You all want HIM for president?

[BBF]

I believe that aircraft was flown by the top German test pilot Hanna Reitsch during a demonstration of the aircraft in the Berlin Olympics. BTW Same Hanna that test flew the V1

[guzzijohn]

And the same Hanna that test flew the Comet. She was quite the pilot.
GuzziJohn

[guzzijohn]

Sorry about the thread drift but this is interesting:


The Fieseler Storch was the last dogfight victim of the western front. Pilot Duanes Francies and his observer, Lieutenant William Martin, of the 5th US Army Division, spotted a Storch circling below them while looking for ground targets in their Piper Cub. Diving on the Storch, the two men opened fire with their Colt .45s and the plane spiraled to the ground. After a short gun battle, Francies and his observer took the two Germans into custody. Lt. Martin was awarded the Air Medal for his part in the fight, but Francies would have to wait until the story was reported in Cornelius Ryan's book "The Last Battle," to finally be awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. The USAF was 22 years late. Apart from being the last Luftwaffe plane lost in the west, this Storch was also the only enemy plane downed by pistol fire during the war.

[Anna]

And the same Hanna that test flew the Comet. She was quite the pilot.
GuzziJohn

Talk about a rocket in your pocket ! WW2 trivia is always an interesting subject.

[LONGTOM]

Sorry CDQ, I did know that it is the Senate that has filibusters and not the house.
I just got my member numbers for each branch mixed up so you are right and I am wrong about the filibuster part.
 
Now I am done.
 
 
LONGTOM

[Empty Quiver]

Well someone left a flyer on the front porch today.
 
 At the risk of giving away the whole story, it seems that, Barrack Obama is, and has been, a lousy President.
 
Well, that seals it, I'm voting for Mitt.

[ChungDoQuan]

The government is slow because the right has stripped it down to the point that there aren't enough workers to function. It's like public education--- they've taken away so much money people have to buy textbooks for their kids; the teaching ratio is 40+ to one, and then they complain that it's ineffective. The French Revolution happened because the capitalist aristocracy accumulated so much wealth without restrictions that the people could not sustain common trade. The October Revolution happened because of the same thing--- except the Czar and foreign capitalists from France, Germany, the UK, and the US were the unrestricted cap[italists. THIS country was formed in protest of the unrestricted capitalist practices of the British governors and the East India Company. Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, the list of socialist countries that formed in response to the inevitable debt incurred by not restricting capitalists is pretty long. I didn't make the rules; I'm just pointing out how the game is played.

The socialist countries that formed from Cuba (Cuba is communist Chung), Nicaraugua (Cuba invaded Nicaraugua Chung), and Venezuela( are you sure Chung?) in responce ot inevitable debt incurred by not restricting capitalist? Not so at all, debt had nothing to do with these countries falling into communism but Russia did. In fact Cuba was doing pretty well before Castro with unrestricted capitalism though at best one could say Batista was a fascist. You actually are like the sugar cane farmer that could not change and find a better way to support himself, so filled with rage at those who could he helps Castro kill thousands and ends up being a sugar cane farmer!
 
Edited by Mod.

Communists! There have never been any real communist countries. About the closest thing you'll find in the most recent years would be Israel--- remember kibbutzes? (That may be Yiddish for "commune," because that's what they were.) Oh, I guess you COULD call military bases communes, too. The AMERICANS (Corporations and millionaires) that went to Cuba because of the lack of restrictions on capitalism were doing great! The Cuban peasants, not so great. Have you ever heard this?:

"At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands-- almost all the cattle ranches--  90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions-- 80 percent of the utilities-- practically all the oil industry-- and supplied two thirds of Cuba's imports."  President John F. Kennedy, 1960

Nicaragua?  A few US capitalist investors with help from our government had installed the Somoza dictatorship, and, along with a few local 1% ers, were again sucking the money our of the working people like sponges until Fonseca ASKED the USSR and Cuba to help arm the Sandanistas in 1961--- by that time there were so few people actually employed by the capitalists that he had no trouble recruiting an army.

Our buddies the Venezuelans listened to oil capitalists in the US and let them invest in their country. Then the oil prices dropped in the 1980s and the capitalists, instead of writing the whole thing off as a business loss, started stacking debt onto the country, which could not pay, as the only thing they produced was oil. That started megainflation, because the currency was based on oil and already devalued.  Since the actual oil facilities had been nationalized, so the capitalists could sell parts and lease ships rather than pay for them themselves, Chavez didn't have much trouble nationalizing the whole oil trade, controlling the currency, and getting the country back on its feet.

