The Libya cover up. My theory.

[Doc Brown.]

While talking to my brother today about the Libya cover up I posed the question why would they try so hard to tell a lie so big knowing it would be found out so easily.
 
Then as we was watching the TV we seen the date the attack took place. 9-11
 
My brother said maybe the president didn't want to see the stock market affected by a mass panic by announcing to the world within minutes of the attack that it was a terrorist attack. We think the president thought everyone would have a horrific flash backs of 9-11 2001 and run out to the store for batteries and flash lights and canned food.
 
Im sure if bush was still president we would have went on Red alert and had are nukes on stand by and the air raid sirens would have been going off. LOL well maybe not.
 
Its certainly possible though that this was a decision to calm any fears that would trigger a panic. I believe so strongly in this theory that Im willing to forgive the president and still vote for him.

[powderman]

doc. Nothing but a coverup to protect husseins brother muslims. The fact that hussein denied giving them the security that was asked for despite overwhelming evidence of what was to come convinces me that he was part of it. He condemned those men to die. He has more American blood on his hands. POWDERMAN. 

[oldandslow]

Personally I think it was just his usual 'it's not my fault" stance that he goes into every time something happens that's bad.

[gypsyman]

P.T. Barnum said there was one born every minute. gypsyman

[lakota]

He didnt want a dead US ambassador and several other dead americans who were killed in a terrorist attack the complicate his reelection bid.

[Sensai]

What Lakota said, plus the fact that he isn't capable of telling the truth about anything.

[painted horse]

He didnt want a dead US ambassador and several other dead americans who were killed in a terrorist attack the complicate his reelection bid.

Seems to have worked for at least one individual here...

[Doc Brown.]

doc. Nothing but a coverup to protect husseins brother muslims. The fact that hussein denied giving them the security that was asked for despite overwhelming evidence of what was to come convinces me that he was part of it. He condemned those men to die. He has more American blood on his hands. POWDERMAN. 

 
I don't think that Obama knew they wanted more security. I hope he didn't know because if he did that would make me sick.  Who ever denied them extra security should be put into jail.
 
Americas the equivalent to an Alien race when it comes to Libya or most other small countries. For us to loose men at our own embassy is a real tragedy. An American embassy is real American soil and why the guys over there didn't have a safe room that would actually protect them is crazy.  We have to much technology to loose to a hand full of terrorist with Mortars and RP Gs.  Why wouldn't they have an underground safe house that could have protected them? Also why didn't they have any remote controlled Arms that could have been deployed from the safe room.

[magooch]

I don't think it's all that complicated.  Look who's running the State Department and look who her boss is.  They're both incompetent and instinctive liars, so when things go sideways, they lie and then they lie about the lie.  They can't have their narrative about the terrorists being defeated and the Middle East on the path to democracy refuted right before the election.

[rickt300]

While talking to my brother today about the Libya cover up I posed the question why would they try so hard to tell a lie so big knowing it would be found out so easily.
 
Then as we was watching the TV we seen the date the attack took place. 9-11
 
My brother said maybe the president didn't want to see the stock market affected by a mass panic by announcing to the world within minutes of the attack that it was a terrorist attack. We think the president thought everyone would have a horrific flash backs of 9-11 2001 and run out to the store for batteries and flash lights and canned food.
 
I'm sure if bush was still president we would have went on Red alert and had are nukes on stand by and the air raid sirens would have been going off. LOL well maybe not.
 
Its certainly possible though that this was a decision to calm any fears that would trigger a panic. I believe so strongly in this theory that I'm willing to forgive the president and still vote for him.

"The Libya cover-up" has no definable excuse. The only logical bids were either an attack on free speech (put the man in jail) or to hide the fact Obama's middle east policy is a sham. It is indeed honorable (though odd) that you would forgive the worst president since Lincoln for being a pathological sociopath.

[rickt300]

doc. Nothing but a coverup to protect husseins brother muslims. The fact that hussein denied giving them the security that was asked for despite overwhelming evidence of what was to come convinces me that he was part of it. He condemned those men to die. He has more American blood on his hands. POWDERMAN. 

 
I don't think that Obama knew they wanted more security. I hope he didn't know because if he did that would make me sick.  Who ever denied them extra security should be put into jail.
 
Americas the equivalent to an Alien race when it comes to Libya or most other small countries. For us to loose men at our own embassy is a real tragedy. An American embassy is real American soil and why the guys over there didn't have a safe room that would actually protect them is crazy.  We have to much technology to loose to a hand full of terrorist with Mortars and RP Gs.  Why wouldn't they have an underground safe house that could have protected them? Also why didn't they have any remote controlled Arms that could have been deployed from the safe room.

