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Damned coyotes!
« on: October 14, 2012, 06:00:22 AM »
This is why I hunt these dogs, we found this about 175 yards from one of my camera traps for Whitetails.



It all happened in one night, there was nothing there the day before. I have only got one pic of a dog in this area. It seemed strange I hadent gotten any other pics.

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2012, 06:04:06 AM »
 :(
thanks for showing that.
if a person's never seen the damage
they do, they don't understand why we
shoot 'em at every opportunity. >:(
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2012, 08:16:06 AM »
Yep, they have no right at all to be eating "your" deer.     ::)
 
What's next, those damn squirrels for eating "my" nuts?    ???
 
I have WAY, WAy more respect for predators... there is afterall good reasons why there are both predators and prey in the natural world.  Comes from hunting them for over 50 years, pitting my acquired skills against their natural ones one on one.
 
Common sense would dictate chastising the worst predator that has ever walked the earth - they are the true wanton killers that do it for sport or ego, for money or greed, not just to eat and survive. 
 
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 08:52:45 AM »
You get rid of all the preditors and you get what Ted Turner got on his ranch in NM.  He darn near starved out the Deer and Elk by eliminating the preditors.  As long as they leave the domestic livestock alone, they have a right to the natural prey.

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 08:54:22 AM »
I bet they ate more of the feet than we would.

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Re: Damnd coyotes!
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 09:25:12 AM »
Yep, they have no right at all to be eating "your" deer.     ::)
 
What's next, those damn squirrels for eating "my" nuts?    ???
 
I have WAY, WAy more respect for predators... there is afterall good reasons why there are both predators and prey in the natural world.  Comes from hunting them for over 50 years, pitting my acquired skills against their natural ones one on one.
 
Common sense would dictate chastising the worst predator that has ever walked the earth - they are the true wanton killers that do it for sport or ego, for money or greed, not just to eat and survive. 
 
Just saying...

I think I miss you point... 

So you say you respect them. then a paragraph or so later, you say you hunt them one on one...  At first i thought you where condeming my post. but you hunt them too, What am I missing?

Altho I have never referee to the deer as mine, they do reside on my property and are fed with my grain I put out for them. I have watched generations of there family's grow since the mid 1990's.

I shoot coyotes when I see them. I hunt them is some other areas but never specifically at this location.

We all understand that they are doing exactly what they where built to do. This dosent mean I have to like it or I have to let it continue. I know and remain alert to what they do and how they do it to better hunt them. But respect is not a word I would use in my description of them.

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Re: Damnd coyotes!
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2012, 10:28:10 AM »
We had no coyotes in Georgia until the last few years....deer were stocked here in the 60's, before that we had none.  The deer herd grew substantially..now it appears to me to be on a serious decline from loss of fawns killed by coyote.
 
On a walkover of a large tract I hunt, I saw the remains of three fawn kills...There were probably many times that.  Coyotes have to be kept in control as well, the only predator they have is man. 
 
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 11:12:58 AM »
I bet they ate more of the feet than we would.

Well I don't know how deer became feet . My computer bit the dust and I'm doing this on my phone.  (Big thumbs I guess).

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2012, 12:31:32 PM »
I think I miss you point... 

So you say you respect them. then a paragraph or so later, you say you hunt them one on one...  At first i thought you where condeming my post. but you hunt them too, What am I missing?

Altho I have never referee to the deer as mine, they do reside on my property and are fed with my grain I put out for them. I have watched generations of there family's grow since the mid 1990's.

I shoot coyotes when I see them. I hunt them is some other areas but never specifically at this location.

We all understand that they are doing exactly what they where built to do. This dosent mean I have to like it or I have to let it continue. I know and remain alert to what they do and how they do it to better hunt them. But respect is not a word I would use in my description of them.

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Not condemning you at all CW, to each his own opinions.
 
The deer do not belong to any person any more than they belong to the coyotes - both are predators.   
 
