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Trooper Fires From Chopper, Kills 2 Illegals    LA JOYA, Texas (AP) — A Texas state trooper who fired on a pickup truck from a helicopter and killed two illegal immigrants during a chase through the desert was trying to disable the vehicle and suspected it was being used to smuggle drugs, authorities said Friday.

The disclosure came a day after the incident that left two Guatemalan nationals dead on an isolated gravel road near the town of La Joya, just north of the Mexico border.

State game wardens were the first to encounter the truck Thursday. After the driver refused to stop, they radioed for help and state police responded, according to Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Mike Cox.

When the helicopter with a sharpshooter arrived, officers concluded that the truck appeared to be carrying a "typical covered drug load" on its bed and was travelling at reckless speeds, police said.

After the shots were fired and the truck's tires blown out, the driver lost control and crashed into a ditch. State police said a preliminary investigation revealed that the shots fired from the helicopter struck the vehicle's occupants.

Eight people who were in the truck were arrested. At least seven of them were also from Guatemala. No drugs were found.

The Guatemalan consul in McAllen, Alba Caceres, told The Associated Press that the surviving witnesses told her "one died immediately, the other was apparently taken to a hospital and died on the way."

The sharpshooter was placed on administrative leave, a standard procedure after such incidents.

An expert on police chases said the decision to fire on the truck was "a reckless act" that served "no legitimate law enforcement purpose."

"In 25 years following police pursuits, I hadn't seen a situation where an officer shot a speeding vehicle from a helicopter," said Geoffrey Alpert, professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina. Such action would be reasonable only if "you know for sure the person driving the car deserves to die and that there are no other occupants."

In general, he said, law enforcement agencies allow the use of deadly force only when the car is being used as a weapon, not "just on a hunch," Alpert added.

The Texas Department of Public Safety referred questions about its policy governing the use of deadly force to its general manual, which says troopers are allowed to use such force when defending themselves or someone else from serious harm or death. Shooting at vehicles is justified to disable a vehicle or when deadly force is deemed necessary.

Other law enforcement agencies that patrol the border say they have similar limits on the practice.

For instance, federal Customs and Borders Protection agents "are trained to use deadly force in circumstances that pose a threat to their lives, the lives of their fellow law enforcement partners and innocent third parties," agency spokesman Doug Mosier said.

But a report presented Thursday to the United Nations by the American Civil Liberties Union said shootings and excessive force by Customs and Border Protection agents on the border have left at least 20 individuals dead or seriously hurt since January 2010.

Of those, eight cases involved agents responding to reports of people throwing rocks. Six involved people killed while standing on the Mexican side of the border.

In recent years, Texas state police have increased their presence in the border area, deploying more agents, more helicopters and more boats to patrol the Rio Grande.

Troopers are regularly involved in high-speed pursuits, often chasing drug smugglers into the river and back to Mexico.

Agency Director Stephen McCraw has said state police were pushed into that role because the federal government's efforts to secure the border have been insufficient.

Diplomats quickly began their own investigation into the chase.

The head of the Guatemalan Consulate in McAllen said she is demanding federal and state authorities provide an explanation.

"I am baffled. I can't understand how this could happen," Caceres said. "I understand that the agents are doing their job, that they are protecting their border. But if there is someone who is responsible for this, he has to pay."

The Guatemalans started their journey 19 days ago near Guatemala City, with plans to stay with friends and relatives in New York, New Jersey and Houston, she said.

They were covered with a tarp, but as the car sped away from the game warden and the helicopter, the men "were having lots of trouble holding on to that tarp, Caceres said. "They must have seen them."

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Associated Press Writer Romina Ruiz-Goiriena in Guatemala City contributed to this report. 
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cops are always shooting out tires and putting out spike strips.  I see no difference in this one.
if the BG dies in the crash, too bad.  he should have been home making tortillas.
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It is a terrible thing for someone to die in violence, and I wish this had not happened.  Nontheless, if they had not been invading the sovereign territory of the US illegally....it would not have happened.
 
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cops are always shooting out tires and putting out spike strips.  I see no difference in this one.
if the BG dies in the crash, too bad.  he should have been home making tortillas.
I had a feeling you'd approve of this killin', Bugeye.
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Obviously not a common occurrence, at least in terms of specific facts. But consider the number of people who die accidentally each year in some contact with police, whether it's in traffic accidents, shootings that kill innocent bystanders, or some similar error. They do happen, but they are seldom reported. But this case is reported.
 
Considering the routine nature of the procedures that were followed, I wonder if the procedures involved just opening fire without any warning.
 
