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ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« on: October 12, 2012, 04:46:09 AM »
    ATF whistle-blower fired, claims complaints about 'Fast and Furious' played role  By Judson Berger
Published October 11, 2012
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  A well-known whistle-blower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed to FoxNews.com that he was fired this week, and he claims his complaints about Operation Fast and Furious played a role in his dismissal.
Vince Cefalu said he was served his termination papers Tuesday in a Denny's parking lot in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. But he doesn't plan to go quietly.
"It will be challenged," he said.
 
Cefalu, who's served as an ATF special agent for 25 years, was first notified of the plan to fire him more than a year ago but had been on administrative leave until now. He said officials told him he was being canned for "lack of candor," in reference to a handful of statements he made in testimony in a separate court case.
 
However, Cefalu has been outspoken against ATF practices for years and told FoxNews.com that his whistle-blowing on Fast and Furious "was the final straw."
Cefalu was one of the founders of the website CleanUpATF, a virtual platform for complaints about the agency. He was among the first to speak up about Fast and Furious, the failed anti-gunrunning operation that let thousands of guns slip across the U.S.-Mexico border. Weapons from the program were founded at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
 
An inspector general report on the operation released in September was highly critical of both the ATF and officials at the Justice Department.
The ATF, though, has previously denied that it was retaliating against Cefalu.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade confirmed that Cefalu "separated" from the agency on Tuesday, though Wade could not comment further.
"Because of privacy laws and internal policies, we can't talk about personnel matters," he said.
 
Cefalu's first run-in with higher-ups at ATF came when he objected to what he considered to be an illegal wiretap in a 2005 case unrelated to Fast and Furious, which didn't launch until years later.
He told FoxNews.com last year that those complaints marked "the beginning of the end."

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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 06:21:37 AM »
If this guy's side of the story is upright and righteous and there's nothing else about him that might detonate, maybe he should be considered to run that agency if Romney gets the chance to appoint.
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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 10:09:49 AM »
Guy's photo looks like he's been on a 3-day bender...

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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 02:41:41 AM »
He broke his oath, and was fired. Hired and appointed government jobs include a swearing in ceremony that requires you to not publicly disagree with the current administration. You're allowed your own opinions, but if they conflict with the "official" version, you are not to discuss them in public. They all take the oath, no matter if the administration is Republican or Democrat, and it is understood that it is a firing offense to break it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 04:51:17 AM »
So how does the "whistle blower" law work under those restrictions?
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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 04:55:15 AM »
It appears it isn't worth the paper wasted on it.
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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2012, 06:15:47 AM »
So how does the "whistle blower" law work under those restrictions?

The subject of this thread is probably a good indication.   ;)
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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 11:30:33 AM »
He broke his oath, and was fired. Hired and appointed government jobs include a swearing in ceremony that requires you to not publicly disagree with the current administration. You're allowed your own opinions, but if they conflict with the "official" version, you are not to discuss them in public. They all take the oath, no matter if the administration is Republican or Democrat, and it is understood that it is a firing offense to break it.
That is simply not true.
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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2012, 04:23:56 PM »
He broke his oath, and was fired. Hired and appointed government jobs include a swearing in ceremony that requires you to not publicly disagree with the current administration. You're allowed your own opinions, but if they conflict with the "official" version, you are not to discuss them in public. They all take the oath, no matter if the administration is Republican or Democrat, and it is understood that it is a firing offense to break it.
That is simply not true.

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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 07:00:15 PM »
Looks to me as he doesn't care who's in office. What's right is right, and wrong is wrong!! Bush was in office when he made the first complaint in 2005. So it doesn't look like a political agenda push. Give the guy credit for standing up for what he thinks is right. gypsyman
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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 03:45:27 AM »
Let's just see if he stays fired.
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Re: ATF agent spills the beans, gets fired.
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 07:44:45 AM »
He broke his oath, and was fired. Hired and appointed government jobs include a swearing in ceremony that requires you to not publicly disagree with the current administration. You're allowed your own opinions, but if they conflict with the "official" version, you are not to discuss them in public. They all take the oath, no matter if the administration is Republican or Democrat, and it is understood that it is a firing offense to break it.
That is simply not true.

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