The "squirrels" comment just to ad some humor, call it the dry sense of it I'm often known for.
 
Protecting your property/livestock is no different than what I did as a kid on the ranch growing up, or all the years I did free ADC for other landowners to help protect theirs as well as to enjoy the challenges of doing so.   ADC is where I did the lions share of my predator and varmint hunting, but I did also hunt them just for sport sometimes.   
 
My respect was simply stated for a creature I always found one of the most challenging to take on with only my personal skills, skills that were learned a large part because of them, not deer hunting.   So yes they do have my total respect, they've earned it.  But then anything wild I harvested was respected and harvested as humanely as possible.  Respect and ethics that I make no apologies for.   
 
The last just my opinion where hatred is the most deserved when it comes to all things in the natural world. 
 
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Re: Damnd coyotes!
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 12:57:50 PM »
I believe it's time for you to get out your calls and make a stand or two.


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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 03:21:38 AM »
Just saying, around my area in south central Kansas we have plenty of deer and plenty of coyotes. We have been in a severe drought for two years and except for quail and waterfowl everything else seems to be doing better than ever, don't get it. We have turkey all over the place. Just this last Saturday I saw four rooster pheasants together a a couple days before that two roosters were fighting just off of my front yard. The other thing I don't get is the number of rabbits. We have hawks, coyotes,  bobcats, snakes, and one of my cats that takes full grown rabbits and when I leave for work in the morning just before daybreak I commonly see 4-7 rabbits in my headlights along my drive.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 03:30:08 AM »
Damned Coyotes, damned hawks, damned bobcats, damned ants, damned rain, damned this and that......

Damned aliens!   Take a look at the mess they leave in the Sonoran Desert!

I hear ya on the coyotes CW.  Things are totally out of balance in nature.  I've got packs of them outside my place and they're really close when they're all out howling several times a night.  I'd imagine they're all fighting on some kind of kill or something when they all start singing, ranting and raving.  I went out there the other night and started making all kinds of noise and nothing stopped them.  I suddenly got the feeling that they might make me into something similar to that pic you posted and quickly went inside.

Huge packs of predators stalking neighborhoods and thinning deer populations badly tells me that things are really out of balance.....just like a lot of things in the world today.   

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 06:26:46 AM »
They made some short work of that deer for sure. Get to callin!
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2012, 07:05:34 AM »
They made some short work of that deer for sure. Get to callin!

That's what made me think... I know for a fact that was not there the day before. I was just there about 16:30 the prev night and this was found, about 08:30 the following day. I did not see it till about noon when I was able to get back there. I would have liked to see if it was at all warm....

Plans are being made as we speak. ::)

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2012, 11:59:05 AM »
I believe it's time for you to get out your calls and make a stand or two.


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Some folks may be missing the intent of my post(s).  I am not at all against coyote hunting with the exception of only for the almighty buck in contests and so exploiting wildlife IMO.   All about numbers killed, not the same as say a big buck contest where one is harvested same as many/I  would even if not entered in a contest.   I simply have more respect for wildlife than that.   If I was against hunting them otherwise I wouldn’t have done it so long.  I only stopped when my handicaps made it impossible to do it my way anymore.   And I knew that time was approaching fast.   I never wore camo to hunt, but I did use laser guided missile launchers to shoot them most of the time.    But my last few hunts were for the extra challenge with small caliber muzzleloaders  and my mountain man reenacting persona to go out with those being the greatest memories of the years I did it.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2012, 12:11:22 PM »
The hits keep coming.   My take on them will come off as sarcastic some at first probably, but is simply because that just fits my dry humor, not meant as a jab at anyone.  The intent is to allude to what the real world facts are as I see them.
 
Yep, deer populations in the US have occasionally fluctuated drastically over the last few hundred years because of the coyote (or other natural predators).
 
Not hardly!!! 
 