 

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It is a terrible thing for someone to die in violence, and I wish this had not happened.  Nontheless, if they had not been invading the sovereign territory of the US illegally....it would not have happened.
 
Ben

 
BEN, BUGEYE, good posts guys. They chose to disrespect us and invade our country, now deport the survivors. Well done trooper. His intention was clearly to stop the invaders, not kill them by shooting the tires. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Yeah, I'm sure those beaners were just coming here to visit their relatives.  The law should be very clear--you cross our border illegally--you die.  If you fail to enforce your borders, you have no country.
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I can see people loosing their jobs and survivors getting a handsome cheque for their trouble.
 
BTW Shooting at a moving target from an unstable platform is tricky at best. What would have happened if that truck had failed to stop for Mexican Federalis??
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I must have missed something in the original post. Did they really enter the US without passing through a border station?

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The OP didn't specify, nevertheless they failed to stop for a LEO on USA soil.
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This is not a case of stopping illigils.  This was a case of failure to stop and evading law enforcement officials, State Fish and Game Officers.  If the driver had not attampted to evade this would not have happened.  Don't blame the cop, blame the driver.

Also if this had happened in Mexico, nothing would have been said.  Plus the survivors would have been put in jail.
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What would have happened if that truck had failed to stop for Mexican Federalis??

Then it would have been RIDDLED with automatic weapon fire.
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Powderman,

You seem a little overzealous when it come to killing people, for being prolife.

These people were guilty of reckless driving and being illegal aliens, in your world, a crime punishable by death.

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I've been and lived in Europe , try this in any other country and see what happens to you!
Especially around the Baltic country's,or Russia. You would be lucky if you ran into anything other than a tank. And they do not yell, Halt ! The thinking is that dead people have no defense in court.
You violate their borders illegally you are either an invader or a terrorist.
If you even make it past some of the mine fields.
 

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These people were guilty of reckless driving and being illegal aliens, in your world, a crime punishable by death.

Cheese
I guess it must have been.
The driver risked his life  trying to flee.
BTW- Do you know why they hung horse theives?
 

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From what we hear from the media, these people were probably just coming here to do work that Americans don't want to do. During their search for work these dang cops shot at their vehicle for disobeying to stop. How dare they. At the very least it could have been eight more votes for Obama. 
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Killed in the incident were Jose Leonardo Coj Cumar, 32, and Marcos Antonio Castro Estrada, 29. Coj was a father of three who was traveling to the United States because his eldest son needed surgery to repair an arm injured cutting fire wood, Caceres said. Castro was a father of two whose wife is three months pregnant. Both men were from San Martin Jilotepeque, about an hour outside of the Guatemalan capital.
 
No verification on their immigration status after four days. Yep they deserved to die
 
Texas State Trooper In Helicopter Gets Referred To Grand Jury
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/guatemalan-immigrants-shot-texas-state-trooper-helicopter_n_2051215.html?utm_hp_ref=latino-voices
 
No doubt you're going to help him with his legal expenses and send him cookies in prison!
 
As for what would happen in another country, who cares, this is America. Next you'll be promoting Sharia Law from overseas.
 

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Really ? You wouldn't happen to know what kind of cookies he likes would you ?

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I read several articles on this and it's pretty clear that the cop was following standard operating procedure. It is also known that this was a human trafficking situation, and that everyone in the truck was an illegal alien. The driver was charged with a felony for evading arrest, was released to the custody of his grandmother, and then did not show up as required for court. from what is written, there is very little need for sympathy for the criminals in this case. The following is an excerpt from one AP article, and it is very telling. Indeed, the risks are clearly anticipated, except one...





The immigrants' families also have been concerned because they took out high-interest loans from someone in their community to pay the smugglers and it will be difficult to pay that money back now that their relatives are in U.S. custody rather than working in the U.S., Caceres said.The loans ranged from $2,500 to more than $6,000 at interest rates of 9 percent to 10 percent per month, she said."You always expect that a coyote (smuggler) will abandon you," Caceres said. "You expect that organized crime will kidnap you. You expect that common criminals will assault you. But you would never expect that a United States authority would take your life."

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State game wardens were the first to encounter the truck Thursday. After the driver refused to stop, they radioed for help and state police responded, according to Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Mike Cox.

When the helicopter with a sharpshooter arrived, officers concluded that the truck appeared to be carrying a "typical covered drug load" on its bed and was travelling at reckless speeds, police said.