I can do this all day, going back at least to the French Revolution. The USSR collapsed mainly because, with the influence of the US, it was almost impossible for them to trade outside their own borders--- not good in a world economy.

I'm NOT anti-US. I'm NOT pushing for a socialist government. NO pure form of government will work for very long. I am a capitalist. I want big business to be controlled enough to keep small business and manufacturing viable. The only way someone like me can fight back at the gluttonous 1% is with the government. If the government can't protect the people, it's not worth much. I've said this before: cocaine and meth dealers wish there were truly free market capitalism in this country.

[Anna]

CDQ , are you ok ? 

[mcwoodduck]

Do some research on the sin of gluttony. Now think in terms of money as a substitute for food.  All those countries who have "copied" our form of capitalism are successful because they have restrictions on their capitalists. I believe in capitalism--- with sufficient controls (call it socialism, if you want, since that seems to suit you) to keep from happening what happened under GW. Unrestricted capitalism historically initiates collapse of governments. That's the rules.

No when governments get involved like Obama and dictate what goods are going ot be produced and what goods are not and not allow the market to correct it's self that is when you have a collapse. Can you say Solar?
The Soviet Union and all the satalite countries of Eastern Europe were Dictated suppy economics and it led to shortages, it led to over stocks, it led to Black Markets and finally the added corruption to a corrupt government is what made it collapse.
In a pure economic capitalist system the government will not have reign over the companies but will regulate behavior (insider trading - Mrs Clinton!) and set up a fair and not over burdening tax system. 
You are correct that there is greed and it is in the government.  The demand more nad more nad produce less and less. 
From our education, infrastructure, social programs that only produce more needy to justify their existance.
In one of your other posts you talked about Educatiuon and the need to spend more.  That is greedy.  We have less and lees shown the more $ we pour into it.  But you liberals still cry we need more for the children,  When we have proven that the Public system does not work and that vouchers and charter schools do work to educate children but you fight tooth and nail to stop what works.
No matter what the problem is to a liberal the answer is Government and higher taxes on others to pay for it.  We have had 60 years of mostly Democratic rule in Congress and the more liberal programs we have the worse the country gets.  It is as if they know what they are doing is going ot hurt the country and the war on the rich only produces more poor and hurts the ones that were poor.
Tell you what if you can form an argument using a Supply and demand curve that will support your argument that more taxes (Obama Plan) are good for the economy I will vote for Obama.

[BUGEYE]

the sin of gluttony.

ha,ha,ha,  this is liberal-speak for a person working hard for the betterment of his family.

[ChungDoQuan]

CDQ , are you ok ? 

I'm fine, thank you.  I just have always had a compulsion to not take anyone at their word, at least not when it comes to politics--- I do my own fact checking. The truth IS out there--- sometimes it's "OUT THERE." I don't expect to change many minds here. It's just been my experience that the things politicians paint as evil usually have a mundane explanation. (Money!) And, the things they try to sell us as good are pretty well the same. (Follow the money.) I think I do well for starting as a child on a sharecropped cotton farm--- I KNOW what poor people are going through, and I absolutely do not trust big money. If you think the deck is not stacked in their favor, I can't help you. (Thanks for asking, BTW.)

[ChungDoQuan]

the sin of gluttony.

ha,ha,ha,  this is liberal-speak for a person working hard for the betterment of his family.

If you're making a million a year, you're NOT just taking care of your family.

[mcwoodduck]

The government is slow because the right has stripped it down to the point that there aren't enough workers to function. It's like public education--- they've taken away so much money peopleBZZZT Wrong answer - The only budget that goes up year after year is the school budget,  The problem is that local pricnes in the cubiucal kingdoms of the schools have a spend it or loose it policy and they will spend what funds are left so they get  them next year along with the manditory increase that to day is about 6 times more then the standard growth rate.  The money is spent on items that are not needed and are usually not used. have to buy textbooks for their kids; the teaching ratio is 40+ to one, and then they complain that it's ineffective. Charter Schools are effective and maybe the school would have money for Math books if they did not have to buy Sara has two mommies. The French Revolution happened because the capitalist aristocracy accumulated so much wealth without restrictions that the people could not sustain common trade. BZZZT they economic collapse was due to government over spending (sound familiar) and the raising of taxes that cut a prosporus middle class making them mad like the colonists were mad in the the US at the excessive taxes. The October Revolution happened because of the same thing BZZZT No Lennin was sent with Money from Germany to disrupt the Czar so he would not beable ot rejoin the war.  Iraq did the same thing with the Iatola in Iran.--- except the Czar and foreign capitalists from France, Germany, the UK, and the US were the unrestricted cap[italists. THIS country was formed in protest of the unrestricted capitalist practices of the British governors BZZT no re read your history books it was the excessive taxes that were levied on the colony to pay for the overspending of the government! and the East India Company Was notyhing more than a trade company and paid taxes on goods they were mad that we dumped a bunch of expensive tea in the harbor, but then again most merchants are mad when riots and looting happen.. Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, the list of socialistBZZT Communist (socialsin allows pricvate ownership of assets Communism does not) countries that formed in response to the inevitable debt incurred by not restricting capitalists is pretty long. I didn't make the rules; I'm just pointing out how the game is played.