No need to take my word for it though.   There are endless citations in total agreement with what has always been the greatest cause for all deer population declines in this country, and that cause walks on two legs.  The up side, if it is considered one, old two legs also plays a big role in their recovery each time.   To an all time high and to the point of being pests in many locals now causing economic loss in the billions annually in this country.
 
The fact is that it’s not the coyote/natural predator populations that are out of balance folks, and it never has been.   Both deer and natural predators will naturally “adjust” their own populations to balance them, a simply fact followed by all species in the natural world when left on their own.    Old two legs mucks up the natural scheme of things in the name of what he wants.    Deer are out of balance thanks to his help, even somewhat  more so with the huge upsurge in predator hunting popularity the last 12-15 years by old two legs.      Blaming coyotes is a bum rap, simple as that.   They are not the one playing Mother Nature (or God for those who prefer it).
 
Matters not if you agree with my take - I always dance with the one I brung though.   A little research may change your take on it too.    ;)
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Re: Damnd coyotes!
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2012, 01:50:44 PM »
I believe it's time for you to get out your calls and make a stand or two.


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Some folks may be missing the intent of my post(s).  I am not at all against coyote hunting with the exception of only for the almighty buck in contests and so exploiting wildlife IMO.   All about numbers killed, not the same as say a big buck contest where one is harvested same as many/I  would even if not entered in a contest.   I simply have more respect for wildlife than that.   If I was against hunting them otherwise I wouldn’t have done it so long.  I only stopped when my handicaps made it impossible to do it my way anymore.   And I knew that time was approaching fast.   I never wore camo to hunt, but I did use laser guided missile launchers to shoot them most of the time.    But my last few hunts were for the extra challenge with small caliber muzzleloaders  and my mountain man reenacting persona to go out with those being the greatest memories of the years I did it.

Not sure why I'm quoted here. And you lost me at "Laser guided missiles".


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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2012, 02:18:45 PM »
The hits keep coming.   My take on them will come off as sarcastic some at first probably, but is simply because that just fits my dry humor, not meant as a jab at anyone.  The intent is to allude to what the real world facts are as I see them.
 
Yep, deer populations in the US have occasionally fluctuated drastically over the last few hundred years because of the coyote (or other natural predators).
 
Not hardly!!! 
 
No need to take my word for it though.   There are endless citations in total agreement with what has always been the greatest cause for all deer population declines in this country, and that cause walks on two legs.  The up side, if it is considered one, old two legs also plays a big role in their recovery each time.   To an all time high and to the point of being pests in many locals now causing economic loss in the billions annually in this country.
 
The fact is that it’s not the coyote/natural predator populations that are out of balance folks, and it never has been.   Both deer and natural predators will naturally “adjust” their own populations to balance them, a simply fact followed by all species in the natural world when left on their own.    Old two legs mucks up the natural scheme of things in the name of what he wants.    Deer are out of balance thanks to his help, even somewhat  more so with the huge upsurge in predator hunting popularity the last 12-15 years by old two legs.      Blaming coyotes is a bum rap, simple as that.   They are not the one playing Mother Nature (or God for those who prefer it).
 
Matters not if you agree with my take - I always dance with the one I brung though.   A little research may change your take on it too.    ;)

I too have a very healthy yet dry sense of humor, but I'm not getting it. It is entirely possible that I am completely misunderstanding your point of view here, and if I am, I apologize. I also completely understand the irritation at people's claim("my" deer/coyotes/etc.) and agree with you to an extent.

Now that my disclaimer has been said, I have to comment as to my "understanding" of your post about the balance of nature. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that wildlife needs no management or intervention by man? Is this correct? Because I've heard this all before, but can't say I've ever heard it from another hunter. Generally those comments are reserved for those that like to throw red paint on people wearing fur or eating a bacon cheese burger. If I got you wrong, then again I apologize.

Are you a hunter? If you are, you are a killer. The "reason" you kill is inconsequential, killing is killing regardless if it's for food or sport, and that is my take on the "facts" as I see them.

