape to the war on drugs isn't an apples to apples comparison. Police don't actively try to prevent murder and rape, they only show up after the fact. With drugs you have police and military actively trying to prevent people from using and selling drugs. In many cases we've had Americans searched without a warrant in violation of the 4th Amendment in the name of the war on drugs. Police pull people over with the ultimate goal of finding drugs. We don't have a "war on murder" or a "war on rape" because we know that the police can't be in all places at all times yet we somehow think it will work at stopping the flow and consumption of drugs.

    Do I want the government to legalize and tax it? No, because then in essence the government becomes the dealer and our dirty politicians make all the billions instead of the dealers who currently make it. Do I think it should be decriminalized? Yes, because that is the only way we're going to take the "big money" out of the game. Do I think this will stop drug use? No, this problem will never go away, we're all in agreement that it's a spiritual problem rather than a lack of laws problem. Do I think this will increase the amount of drug use? No, like the old saying "door locks are only for honest people" people are going to use whether it's legal or not.

    What about the old "this will result in anarchy" argument? Right now we have jails full of people who are there only for possession or trafficking. I would much rather save their space in jail for people who commit real crimes like driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol or any other crime that infringes upon the rights of others. Do I have a problem with someone getting high in their own home? No that should be their choice but I do have a problem sharing the road with them if they choose to drive. Driving under the influence is punished way too lightly to even be a deterrent considering the amount of deaths it causes. Do I think increasing the punishment will stop it altogether? No, we've already established that laws are only deterrents so it will always be with us.


    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

    ---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    Offline yellowtail3

    • Trade Count: (0)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5664
    • Gender: Male
    • Oh father of the four winds, fill my sails!
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #20 on: October 14, 2012, 05:46:02 AM »
    Police don't actively try to prevent murder and rape, they only show up after the fact. With drugs you have police and military actively trying to prevent people from using and selling drugs. In many cases we've had Americans searched without a warrant in violation of the 4th Amendment in the name of the war on drugs. Police pull people over with the ultimate goal of finding drugs.
    'forfeiture laws' and freebie federal equipment have made this a very profitable enterprise for LE.
    Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

    Offline tturner53

    • GBO Supporter
    • Trade Count: (5)
    • Avid Poster
    • *****
    • Posts: 150
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #21 on: October 14, 2012, 08:17:33 AM »
    What we been doin' aint been working. If it's a war, attack. Works for the Israelis. Turn loose the dogs of war. Too many arrests, not enough shooting.

    Offline BUGEYE

    • Trade Count: (3)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 10268
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #22 on: October 14, 2012, 09:42:46 AM »
    This isn't a supply and demand problem at all. It's "a spiritual problem". America has "abandoned God", and all His teachings, and "GODLY WAYS". When folks start looking after their "spiritual well being", and then get back to God, the drugs, and everything else that's wrong with America, will all but go away.
     
     
    DEE. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
    this is very true, but yet when I state my convictions that I shall continue the fight to keep ALL drugs illegal,  some folks act like I'm some kind of OGRE.

    I'm of the mind that I can't keep my Christianity if I give up the fight and cave in to the liberals.
    Give me liberty, or give me death
                                         Patrick Henry

    Give me liberty, or give me death
                                         bugeye

    Offline williamlayton

    • Trade Count: (0)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 15415
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #23 on: October 14, 2012, 11:08:58 AM »
    Once again---what are YOU doing ?
    Blessings
    TEXAS, by GOD

    Offline BUGEYE

    • Trade Count: (3)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 10268
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #24 on: October 14, 2012, 11:38:59 AM »
    Once again---what are YOU doing ?
    Blessings
    I am constantly e-mailing senators and reps. when I'm able to be on my feet for a while and there happens to be a tea-party rally close by, I attend.  I give every penny that I can to Ga. right to life.
    I have e-mailed congressional folks from other states who might be on my side.  I get lots of nice form letters from Rand Paul, none from his dad.
    I am constantly voicing my opinion on the forums.
    you have to remember that I'm disabled and can no longer hunt or fish and many sundays I'm not able to attend Church.
    lately, I've been doing Bible study as it relates to all these current events etc.  and God does not want you to abort babies or smoke dope or drink to excess, or snort, or shoot up..
    whew, this is typed with mainly my left hand. my right shakes so bad that I can only use it for back-space, enter, and shift.
    so to answer your question, I do all I can.
    Give me liberty, or give me death
                                         Patrick Henry

    Give me liberty, or give me death
                                         bugeye

    Offline powderman

    • Trade Count: (0)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 32823
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #25 on: October 14, 2012, 04:42:55 PM »
    Quote
    lately, I've been doing Bible study as it relates to all these current events etc.  and God does not want you to abort babies or smoke dope or drink to excess, or snort, or shoot up..