If indeed Obama did not know that more security was needed then his job performance is spot on with my opinion of him. Your questions speak for themselves, why?

[Cuts Crooked]

 
 
I don't think that Obama knew they wanted more security. I hope he didn't know because if he did that would make me sick.  Who ever denied them extra security should be put into jail.
 
Americas the equivalent to an Alien race when it comes to Libya or most other small countries. For us to loose men at our own embassy is a real tragedy. An American embassy is real American soil and why the guys over there didn't have a safe room that would actually protect them is crazy.  We have to much technology to loose to a hand full of terrorist with Mortars and RP Gs.  Why wouldn't they have an underground safe house that could have protected them? Also why didn't they have any remote controlled Arms that could have been deployed from the safe room.

Ok, we went over this a while back. An American Embassy is NOT "American Soil". An embassy has the status of a guest in the host nation.


AS for why all the stupid misstatements from the OB administration, I strongly suspect that OB had no #%&^ing idea what the hell was going on......as usual.

[Cuts Crooked]

Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions do not enjoy full extraterritorial status and are not sovereign territory of the represented state.^[5][6] Rather, the premises of diplomatic missions remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country. The term "extraterritoriality" is often applied to diplomatic missions, but only in this broader sense.
As the host country may not enter the representing country's embassy without permission, embassies are sometimes used by refugees escaping from either the host country or a third country. For example, North Korean nationals, who would be arrested and deported from China upon discovery, have sought sanctuary at various third-country embassies in China. Once inside the embassy, diplomatic channels can be used to solve the issue and send the refugees to another country. See List of people who took refuge in a diplomatic mission for a list of some notable cases.
Notable violations of embassy extraterritoriality include repeated invasions of the British Embassy, Beijing (1967),^[7] the Iran hostage crisis (1979–1981), the Japanese embassy hostage crisis at the ambassador's residence in Lima, Peru (1996), the overrunning of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo, Egypt (2011).^[8]

[briarpatch]

The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations only applies to other countries it does not apply to the USA. Other countries are free to engage in the destruction of American embassies as and when they see fit. This applies to mostly democarat administrations of course.

[Empty Quiver]

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"AS for why all the stupid misstatements from the OB administration, I strongly suspect that OB had no #%&^ing idea what the hell was going on......as usual."



 Gonna be a new cell tower put up on the back 9 to eliminate these problems.
 
 Not Dear Leaders fault, it's that lack of infrastructure capital thing again.

[Cuts Crooked]

The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations only applies to other countries it does not apply to the USA. Other countries are free to engage in the destruction of American embassies as and when they see fit. This applies to mostly democarat administrations of course.

Better check again my friend. America is a signatory of the Vienna Convention.

[briarpatch]

Missed the sarcasm there cuts? Or maybe my fault, no face thingy?

[Cuts Crooked]

Missed the sarcasm there cuts? Or maybe my fault, no face thingy?

OK! 

[hunt-m-up]

I think it's a pretty big leap to assume Obama cares about what happens to someone in a foreign embassy, beyond the implications/complications it may pose for his candidacy. To him it's simply time to throw another peon under the bus and move on.

[dwalk]

He didnt want a dead US ambassador and several other dead americans who were killed in a terrorist attack the complicate his reelection bid.

^this...
obama had it in his mind, he would be re-elected with ease.
i think he's in the "Panic" mode at the moment as he watches his re-election bid slip thru his fingers.

[joeinwv]

Conspiracy time?

Obama didn't want to have to explain how the state department / CIA in Libya managed to lose some of the heavy arms they were selling to Syria, and that they ended up in Al Qaeda's hands. Our Ambassador was there to try and negotiate the recovery of those arms. Guns we are giving to bad guys end up killing Americans. Remind anyone of "Fast & Furious"?

We had a predator drone on station. There is every indication that our .gov was watching this attack live. With air support ready and able to be on scene within 1 hour, someone told our troops to stand down and let our people in Bengazi die. Instead of close air support from an AC130, the only responders to this attack were the Libyan police.

Once the election is over, if BHO is back in office, look for Hillary to resign.

[rickt300]

Conspiracy time?

Obama didn't want to have to explain how the state department / CIA in Libya managed to lose some of the heavy arms they were selling to Syria, and that they ended up in Al Qaeda's hands. Our Ambassador was there to try and negotiate the recovery of those arms. Guns we are giving to bad guys end up killing Americans. Remind anyone of "Fast & Furious"?

We had a predator drone on station. There is every indication that our .gov was watching this attack live. With air support ready and able to be on scene within 1 hour, someone told our troops to stand down and let our people in Bengazi die. Instead of close air support from an AC130, the only responders to this attack were the Libyan police.