BTW, facts don't have a POV, they are black and white without shades of gray. When you start looking for "takes" on facts, it means you have no self support for the argument of your beliefs.


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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2012, 02:38:45 PM »
I don't understand why anyone would be surprised, least aggravated, that a coyote killed a deer.  CW states that he feeds the deer ( hope it is not corn) which brings in artificially high  number of deer.  And what follows,  but the natural predator.  Therefore, CW is responsible for his own problem.  BTW, there wouldn't be a stand set up for shooting deer near a feeder woud there?

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2012, 03:09:59 PM »
Not sure why I'm quoted here. And you lost me at "Laser guided missiles".
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The written word thing, thought you were referring to me.  No harm meant, so hope no foul.   Laser Guided Missile Launchers = modern firearms, especially those improved for long range shooting.  IE what I called a lot of the custom wildcat firearms I had for P&V hunting.   
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2012, 03:43:24 PM »

 
The written word thing, thought you were referring to me.  No harm meant, so hope no foul.   Laser Guided Missile Launchers = modern firearms, especially those improved for long range shooting.  IE what I called a lot of the custom wildcat firearms I had for P&V hunting.   

First, sorry for the hijack CW!
Here is a "laser guided missile" for P&V for you.

It's the bottom rifle and it's a New Frontier Armory AR in 6x45.

 
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2012, 04:28:56 PM »
I too have a very healthy yet dry sense of humor, but I'm not getting it. It is entirely possible that I am completely misunderstanding your point of view here, and if I am, I apologize. I also completely understand the irritation at people's claim("my" deer/coyotes/etc.) and agree with you to an extent.

Now that my disclaimer has been said, I have to comment as to my "understanding" of your post about the balance of nature. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that wildlife needs no management or intervention by man? Is this correct? Because I've heard this all before, but can't say I've ever heard it from another hunter. Generally those comments are reserved for those that like to throw red paint on people wearing fur or eating a bacon cheese burger. If I got you wrong, then again I apologize.

Are you a hunter? If you are, you are a killer. The "reason" you kill is inconsequential, killing is killing regardless if it's for food or sport, and that is my take on the "facts" as I see them.

BTW, facts don't have a POV, they are black and white without shades of gray. When you start looking for "takes" on facts, it means you have no self support for the argument of your beliefs.


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Nature found its own balance as it always had until modern man created the need for wildlife and habitat management, to suit his desires, to prevent species from becoming extinct that he himself was causing through over hunting and habitat destruction.   
 
It matters not whether you are a hunter or not, but yes I was a very serious hunter AND killer, almost from my diaper days.    Mostly for food, ADC to protect what amounts to for food mostly, sometimes to protect old two legs.   But like most hunters also some for the challenge as a sport (ego).  With the predators utilizing pelts if possible, when younger on the ranch sometimes some meats for food.   And I would still be doing it if I could .   I am not a bunny or tree hugger or an anti at all and never have been.   And I do consider sound management as beneficial to the species as well as old two legs.   But I do respect wildlife and the preservation of them as well, they have as much right to be here as we do.  A few other species do kill for sport as well as to eat/survive, but not in the shear numbers that old two legs does.  Nor do other species destroy habitat that has even close to such a profound impact on all species that called it home.
 
I don't see killing as always being inconsequential.   Killing to eat or protect, killing for sport but utilizing what you killed is one thing.   Killing just to be killing is not moral, wanton killing in excess is not ethical.  Old two legs has proved that many times all through history by driving species to at least the brink of extinction, species that he himself utilized for food or survival and not just for sport.
 
Maybe it would have been easier to understand my thoughts if instead of typing them as my "take" on the facts, I had said my opinion because of the facts.    Same thing to me.   The facts hold water, I have no good reason to doubt them and do not.
 