There you go again! You are living proof that communists know so much that isn't true. You are the perfect (sic!) example of what is wrong with this country, brainwashed with propaganda and a small piece of the lying game that is being played on all of us. The socialist countries that formed from Cuba (Cuba is communist Chung), Nicaraugua (Cuba invaded Nicaraugua Chung), and Venezuela( are you sure Chung?) in responce ot inevitable debt incurred by not restricting capitalist? Not so at all, debt had nothing to do with these countries falling into communism but Russia did. In fact Cuba was doing pretty well before Castro with unrestricted capitalism though at best one could say Batista was a fascist. You actually are like the sugar cane farmer that could not change and find a better way to support himself, so filled with rage at those who could he helps Castro kill thousands and ends up being a sugar cane farmer!

Communists! There have never been any real communist countries. About the closest thing you'll find in the most recent years would be Israel--- remember kibbutzes Private groups not a form of government - You could take a look at different groups around our country and call us the same thing as well as dictatorships, theocrtacy......? (That may be Yiddish for "commune," because that's what they were.) Oh, I guess you COULD call military bases communes, too. The AMERICANS (Corporations and millionaires) that went to Cuba because of the lack of restrictions on capitalism were doing great! The Cuban peasants, not so great. Have you ever heard this?:

"At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands-- almost all the cattle ranches--  90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions-- 80 percent of the utilities-- practically all the oil industry-- and supplied two thirds of Cuba's imports."  President John F. Kennedy, 1960  Look at any Island economy all have massive imports.  And the companies that owned the lands paid locals to farm, harvest, refine and transport those materals, providing incomes for their economy to grow.   It is also expensive to mine and most people do not want to, or have the millions up front to open up a mine or refinary.   For an area to thrive you need to have an outside source of money and for Cuba it was the US and at the time I would argue that people were better off with private ownership than Government ownership.   

Nicaragua?  A few US capitalist investors with help from our government had installed the Somoza dictatorship, and, along with a few local 1% ers, were again sucking the money our of the working people like sponges until Fonseca ASKED the USSR and Cuba to help arm the Sandanistas in 1961--- by that time there were so few people actually employed by the capitalists that he had no trouble recruiting an army. Even with slave wages how do you suck money out of the poor?  You actually can see what happens to a poor nation when capitalism and natural resources are used.  China anyone that has moved from a pesant society to a middle class and wealthy in a very short time.  Granted the people are still slaves and subject to the whims of the communists with products sensored.  But hte chineese making goods and seeing what is available have demanded some of those goods.  Dealing with the communists that have no boundries is a different story and what is produced in your factory in China can be stolen from you and sold to your competitors for your markets.

Our buddies the Venezuelans listened to oil capitalists in the US and let them invest in their country. Then the oil prices dropped in the 1980s and the capitalists, instead of writing the whole thing off as a business loss, started stacking debt onto the country, which could not pay, as the only thing they produced was oil. That started megainflation, because the currency was based on oil and already devalued.  Since the actual oil facilities had been nationalized, so the capitalists could sell parts and lease ships rather than pay for them themselves, Chavez didn't have much trouble nationalizing the whole oil trade, controlling the currency, and getting the country back on its feet.

I can do this all day, going back at least to the French Revolution. The USSR collapsed mainly because, with the influence of the US, it was almost impossible for them to trade outside their own borders--- not good in a world economy.  I will not make the obnioxious buzzer sound here.  But the problem was not the imbargos.  It was the $.  Early on the Soviets moved from Silver and gold based currency to copper and nickel and it was not worth anything.  Items were traded like Natural gas for weat and Vodka for pepsi for them to get money that other people would recognize as equal to theirs.  In other words they had a Rubble made out of Cupro Nickel and weighed and ounce and wanted it to be worth a Canadian $ that was .6 of an ounce of silver or equal to the American $ that was 7/8 oz of silver.  One did not equal the other and no one in their right mind would give $20 woth of stuff for 20 rubbles that was worth 40 cents of metal.