I'm not really one to back up and support what alot of our policies are with the way police operate to day.  However, when it comes to the Mexican border- that is pretty much a warzone in my eyes and the rules of engangement are quite different in a warzone compared to even the toughest streets the big cities in thge US have to offer. In reality, our military nees to be taking care of our borders. These are not US citizens.  They failed to stop, and were driving at wreckless speeds. IMO, there is just too much violence happening down there to give the NON US CITIZENS the benefit of the doubt.
 
 As much as hate to see that cop in my rear view mirror with his lights on excercising his "authority", I sure as h&ll am not going to flee and give that cop a chance to smoke check me.  Especially if I am not breaking the law and doing a traffic infraction.  These illegals are doing MUCH worse than traffic violations down there and there needs to be a strict state of alertness and execution of military protocol by our border patrol agents.  If that was the sand box and that was a vehicle full of arabs running through a check point, they would get smoke checked.
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Powderman,

You seem a little overzealous when it come to killing people, for being prolife.

These people were guilty of reckless driving and being illegal aliens, in your world, a crime punishable by death.

Cheese

 
Cheese. They CHOSE to invade, they CHOSE to not stop, CHOSE to run. The officer cleary was only trying to stop them. They made wrong decisions and paid with their life. I don't see how you can possibly compare invaders to killing babies.
 
These peope had nothing to do with immigrants. Call em what they are. Criminals, invaders, felons, trespassers, etc, but certainly not immigrants. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Ok, I will compare them to babies since they are ALL human beings. That makes me more prolife then you, since you are actually pro death.

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Really ? You wouldn't happen to know what kind of cookies he likes would you ?

Probably some just like you, over baked with a semi-tough exterior, loaded with artificial sweetners and immitation nuts. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*

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Re: Trooper fires from chopper to stop invaders pickup, 2 killed. Reprinted.
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2012, 06:05:28 AM »
Really ? You wouldn't happen to know what kind of cookies he likes would you ?

Probably some just like you, over baked with a semi-tough exterior, loaded with artificial sweetners and immitation nuts. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*

You mean unlike you ?  Which would be  1/2 baked and nutless?

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Re: Trooper fires from chopper to stop invaders pickup, 2 killed. Reprinted.
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2012, 06:09:07 AM »
What would have happened if that truck had failed to stop for Mexican Federalis??

Then it would have been RIDDLED with automatic weapon fire.

Precisely my prediction as well.
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Re: Trooper fires from chopper to stop invaders pickup, 2 killed. Reprinted.
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2012, 06:40:41 AM »
Really ? You wouldn't happen to know what kind of cookies he likes would you ?

Probably some just like you, over baked with a semi-tough exterior, loaded with artificial sweetners and immitation nuts. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*

 
M-G WILLY. HEH, agreed Sir.
Cheese. Not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that our borders should not be protected?? That we are to turn a blind eye to these invaders?? Not sure I understand your point. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
 
You mean unlike you ?  Which would be  1/2 baked and nutless?
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Re: Trooper fires from chopper to stop invaders pickup, 2 killed. Reprinted.
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2012, 06:45:14 AM »
   Quote from: two-blocked on Today at 01:16:41 AM
Quote from: Anna on Yesterday at 10:31:42 PM
Really ? You wouldn't happen to know what kind of cookies he likes would you ?

Probably some just like you, over baked with a semi-tough exterior, loaded with artificial sweetners and immitation nuts. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-*
 
 
You mean unlike you ?  Which would be  1/2 baked and nutless?   
 
 
   M-G WILLY. Agreed Sir.  ;)  Cheese. Not  sure I understand your point. Are you saying that we should not defend our borders against these invaders?? Should we stop enforcing the law?? POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Trooper fires from chopper to stop invaders pickup, 2 killed. Reprinted.
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2012, 07:04:37 AM »
 
 
Cheese. Not  sure I understand your point. Are you saying that we should not defend our borders against these invaders?? Should we stop enforcing the law?? POWDERMAN.  ??? ???

Uh, I think he's using the word "cheese" to replace a much stronger expletive. As in..."well that is one nasty smelling sack of dog cheese!" Although I could be entirely wrong about that.
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Re: Trooper fires from chopper to stop invaders pickup, 2 killed. Reprinted.
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2012, 07:07:39 AM »
............and things are getting personal again. >:(
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Re: Trooper fires from chopper to stop invaders pickup, 2 killed. Reprinted.
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2012, 07:48:48 AM »
Powderman,

I find your blood lust disturbing and pro death. At what age is a human being no longer a baby and facing your own version of a death panel. Do you think the rest of the people in the truck should have been shot as well? The only people safe from your death sentences are the one in the womb? That is not pro life. Life begins at conception and ends when powderman says so...... ??? ??? :o :o

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