Regardless, I see no further reason to defend my opinion or take.  It is what it is, what it has always been and always will be.    ;) (wink)
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2012, 04:40:11 PM »
I don't personally know the answer to my next question, but it would sure be interesting to know the number of species that went extinct before the existence of "Man" versus the total after. Hmmm, may have to do some research.


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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2012, 05:03:57 PM »
cw, you kill what you want ;)  I hope to get a couple yotes this year myself.
I apologize for this hijack. I lived in Tucson in 73 and used to pick up the occasional piece of litter on trails and streams. Got back there about 8 yrs ago and saw a lot of milk cartons in most of the dry beds on a half hour drive through the desert. Very bad but nowhere near the picture Blackhawker posted :'(  Thanks for posting the pics. There were backpacks, garbage bags, pretty much what you see in his pics. This looks to of been going on for many years. I believe there to be MANY stream beds and paths like this all along our southern border. I never have seen anyone show pics like this on TV/ News Channels. I bet they don't bring them up in this next debate either. Not meant to be a political statement but take a good look at it and it is a SHAME >:(
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2012, 03:45:35 AM »
The hits keep coming.   My take on them will come off as sarcastic some at first probably, but is simply because that just fits my dry humor, not meant as a jab at anyone.  The intent is to allude to what the real world facts are as I see them.
 
Yep, deer populations in the US have occasionally fluctuated drastically over the last few hundred years because of the coyote (or other natural predators).
 
Not hardly!!! 
 
No need to take my word for it though.   There are endless citations in total agreement with what has always been the greatest cause for all deer population declines in this country, and that cause walks on two legs.  The up side, if it is considered one, old two legs also plays a big role in their recovery each time.   To an all time high and to the point of being pests in many locals now causing economic loss in the billions annually in this country.
 
The fact is that it’s not the coyote/natural predator populations that are out of balance folks, and it never has been.   Both deer and natural predators will naturally “adjust” their own populations to balance them, a simply fact followed by all species in the natural world when left on their own.    Old two legs mucks up the natural scheme of things in the name of what he wants.    Deer are out of balance thanks to his help, even somewhat  more so with the huge upsurge in predator hunting popularity the last 12-15 years by old two legs.      Blaming coyotes is a bum rap, simple as that.   They are not the one playing Mother Nature (or God for those who prefer it).
 
Matters not if you agree with my take - I always dance with the one I brung though.   A little research may change your take on it too.    ;)

I was kinda hinting at what you're saying here Ladobe, specifically the part where you say:  Both deer and natural predators will naturally “adjust” their own populations to balance them, a simply fact followed by all species in the natural world when left on their own.    Old two legs mucks up the natural scheme of things in the name of what he wants.

Yup, that's really the issue.

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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2012, 03:54:37 AM »
cw, you kill what you want ;)  I hope to get a couple yotes this year myself.
I apologize for this hijack. I lived in Tucson in 73 and used to pick up the occasional piece of litter on trails and streams. Got back there about 8 yrs ago and saw a lot of milk cartons in most of the dry beds on a half hour drive through the desert. Very bad but nowhere near the picture Blackhawker posted :'(  Thanks for posting the pics. There were backpacks, garbage bags, pretty much what you see in his pics. This looks to of been going on for many years. I believe there to be MANY stream beds and paths like this all along our southern border. I never have seen anyone show pics like this on TV/ News Channels. I bet they don't bring them up in this next debate either. Not meant to be a political statement but take a good look at it and it is a SHAME >:(
A lot of deer are being killed by coyotes, cars, and humans. Hunt On!
Bigvarmnt,
Here is a link to the page in which I got some of those pics.  YES, it's a shame and a CRIME!

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/Arizona-Desert-Trash.htm

I too don't mean to hijack the thread but I guess I was kinda adding to the content by subliminally saying that there are a lot of things to blame and be angry about for the in-balance in nature these days, specifically on the human side. 

I'm still amazed at that carcass left by those dogs in the original post.  It's amazingly cleaned.  One thing I have to admire, however, is at least the coyotes don't make much waste as humans do these days.

