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Offline needsmostuff

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Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« on: October 18, 2012, 04:32:53 PM »
After reading guzziman's thread and my own recent firing pin repair on a Remington mod.12b I have questions on the SOP of these things. More to the point ,how does one release the hammer after cleaning or when done shooting. I am guessing ,like most 22s they are not happy being dry fired . On the other hand you can't leave it laying around cocked.  I suppose one could take down the rifle ,release the hammer and reassemble every time but it seems there should be a better way. I have no history with old pumps so no one ever "splained" it to me.
 

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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 06:16:32 PM »
Just drop the hammer with a dummy round chambered, even a fired cartridge will be ok.
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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 06:54:13 AM »
Just drop the hammer with a dummy round chambered, even a fired cartridge will be ok.

Yeah, I looked at that but,,, This model is a controled feed coming up from the tube fed bottom. Too many chances for a spent to get fouled up.Also this is a gallery model and I have never seen a 22 short dummy round.

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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 07:04:12 AM »
A fired case will cushion the firing pin fall and can be installed in the chamber manually.. An empty LR case can be used, may require a little compressiom of the front end to get it started.. I have made dummies for shorts etcetera for function testing..fron delrin rod.. One could also pull a bullet, dump the powder and fire the primer. reinserting the bullet will give a function tesing dummy but great care must be used to keep a live round out of the chamber! The delrin dummys are a different color...
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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2012, 07:54:08 AM »
My brother has one of those that he bought at a flea market for $125.00. Wouldn't shoot worth crap until we tried subsonic ammo in it. It's right at benchrest accurate with the CCI Subsonic ammo. He's not around for me to ask how he lets the hammer down but as I remember correctly he holds the trigger back with the action open and then closes it which allows the hammer to follow the pump slide/bolt down. In case you don't have an owners manual, I found one on the net for him. Here it is:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:LiYJyhBfOPIJ:www.remington.com/~/media/Files/Owners-Manuals/Model%252012%252012A%2520Rimfire.ashx+remington+model+12+owners+manual&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjSZ4XrJYjE4SgALGV2_muk4eWeEI3w-KTYKArbfwEOFU8ERpUFI445K7-fnqPY1PPDgzzptDiWgFQvRwFXRt7NoZXTV-lDnxLDIWpOdUMCKh3sd0VYWGhFqPYBpysgZHKmIErT&sig=AHIEtbRyZNrlMmL0pGKTngLBdo0KzH5E1g

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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2012, 12:21:22 PM »
Thanks gunnut 69 and Larry l , those are some solutions to try . Larry thanks for the manual, I had not found that. Man , back in the day you could get a pretty fancy 22 for 75 bucks. Where are they now?

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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 08:32:25 PM »
Man , back in the day you could get a pretty fancy 22 for 75 bucks. Where are they now?
Those $75 rifles are still available... in places you get paid a dollar a day!  ;D

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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 04:44:44 AM »
Can't speak for this model in particular, but this is just splitting hairs.   Some non exposed hammer pumps can be closed uncocked same as you close a bolter uncocked.   Worth a try, better than storing with a spent case in it, at least for long term storage in high humidity areas.    You won't be facing this daily unless you shoot it daily or sit around dry firing it.    Countless rimfires have survived for decade after decade after decade just fine by simply pulling the trigger on an empty chamber to uncock.    Nor are they damaged by just leaving them cocked... springs don't wear out from being left cocked.    I haven't had any pumpers that didn't have exposed hammers for a long time, but those I did I either did the bolter thing, simply pulled the trigger on an empty chamber or left them cocked with no problems whatsoever.
 
   
 
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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2012, 02:26:34 PM »
With my remington pump I leave the spent shell and don't rack a live round till ready to shoot. I just use my pump around the yard for pest and keep it loaded with CB shorts. great for yard work.
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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2012, 10:46:10 PM »
     I have one that my father bought used for 2 bucks. That was at least 75 years ago. I have owned it for the last 22 years and doubt if it was ever stored uncocked. I know it hasn't been for 22 years.

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Re: Need some old timey pump gun operating procedure.
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 06:52:07 PM »
Actually springs do wear out from remaining cocked... They can take a set and produce less tension.. This may or may not cause a problem.
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