I'm NOT anti-US. I'm NOT pushing for a socialist governmentBut you are.  Either we have a government that is only large enough to do what is needed to create free markets or you are for full government intervention.  The slippery slope of absolute power corrupts absolutly. NO pure form of government will work for very long. I am a capitalist. I want big business to be controlled enough to keep small business and manufacturing viable. The only way someone like me can fight back at the gluttonous 1% is with the government. If the government can't protect the people, it's not worth much. I've said this before: cocaine and meth dealers wish there were truly free market capitalism in this country.

[ChungDoQuan]

Ha! Ha! They should've stuck with the copper! Have you seen the prices today? If they had, their Ruples would be worth more than paper-backed dollars today! As to the size of the government, it should be big enough to control big business, not the other way around. Presently it is not.

[BUGEYE]

the sin of gluttony.

ha,ha,ha,  this is liberal-speak for a person working hard for the betterment of his family.

If you're making a million a year, you're NOT just taking care of your family.

LOL, I think Mitt gave a few million last year to charity and Church.

[ChungDoQuan]

Ha! Ha! They should've stuck with the copper! Have you seen the prices today? If they had, their Ruples would be worth more than paper-backed dollars today! As to the size of the government, it should be big enough to control big business, not the other way around. Presently it is not.

Presently government is choking business to death with control. The majority of jobs created by this administration have been in government. Government lives off the money we make, sucking blood like a monster parasite. I would be interested in what websites you follow when not trolling this one just to get a perspective of how far left and delusional your mentors are.

I don't know where you live, but you're just wrong. Obama has lightened the regs on coal and oil more in his first three years than GW did in his last three. The big money still enjoys their Bush tax cuts, and they are still not hiring--- haven't in the twelve years of the tax breaks. Banks are the parasites here, not government. I'm considerably older than most of you seem to think, and I have been in business longer that y'all give me credit for. In fact, I AM exactly who the right seems to think they represent, and all I've ever gotten from the Republicans is grief. I'm telling you, it's all smoke and mirrors. Don't BELIEVE; verify!

[Bob Riebe]

I don't know where you live, but you're just wrong. Obama has lightened the regs on coal and oil more in his first three years than GW did in his last three.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=87c1303a-7e9c-9af9-7d81-37771c380b87

This says you are wrong.
Where do you get your odd idea of what Obama has done?

[BUGEYE]

I don't know where you live, but you're just wrong. Obama has lightened the regs on coal and oil more in his first three years than GW did in his last three.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=87c1303a-7e9c-9af9-7d81-37771c380b87

This says you are wrong.
Where do you get your odd idea of what Obama has done?

Bob, the liberal kool-aid is laced with addictive drugs.  they can't help themselves.

[Dixie Dude]

I work in the natural gas industry.  REGULATIONS and RULES and the EPA has quadrupled my stupid paperwork, permitting etc.  ALL UNDER OBAMA's term.  Obama hasn't helped business, he has hurt it.  I work with 3 contractors, ALL have told me they would hire IF they knew what was going to happen.  If Obama raises their taxes, (their businesses makes over $250,000 a year).  They hire welders, backhoe and trackhoe operators, pipe fitters etc.  They are ALL scared.  They don't know when the next shoe is going to drop.  They have no problem borrowing money to expand.  Banks will lend them the money, but they don't want to get back into debt for fear of OBAMA.  OBAMA's POLICIES HAVE FAILED.  We are only struggleing along until we get rid of him. 

[ChungDoQuan]

I don't know where you live, but you're just wrong. Obama has lightened the regs on coal and oil more in his first three years than GW did in his last three.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=87c1303a-7e9c-9af9-7d81-37771c380b87

This says you are wrong.
Where do you get your odd idea of what Obama has done?

I said LIGHTENED the regs, not "did away" with them.  If a business can not do its thing without destroying the environment, and being liable for doing so, that business NEEDS to close. Sure, they MAY hire more workers (though they haven't yet)--- where do you expect to live? Where do you think you're children and grandchildren are going to live?  And, once again, it's not a question of the business not being profitable, it's the glutinous big money interests wanting to be MORE profitable. And saying that the businesses would hire if they knew what was going to happen is a cowardly, BS excuse--- they have never known what was going to happen. DD, your paperwork would not be so bad if you'd hire someone!

