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If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not an American:

The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz

It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types, including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.

An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.

There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the dark of night, clouds, and smoke.

The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can engage hard targets.

What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the terrorists and saving American lives.

See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.

Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise. The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.

 
Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a Spectre on station.

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target.  That means that Specter WAS ON STATION!  Probably an AC130U.  A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser.  You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage!  And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/?singlepage=true
   
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I watched the video and then showed it to my wife.   she called obama a name that I didn't think I would ever hear out of her mouth.
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Help was there from several sources but denied. Looks to me like hussein wanted the ambassador dead. I believe that he intentionally let those men die. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html


Might wanna read what Patraeus said about it this evening. There's a lot of folks now calling for Obama to be tried in court for murder along with several others in his camp. I doubt we see that but if he's re-elected, there's going to be a ton of civil unrest. Hope yer well stocked on ammo.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html


Might wanna read what Patraeus said about it this evening. There's a lot of folks now calling for Obama to be tried in court for murder along with several others in his camp. I doubt we see that but if he's re-elected, there's going to be a ton of civil unrest. Hope yer well stocked on ammo.
I'm ready.
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LARRY L. Thanks for the link. Hope the obama supporters are proud of their hero. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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I find this kind of political gaming particularly disgusting, since somebody is trying to 'capitalize' on the terrible deaths of 4 Americans....more or less attempting to undo BHO's political capital gained from 'the alleged Osama' hit.
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people are just upset because hillary can spend $770 million to rebuild cairos sewer system (egypt, not Ill) and can't spare a dime to protect american citizens.
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Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Ridiculous razzle-dazzle, and lame political gaming of the Rush Limblow kind. Our guys have been lazing and painting targets all over Lybia and the ME for years now. Shooting up the place from he!! to Timbuktoo.  They wouldn't need POTUS to approve saving or undoing an attack, especially on an Ambassador, or any of our guys...they would simply shoot and ask questions later like any other day in Lybia and elsewhere.  If push came to shove they could blame their results on a terrorist or a suicide bomber.
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I find this kind of political gaming particularly disgusting, since somebody is trying to 'capitalize' on the terrible deaths of 4 Americans....more or less attempting to undo BHO's political capital gained from 'the alleged Osama' hit.
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It's ok though when your Messiah does a coverup to forward his "political gaming". It is unfortunate the clouded minds of leftists are so one sighted.
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If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not an American:

The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz

It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types, including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.

An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.

There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the dark of night, clouds, and smoke.

The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can engage hard targets.

What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the terrorists and saving American lives.

See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.

Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise. The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.

 
Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a Spectre on station.

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target.  That means that Specter WAS ON STATION!  Probably an AC130U.  A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser.  You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage!  And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

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I watched the video and then showed it to my wife.   she called obama a name that I didn't think I would ever hear out of her mouth.
Where can I get a look at this video?
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Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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the issue is simple:
IF the CIC,VP and sec of state knew of, and watched, the attack in real time, from two predator drones, overhead on the scene...they should have OK'd liting up the area with spectre...they KNOW the capabilities of the gunships (IF they don't, they damned well should! it's their job to know)...as some said above...if the targets were painted...there was a reason.
we, meaning the U.S. fighting forces do NOT leave our brothers to die!
as a veteran, every time one of my comrade in arms fall, a piece of me falls.
say, and believe, what you will...the buck stops at the presidents desk...he, biden and klinton, should be removed from office by impeachment.
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....I'm still waiting for anyone to come out and tell me who the "unnamed sources" are on this one?

Got claims that they asked for help and were told no.......WHO CLAIMS THIS?

Got claims that rescue personnel were ready and waiting and were told to stand down.......WHO CLAIMS THIS?

Got claims that the former Navy Seals "painted the target".......WHO CLAIMS THIS?