     
    BUGEYE. Good  post Sir, agreed. Satan is the great tempter, his snares are many and come in all forms. God gave us all free will, The choice is ours. Right or wrong, good or evil, Heaven or hell, it's up to us. We must choose wisely. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
    Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

    Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
    What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
    I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
    http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

    Offline turk762

    • Trade Count: (0)
    • Avid Poster
    • **
    • Posts: 192
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #26 on: October 15, 2012, 12:53:58 AM »
    I dont have alot of time to read these post and put alot of thought into them. Ive been working alot lately, so forgive me doublebass if I am jumping to another conclusion, but you stated police only react to rapes and murders? I dont know many officers that will stand by and allow a rapist or murder to finish before they intervene, just a thought. Rapes and murders are harder to catch in the act because they only take minutes. Manufacturing drugs is a long process and usually can not be move so they are easier to find.
     
    One more thing, some on here seem to believe the prison system is booked with possesstion offences violators. I dont think Johnny, with his small sack of weed, is taking the place in prison of a rapist or murder. Or are you guys confusing jail with prison, they 2 different animals.

    Offline williamlayton

    • Trade Count: (0)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 15415
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #27 on: October 15, 2012, 10:47:30 AM »
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but laws will not prevent---certainly more laws don't do any better.
    If there is to be a change it must be within and most folks have never wanted to change within.
    Blessings
    TEXAS, by GOD

    Offline BUGEYE

    • Trade Count: (3)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 10268
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #28 on: October 15, 2012, 11:28:01 AM »
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but laws will not prevent---certainly more laws don't do any better.
    If there is to be a change it must be within and most folks have never wanted to change within.
    Blessings
    when I accepted Jesus as my savior, I became a new person. I tried dope in 1970, I was a heavy drinker, carouser, and just shrugged my shoulders at abortion, drinking and driving, dope use and various other sins.
    luckily I met my wife in 1975, and she led to Jesus.  now I realize what sin I was commiting.

    so the dope could be at least slowed down if all those who claim to be Christians would act like it.
    Give me liberty, or give me death
                                         Patrick Henry

    Give me liberty, or give me death
                                         bugeye

    Offline Doublebass73

    • GBO Supporter
    • Trade Count: (46)
    • Senior Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4579
    Re: Dopers delight. Mex cartels flood America with cheap meth.
    « Reply #29 on: October 15, 2012, 12:59:07 PM »
    I dont have alot of time to read these post and put alot of thought into them. Ive been working alot lately, so forgive me doublebass if I am jumping to another conclusion, but you stated police only react to rapes and murders? I dont know many officers that will stand by and allow a rapist or murder to finish before they intervene, just a thought. Rapes and murders are harder to catch in the act because they only take minutes. Manufacturing drugs is a long process and usually can not be move so they are easier to find.
     
    One more thing, some on here seem to believe the prison system is booked with possesstion offences violators. I dont think Johnny, with his small sack of weed, is taking the place in prison of a rapist or murder. Or are you guys confusing jail with prison, they 2 different animals.

    Of course an LEO will stop a murder or rape IF he happens to be there. We all know police can't be everywhere at all times which is why most of us carry concealed. The point I was trying to make is that they cannot prevent murder or rape from happening unless they are lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

    Drug offenders make up the largest percentage of the federal prison population and one of the largest percentages in state prisons. It may not be Johnny with his small sack of weed but there is still a huge population of non violent drug offenders that fills our prison system.

    Jesus Christ was the only one who saved me from abusing drugs and alcohol in my younger years. There wasn't a single law on the books that saved me. I want the same thing that you guys do - less crime. The war on drugs has created exactly the opposite. The more it is escalated the more crime it has created. We have 40 years of data to back up this claim. Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. It's time for a new approach.
    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

    ---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783