Once the election is over, if BHO is back in office, look for Hillary to resign.

Where did this information come from?

[gypsyman]

After seeing the news this morning, and seeing that there was alot of emails going back and forth,before,during, and right after the attack. Obie knew exactly what was going on. My guess is, he had stand down orders, from his boss's, and they were hoping for the best. But, in true typical muzzy fashion, they did what they do best. Kill unarmed citizens. IF, the news media, meaning ABC,NBC, and CBS, has any guts or conscience left, they'll pressure him on this. But, I doubt they'll do any real pushing, as they have their orders too. Nixon resigned over something that wasn't nearly as bad. But, I guess for some of you, short of raping a 12 year girl in a wheelchair, Obie can do no wrong. This is why this country has to go thru a transformation, and, I believe it'll be a costly one. In lives as well as money. gypsyman

[OldSchoolRanger]

Personally I think it was just his usual 'it's not my fault" stance that he goes into every time something happens that's bad.

Obama: You mean I can't blame "W Bush" for this fiasco? He was in office almost 4 years ago, I can still blame him for everything, right? right?"

[wganz]

"AS for why all the stupid misstatements from the OB administration, I strongly suspect that OB had no #%&^ing idea what the hell was going on......as usual."

The latest leaks show that they knew in the White House that a terrorist organization had claimed responsibility for the attacks at 2 hours into the attack. It has been known that there was live video feed from the embassy back to the State Department. There was a video feed from an unarmed drone. It is quite a stretch for me to believe that with that much info available, that 0bama didn't know.

There were Specter gunships an hour away in Italy. There were other NATO assets in Malta, Italy, and Greece. Additionally, if they could put 'unarmed' Predators over the area; they should be able to get 'armed' drones there also(not convinced that the Predators videoing it all were unarmed). Not to mention that there is a country named Israel that owes us a lot of payback on past favors that would be chomping at the bit to put some hurt on tango's if someone had just called them. There is a whole Airborne brigade in Italy that should have at least a company sized element on alert status that could have in the air&enroute in a matter of minutes. Not sure how long it would have taken them to get there though.

The point that was raised and is most troubling to me is whatever happened to 'No man left behind'?

[hunt-m-up]

"AS for why all the stupid misstatements from the OB administration, I strongly suspect that OB had no #%&^ing idea what the hell was going on......as usual."

The latest leaks show that they knew in the White House that a terrorist organization had claimed responsibility for the attacks at 2 hours into the attack. It has been known that there was live video feed from the embassy back to the State Department. There was a video feed from an unarmed drone. It is quite a stretch for me to believe that with that much info available, that 0bama didn't know.

There were Specter gunships an hour away in Italy. There were other NATO assets in Malta, Italy, and Greece. Additionally, if they could put 'unarmed' Predators over the area; they should be able to get 'armed' drones there also(not convinced that the Predators videoing it all were unarmed). Not to mention that there is a country named Israel that owes us a lot of payback on past favors that would be chomping at the bit to put some hurt on tango's if someone had just called them. There is a whole Airborne brigade in Italy that should have at least a company sized element on alert status that could have in the air&enroute in a matter of minutes. Not sure how long it would have taken them to get there though.

The point that was raised and is most troubling to me is whatever happened to 'No man left behind'?

Apparently that doesn't apply in an election year...

[ChungDoQuan]

There is no "cover-up."  It does not exist. Question: what SHOULD have happened? (I'm trying to figure out how the righties think this attack by anyone, was the president's fault, so help me out here.)  "Cover up?" The most publicized "cover up" in US history, isn't it?

[powderman]

chung. Do you ever listen to or read any American news sources?? POWDERMAN. 

[bagdadjoe]

There is no "cover-up."  It does not exist. Question: what SHOULD have happened? (I'm trying to figure out how the righties think this attack by anyone, was the president's fault, so help me out here.)  "Cover up?" The most publicized "cover up" in US history, isn't it?

The problem is that Obama's whole team lied about what they knew.  If they had come right out and said it was a "terrorist attack", much of this would have been defused.  The reason they didn't is that the embassy had been asking for more security and it was denied.  Obama was not directly at fault that the terrorists attacked the embassy, but he was directly at fault for trying to blame the attack on a video instead of Al Queda.  Well, you say, Hillary said we didn't have all the information at first.  They still lied.  If they didn't have information that it was a terrorist attack then they also didn't have information there was a "demonstration that spun out of control"...which there was no mention of in any of the newly released emails that the State Dept recieved in the first hour of the attack.  They made it up.  When you try to substitute fiction for facts...I'd call it a cover up.  What do you call it?

[powderman]