[ChungDoQuan]

I know, TM. "Free Market" capitalists want to make money tax and liability free, while enjoying the protection of publicly funded police and armed forces and enjoying transportation advantages on public roads. Who, exactly, is supposed to pay the taxes for these publicly funded advantages is not clear--- just not them!  Living in that bubble must be fascinating! 

[gypsyman]

CDQ, not 2 miles away from me, they are in the process of closing a coal fired electric plant, that's been making electricity for 60 or 70 years. (before I was around) Part of Obama's green plan. Sounds good. Trouble is, where is the juice coming from?? Wind and solar make less than 2% of the electricity we need. He's closed down gas/ oil exploration and production, we're now paying over double what it was during Bush. Food price's are up. Insurance premium's are up. And, it's going to get alot worse if he gets back in for a second term. He bends over backward for the unions, who the hell does the unions people work for?? BIG BUSINESS!! You think he's going to tax the big money makers, and that extra tax will not trickle down to the working man??  I've got an idea, why don't you go back to college, get your friends to sit around the campfire and sing kum-by-ya, and let the rest of us deal with the real world! gypsyman

[ChungDoQuan]

If that coal plant is 70 years old, it needs to be replaced. Do you have any respiratory problems? Know people who do? Do you know people around you who have died from lung disease, like cancer or COPD? Ask the people who live near you if they've ever had to paint their car or their house because of the damage from the coal smoke. Now ask them if they think the coal burners need to make more money by doing business the every-man-for-himself way.

[gypsyman]

CDQ, yes I do. I also know people that have died from cancer and respiratory illness's, that have never lived within 20 miles from a plant like this. I also know putting scrubbers on the stacks is quicker and cheaper than just shutting down and rebuilding a new plant. And, it'll be 30 or 40 years before solar and wind can even come close to producing enough energy. Do you think our economy can wait that long?? Obama is sliding us down hill at an alarming rate. I'm not sure Romney can stop it. But, he's what we've got, so I am willing to deal with it. gypsyman

[ironglow]

If that coal plant is 70 years old, it needs to be replaced. Do you have any respiratory problems? Know people who do? Do you know people around you who have died from lung disease, like cancer or COPD? Ask the people who live near you if they've ever had to paint their car or their house because of the damage from the coal smoke. Now ask them if they think the coal burners need to make more money by doing business the every-man-for-himself way.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
   Chung;
  The Coliseum is 2,000 years old and the pyramids are 3,500 years old..do they need to be replaced?  Not everything that has age on it needs to be replaced, because some are valuable and others are continually updated.  Can you be sure this coal plant hasn't been updated?  There are airplaned flying today that are 60-70 years old...and they are in equal condition to 2-3 year old craft..  Why?, because they are continually updated..not allowed to fly without it.  It would seem that a coal plant 70 years old must have been regularly brought up to standards..elsewise it would not be competitive.
  Yes; I know people with respiratory problems..but they don't live near a coal fired plant and never have.  Perhaps they smoke(d)..maybe they even smoked "whacky-weed"!  We know that tobacco is bad for one's health since it has been well researched..but whacky-weed ..we don't know...could be even worse.
A  On the other hand, My 76 year old lungs are outstanding..according to tests and my doctor!   as an artist/ blacksmith, I have spent countless hours bent over an open, coal fired forge, about 2.5 to 3 feet above the fire....How does that fit with your hypothesis?
 
   I'm a "coal-burner" and my neighbors don't complain!  Besides being common sense country folks..they enjoy the shepherd's crooks, hooks, tripods etc, that grace their homes, backyards and cemeteries.  They also enjoy the items now on display in local libraries and museums.
  Ask them and they will tell you, they appreciate this coal-burner..  They will also say a decent community is made up of people who assist and encourage one another when & where needed..and otherwise keep their noses out of their neighbor's business.

[ChungDoQuan]

You don't have to live near a coal plant to be affected by it. In Tennessee, when I was growing up, you could smell the paper mill that was 80 miles away. Against the wind. You also cannot compare an open forge to a closed boiler system, nor can you rule out other pollutants that weren't present for most of your life. A Sterling engine burning gasoline makes almost zero pollutants because it's burning in open air. Then again, you personally may be fine (as well as lucky), but that does not change the statistics for the general population around coal plants. AND, more than likely, the owners of that plant decided to close it rather than upgrade it with scrubbers because they would not make AS MUCH profit off it if they upgrade. You see, if it's been in operation for that long, they already made a fortune, and they don't care about you, the workers, or the people who depend on the electricity.