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Re: Damned coyotes!
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2012, 05:28:07 AM »
That's was the biggest factor in my posting it!!

It amazes me that this was done in just a few short hours... Knowing the so FEW coyote sign or sightings in this area.

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Re: Damned coyotes!
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2012, 06:26:04 AM »
We have a big problem in central and northern Maine the coyotes are hybrids they have wolf genes in them, they are big and even run in packs. The deer yard up in thick woods to survive the cold winters and deep snow and those sons of bitches get in there and kill a lot of deer. >:(

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Re: Damned coyotes!
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2012, 06:50:16 AM »
That's was the biggest factor in my posting it!!

It amazes me that this was done in just a few short hours... Knowing the so FEW coyote sign or sightings in this area.

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Yeah, when I hear that pack or group out by my place screaming and howling on and on, I always wonder just what they're tearing up.  There are a lot of deer around by me, as well as geese.  I actually got to watch a pair kill an injured goose several years ago. 

It was Thanksgiving Day and I watched a pair of geese on the thin ice of the wetland behind my house as they were struggling along with one bird having an injured leg and unable to fly.....too much wing-loading I suppose.  Out of the cattails, a lone coyote shows up and starts quartering around the two geese.  With the female not being able to fly, the uninjured male partner began to fight off that coyote.  After several attempts by the coyote, it finally was able to get a quick bite on the neck of the injured bird and just then it got wacked over the head by a full blow of the wing of the other goose.  The coyote took off and stayed away for quite some time.  In the mean time, the injured goose's day was "cooked", excusing the pun.  It lied on the ice for quite some time.  I felt bad about it but the ice was too thin for me to do anything about the whole situation and I figured I'd just let nature take it's course. 
Later, just before heading to my parent's house for TG Day, the coyote showed up with a friend.  The two of them kinda finished off the now seriously injured goose but were still challenged enough by the one healthy goose and they both left. 
I got home from TG at about midnight and thought I'd go take a look on the ice to see if that goose had been carried off.  As I rounded the front of my house, my answer was loud and clear.  There were several coyotes (too dark to see them in the distance) howling and fighting.  I knew they had been there to clean up that goose.  In the morning, there was nothing but a few feathers in the wind left in the area.  They made a clean sweep of it for sure.

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Re: Damned coyotes!
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2012, 05:44:13 AM »
 I don’t think a couple coyotes took that deer down and devoured it.  Probably a pack of 6 or more did the deed after running that deer for awhile.  Other predators probably had their fill as well.  Now a couple wolves could take him down in short order.
 
Nature is pretty cruel by most of our standards and the predator will kill until the game is very limited and then they will starve.  They can’t move into another area, as the pack there will fight them to the death.  While the predator starves down the game animal will make a comeback with bigger litters/broods etc to a point and then the cycle begins again.  Now man comes along and “regulates” things to his advantage.  Keeping the predator at low numbers will allow more animals to be harvested by us – simple as that.

Take a look at the wolf packs in Idaho – they moved into an area free of other big predators and took control and the elk herds are down and hunters aren’t a bit happy over it either.
 
One seldom sees a predator without calling and we’ll never shoot enough of them to keep up with their birth rate – that’s why trappers are needed to keep them in check, so we can harvest more game in season.  When fur went out of fashion man sorta lost control of keeping the predator in “our” balance and now, nature is back in control in most areas.  I will try and kill every predator I see but they aren’t stupid, so I don’t kill very many year to year but I’m happy doing it and teaching my grandkids the joy of matching wits with the predator.
 
Every now and then a disease will wipe out a lot of the predators and then it seems like the deer will overpopulate and they’ll come down with a disease.  Take a look at Wyoming years ago when their antelope herds were humongous – sometimes we would be parked for 5 to 10 minutes as they crossed the road – Blue Tongue took like 95% of them in 2 years.