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Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« on: October 16, 2012, 12:30:18 PM »
Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leadersBy Neil Snyder
 There was a time when the word "liberal" meant to think freely and openly.  Our Founding Fathers were liberals because they believed that free men can govern themselves.  In the 18th century, the British Empire ruled the waves; the U.S. was a British colony; and England's ruling elite governed for us because they thought that we were incapable of governing ourselves.
"In the final analysis, it is between you and God.  It was never between you and them anyway."__Mother Theresa
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Chingachgook, he warned me about people like you. He said "Do not try to understand them".
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2012, 12:34:36 PM »
Fair analogy...they both have/had cravings for power, and an antipathy for those who hold different ideals.

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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 01:14:28 PM »
Read all three books in the ,Hunger Games , trilogy if you really want to see what a Liberal utopian
society would look like . 

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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2012, 01:33:26 PM »
Read all three books in the ,Hunger Games , trilogy if you really want to see what a Liberal utopian
society would look like .
I did , that's why I keep my bow handy. ;D
"In the final analysis, it is between you and God.  It was never between you and them anyway."__Mother Theresa
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Not everyone will understand your journey. That"s fine. It's not their journey to make sense of. It's yours.
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Hawkeye: My father warned me about you...
Chingachgook, he warned me about people like you. He said "Do not try to understand them".
 "do not try to make them understand you. That is because they are a breed apart and make no sense".
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 02:47:05 AM »
The definition of liberal has changed since then but it's true that they were considered liberals in their day. Sometimes you'll here the term "classical liberal" to refer to the old definition.
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 04:37:46 AM »
Read all three books in the ,Hunger Games , trilogy if you really want to see what a Liberal utopian
society would look like .

or maybe visit France ..........
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 06:48:06 AM »
A fine country, France. My experience is that those who most vociferously bad-mouth the French don't have a clue as to French history & culture; they got all theirs from Limbaugh, and from Krusty on The Simpsons.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 07:41:40 AM »
Read all three books in the ,Hunger Games , trilogy if you really want to see what a Liberal utopian
society would look like .
I did , that's why I keep my bow handy. ;D


It was an endorsement of what a bow can do in the hands of a good archer! Took down what , something like three armed Capital hovercraft ?

Kimber, they are going to make sequels out of the last two books. A production company is out here 
in NM looking at all the small towns around here in order to use them as the capitals of a few of the districts . Like districts 11,12,8, and the infamous district 2.
Buck Mountain here is in the running to be that stronghold that the peacekeepers had in district two.
What interested me in this was that some of our local civil war re-enactor units if things go right.                 

May end up playing the roles of the Rebel and the Capitals Peacekeeper army's . 
The one thing I found hard to accept about this whole story, was there at the end what happened to little Prim  :-[ . I cried for over an hour over that , and I still think about it sometimes .

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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 07:47:40 AM »
A fine country, France. My experience is that those who most vociferously bad-mouth the French don't have a clue as to French history & culture; they got all theirs from Limbaugh, and from Krusty on The Simpsons.

Or current affairs  :o
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2012, 08:02:22 AM »
Or current affairs  :o
what are you thinking of?
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 08:06:02 AM »
what they have done over the lasr say 10 years or so with regard to politics etc ............
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2012, 09:07:01 AM »
it wasn't long ago we were to boycott French goods for one thing. check it out ....
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2012, 09:24:48 AM »
it wasn't long ago we were to boycott French goods for one thing. check it out ....

who was boycotting what French goods, and why?
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2012, 09:25:54 AM »
Google it
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2012, 09:33:08 AM »
Google it

naw, I've got a scrapeline to visit right now... I'll just assume you've got nuthin' worthwhile, and prob be right about that.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2012, 09:37:57 AM »
Enjoy your hunt !
Why get personal ? Google can do a better job of explaining it was around 2003 incase you have a change of heart.
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2012, 10:00:36 AM »
it wasn't long ago we were to boycott French goods for one thing. check it out ....


Shootall, wasn't all of that also what started the freedom fries thing right after 9/11 ?  I seem to also remember an incident with the veterans of D day over some land near Normandy where a lot of our guys were buried .

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2012, 10:09:21 AM »
Yep that was part of it . Boycott french wines etc. Frenche's mustard put out notice that they were not French  ;D . The French seem to have a habit of not supporting those who saved their azz's in wars around the world etc.
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2012, 10:13:46 AM »
 
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I'll just assume you've got nuthin' worthwhile, and prob be right about that.

 
 
 
Since you never back up your statements or opinions, should I assume the same?
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2012, 10:17:24 AM »
Ahh, I thought that was it , thank you for reminding me about that. I was doing some volunteer work
for my dads VFW hall back then and I remember the guys there were talking about it .

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2012, 10:24:02 AM »
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I'll just assume you've got nuthin' worthwhile, and prob be right about that.

 
 
 
Since you never back up your statements or opinions, should I assume the same?
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You must not read many or can't see the difference between opinion and facts. Or just have lived a sheltered life with out benifit of seeing world events .
What would you like backed up ?
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2012, 10:31:53 AM »
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I'll just assume you've got nuthin' worthwhile, and prob be right about that.

 
 
 
Since you never back up your statements or opinions, should I assume the same?
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You must not read many or can't see the difference between opinion and facts. Or just have lived a sheltered life with out benifit of seeing world events .
What would you like backed up ?


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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2012, 10:38:38 AM »
Anna hey nither one of them backed up their statement now did they ? But whats new ?
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2012, 10:50:38 AM »
Shootall, where the h*ll is that coming from?  I was talking about yellowtail never backing up his statements (or more correctly, his "questions").
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Re: Today's liberals are much like England's 18th century leaders
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2012, 11:06:07 AM »
Guys , it looks like you have a little mixed up communication going on there .  Relax , your both on the same page just a different paragraph . 
Indifference has an ugly little brother named confusion. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2012, 01:14:16 AM »
Shootall, where the h*ll is that coming from?  I was talking about yellowtail never backing up his statements (or more correctly, his "questions").
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