[Anna]

IG, I was going to mention that but you did instead. I'm am very sure that coal plant had not been operating for at least the last five years without some sort of scrubbers in place .
Sometimes the reasoning in closing a plant like that has to do with transportation cost and nothing more. Liberals always jump on any energy source we currently have, so why don't they come up with
something new and powerful enough to replace our current needs?
Wind farms ? That has been ongoing around here and it is effective, but then they all complained that
the turbines were ugly and it took to many of them in order to work properly.

So until these Star Trek Libby's can beam us down anything better,i guess we are stuck with what we've got. And coal still gives us more bang for the buck, when it's 102 degrees outside and your inside enjoying being out of the heat. Prolonged exposure to 102 will KILL you if you can't find shelter.
There is an old saying around anyplace that experiences that. You can always find a way to get warm.
But you can not so easily find a way to cool off.

[Val]

What dumycrats fail to comprehend is that Corporations don't send jobs over seas. Our Government does with the high corporate taxes and the cost bearing regulations they continually impose on our businesses. In order to compete on the Global market corporations need to send jobs overseas or go under. Unfortunately dumycrats all have tunnel vision. They increase taxes and add stifling regulations and they don't have a clue about the impact to the big picture.

Obama's cash award to GM (Government Motors) on behalf of the Auto Unions was used to build assembly plants in China. The taxpayers of this Country will never recover billions of dollars that was gifted to GM.

[Dixie Dude]

I have always been against bank and corporate bailouts.  If the bank is too big to fail, then it was too big to start with and the monopoly laws should have been enforced and broke them up into smaller banks.  Same with big corporations.  More competition = better prices and better service.  Remember the gas wars of the late 60's and early 70's.  More different gas stations = more competition.  If you remember when Bush asked for the first bailout, congress was in control by the democrats.  Almost all republicans voted against the bailouts with tax funded bailouts if you guys remember.  The banks should have gone through bankrupcy and their assets divided up for good banks to take over.  Same with GM and Chrysler.  Instead of the government taking the majority of stock in GM and Chrysler, they should have "loaned" the money and make the go through bankrupcy and a plan to payback the money like Chrysler did when Ronald Reagan was president and Lee Iococa was CEO of Chrysler.  Reorganizing, paying off debt, and the government buying Chrysler products for a few years to help out.  We could have done the same now and not have so much money invested.  The feds can't sell off their stock until it gets up above what they paid for it.  It is still about $10 below what they paid per share. 
 
However, even with the fiat currency, and even with the system we now have, getting the economy back on track can be done.  There are several ways.  I have mentioned several in other threads.  Obama isn't going to do it with his pay back to the "white" colonialists, "white" capitalists, "white" christian hate he got from his mother, his mother's family, Frank Davis, William Ayers, his father in Africa, his church for 20 years, communist/socialist idealism.  Romney has proved he can turn things around.  He and his company helped far more companies stay in business, like Staples, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Toys R Us, etc, than what had to be bankrupted.  He turned around a failing Olympica.  I was a governor so he has executive experience BEFORE he takes office.  So I think he is far more qualified to turn the country around than Obama. 

[SHOOTALL]

I noticed this board was conveniently avoiding this little news tidbit. I'm just wondering how y'all justify the kindly Mitt making profits sending even more American jobs to China.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/168477/romneys-every-town-counts-tour-skips-towns-battered-bain-capitalism

And the ridiculous FoxLies runs NOTHING on the fact that Rmoney's Bain Capital is outsourcing US jobs to China, but they're glad to report Jesse Jackson's arrest!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/24/rev-jesse-jackson-arrested-in-protests-with-workers-losing-jobs-at-freeport/

All I can say, is if you manage to elect this soulless non-Christian, y'all deserve him.

Man you hate him or what ? First you seem to like Obama , note he helped GM more if so then you defend your man since alot of the bail out money went to GM and they have built more GM factories in China , they have opened more dealerships in China AND SENT R&D TO CHINA , that sucking sound you hear is not jobs going to China from Romney but Obama's actions . Keep in mind Romney was a business man making a profit in the world he is forced to work in Obama is president of a country he should be protecting jobs in not financing companies moving to China.
 
Second really you think anything the rev JJ is assoicated with is creditable , get real when he shows up you know its a dog and pony show ................