I'm getting sick to death of "unnamed sources".......unnamed sources also claim that it's going to rain gold on every Romney supporter and all Obama supporters are going to die a horrible death! ::)

Time to hear it from the horses mouth!!!!!!!!! Or it's ALL just a bunch of BS!....Right now, no ones is naming names. :-\
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The whole Benghazigate fiasco is just more righty media mythology. Every right wing blog quotes the same unnamed sources, or at least each other. They have changed the paradigm to "garbage out, garbage in."
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chong. Tell that to the widows and family of those killed. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Okay Chung, ya want names of those who responded and not only were told several times to stand down but now has lost their job- fired by the traitor in the White House. Hope you can read:
http://patdollard.com/2012/10/did-obama-fire-general-ham-of-africom-for-attempting-to-buck-his-order-and-rescue-stevens/


And the same POS in DC is firing an admiral that's in charge of the fleet in the Arab Gulf.....for undisclosed reasons.

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Okay Chung, ya want names of those who responded and not only were told several times to stand down but now has lost their job- fired by the traitor in the White House. Hope you can read:
http://patdollard.com/2012/10/did-obama-fire-general-ham-of-africom-for-attempting-to-buck-his-order-and-rescue-stevens/


And the same POS in DC is firing an admiral that's in charge of the fleet in the Arab Gulf.....for undisclosed reasons.

Sorry if I'm not impressed........ONCE AGAIN UNNAMED SOURCES!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)

Come on people! I've been looking, I'm sure some of you have been looking too, and all we're finding is UNNAMED SOURCES. What can I believe with that sort of jibberjabber?

Look, I'm perfectly willing to throw Obama and company into a pit full of rabid baboons, but there's GOT to be some real person somewhere  who was witness too and can attest to the facts in this horror! Where the heck are they?
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I had a hard time listening to that guy! Absolutewackjob sounding! :o And he wasn't naming witnesses.
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Y'all DO realize the whole "man on the roof" scenario has been debunked? Apparently it was one of those chain emails. But, keep trying--- I know of two admirals and a general now that have been fired, for some reason, relating to the most publicized cover up in history.  ;D
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I urge everyone to go see Obama's America 2016.  It is done by an Indian-American (from India).  He does a thorough investigation as to what makes Obama tick.  It is the only logical explaination I have seen.  He is not a Muslim.  He is not a True Christian.  He is someone who was taught about colonialism by the western powers as evil.  He views 3 evils of colonialism, military take over, Christian missionaries changing people, and capitalist merchants exploiting the resources of colonial areas.  He thinks America was colonialist in their anexation of Hawaii.  Europeans colonialised Africa, parts of Asia, etc.  The indiginious peoples, Obama thinks because of his communist father, thought communism, and fighting to throw off colonial powers was the only way to be free.  He thinks America is rich because of exploiting the world.  This is what his real father believed (from Dreams From my Father) to what Rev. Wright taught.  So, he doesn't give congress a budget, spends over $1 trillion over revenues each year, and is cutting back on our military.  He wants to take from the "rich Americans" and give this money back to the exploited people of the world.  He hasn't looked at Japan, modern China, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, and India are doing by "copying" American Capitalism and freedom.  He only sees poor African nations and Islamic nations as being exploited.  Even though many former colonies are worse off today than under colonial rule, and even though Opec sets the oil prices.  He MUST GO No mater who goes in.  Hillary Clinton would have been better than Obama as much as I dislike their politics, at least it was American left, not FAR LEFT MARXIST ideas. 

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Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Cuts, ever think that ''unnamed sourse's'', don't want to lose their job or life. That's why their ''unnamed''. I feel sorry for the others here, that actually give this administration a pass on this. Your getting kicked in the face, and you can't see the mule doing it. gypsyman
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I don't think anyone's giving them a "pass," but, like they say on CSI, you gotta have evidence.
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Obama's middle east policies have FAILED which lead to these deaths. 

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Obama's middle east policies have FAILED which lead to these deaths.

 
DIXIE DUDE. Probably needs to bow and scrape some more, kiss some more hands rings, and muslim butts, seems to be real popular with him. What ya want to bet he's privately been apologizing for our Seals defening our honor??
chong. And yes, you seem to be defending hussein and giving him a pass when you know he was wrong. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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An airplane using a 105 mm gun  hmm dunno about that one. :-\
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  • I feel much better now knowing it will get worse.
It isn't the mounting I was concerned with, more of the recoil, I've seen the 105's as howitzers and tank mounted. If whatever the A-10 carry isn't enough IMO it ought not be on an aircraft.
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Offline Bob Riebe

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Some AC-130s used 105mm cannons.