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Global Warming? Play nice, please.
« on: October 30, 2012, 02:09:38 PM »
Has this year's weather changed your position on Global Warming?

Fires out West.
Massive crop failure across the country.
Massive drought.
Hurricane Sandy


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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 02:11:57 PM »
No.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 02:23:27 PM »
No, I've lived long enough to know that these are normal cycles of nature.  Not good, but normal.
 
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 03:40:16 PM »
Of course not.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 03:42:51 PM »
No, all those things are pretty well what one would expect with global warming. Weather and storms are heat driven engines, after all.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 03:57:22 PM »
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No, all those things are pretty well what one would expect with global warming. Weather and storms are heat driven engines, after all.
         Yep, never had weather or storms before Al Gore came along.   ::)
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 03:58:51 PM »
Climate change has happened since the Earth was created, nothing new, something very old.

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 04:03:33 PM »
The hotter it gets, the worse they'll get.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 04:04:53 PM »
Same old weather patterns we had thousands of years ago, and we'll have them thousands of years from now.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2012, 04:19:32 PM »
The hotter it gets, the worse they'll get.
But that is the Rub.  Acording to the data collection sites most are comprimised with an external heat source.
What was installed in the 50 on the outside of the airports is now a paved parking lot and the ratiation of the tarmac is giving false data.  A report was done three years when climate gate broke on the people wanting to get research money to study global warming when there was none.  But a report was done showint the over 75% of the collection points were faulty and were too close to heating vents (boiler stacks) air conditioner heat sinks, or the wooden box was removed exposing the probe directly to the sun.
The satalite data showing actual temps shows that the world is staying the same. 
Also when i moved to CA palm springs had multiple 110 to 120 degree days.  I have not seen one that hot in 10 years.
What really gets me is the model that shows the global warming does not take into account the sun and solar activity.  Some years the sun is hotter than others. 
Also no matter what the weather does the answer is global warming.
Gets hot- global warming
Cold- Global warming
Rain- global warming
Drought- Global warming
Snow - Global warming
Storm- Global Warming
Earth quake - Global Warming (Sam Jackson - Haiti earth quake)
More pollution was dumped into the air when Mt Sait hellens volcano blew than all the cars could have produced in 1,000 years and it did nothing to effect the area. 
All ofthe above - Global warming

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2012, 04:23:08 PM »
What is causing the glaciers to melt at an alarming rate causing the oceans to rise ?
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2012, 04:25:17 PM »
Same old weather patterns we had thousands of years ago, and we'll have them thousands of years from now.
What caused the Ice Age ? What caused the end of the Ice Age?
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2012, 04:29:37 PM »
Regardless of cause, we are headed back into an ice age cycle. The Earth heats up, sea level rises, salinity decreases slowing oceanic convenction currents. Then you get an ice age.

Regardless of your thoughts, these cycles are part of the Earth's natural climate changes - and typically result in massive extinctions.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2012, 04:31:37 PM »
Same old weather patterns we had thousands of years ago, and we'll have them thousands of years from now.
What caused the Ice Age ? What caused the end of the Ice Age?

Your answer.......just above your question. ;D
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2012, 05:14:05 PM »
No. Global warming exists. We (humanity) add to that. Just like garbage and crap, we produce megatons of it all every day. We are not going to stop. It will get bad. A hell of a lot of people will ultimately die related to this phenomena. When enough have died, the production of this will decrease and the cycle will reverse.
    This does not take a genius. Go downtown in any metropolitan area in summer, Stand next to a busy street corner. Breathe deeply. What you smell is PEOPLE. Now go into the midst of a national wilderness area. Breathe deeply. This is the result of a scarcity of people. Can you tell the difference? Which do you prefer ?
    Personally, I prefer fewer people . I hope we can have less of them in the future.  We should remove some.  Do you prefer more people ?............ ??? ........ :) ....... ;) .......... :-X
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2012, 06:25:37 PM »
I enjoy the lively, yet polite exchange of ideas. And neutrality, for the sake of continuing this conversation.

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2012, 12:24:30 AM »
I've been interested, and have followed as best I could, (scant reports lately), the archaeology of Greenland.  A bull dozer was used to remove the snow pack, so studies could be made.  The ocean was much higher a thousand years ago, and people grew grapes on Greenland, something that requires a temperate climate.
 
I think the rub is not whether we may or may not be experiencing climate change, we are and always will....it's whether man's activities play into that.....unless the vikings had SUV's, and cave men ran factories burning coal I don't think so.
 
IMO this entire global warming idea has been played to make money...and I might feel better about it if I were the one making it ;)   but instead I and many others have to pay for it.
 
The very idea it becomes ok for someone to continue what scientists believe are harmful activities if they "buy" carbon credits is very telling.
 
And....lets suppose for a moment it were true.  What should we do about it?  Stop all manufacturing?  Kill off about 2/3 of the human race?  Park all the cars?  Drill no more oil?
 
Asinine.
 
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2012, 12:51:20 AM »
I believe man's activities MIGHT have an effect on global warming and weather patterns. I also believe man's activities are part of the total scheme of things - just like monkey crap and volcanic eruptions. I also believe I ain't gonna sit on a lantern and wear an overcoat to stay warm all winter without creating a big carbon footprint. I also believe Al Gore is the biggest hypocrite on God's green earth when it comes to global warming. He talks a mean game ( and makes big bucks for his speaking engagements ) but has built a huge mansion near Nashville using money made telling other people not to do the same. He reminds me of another guy that preaches alternative energy and wants high fossil fuel prices while jetting around the country on huge airplanes and riding around in big gas guzzlers.

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2012, 04:46:23 AM »
I'm still waiting and hoping for global warming.  Global cooling doesn't sound like a good thing to me.  Until I see real evidence to prove differently, it still looks like some years are just warmer than others.  Unfortunately, some years are also colder than others.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2012, 05:05:19 AM »
All you guys are out of date. Don't you know CLIMATE CHANGE is what we have to worry about. When I was in school all the chicken little types were sure that we just years away from another ice age.
 
Trouble with the newest chicken littles is that they have convinced many governments and are in the verge of stupid new laws and regulations. NOW THAT IS SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2012, 05:07:21 AM »
I'm more interested in just how a clear weightless gas (carbon dioxide) can be blamed for any change in the surface heat of the earth. I also want to know why increased solar flare activity is ignored as a cause. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas because it increases plant growth. It is what encases the greenhouse that makes it warmer inside (glass or plastic usually). Last it is a known fact that dark surfaces hold heat, asphalt and roffing shingles but this is never mentioned.
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2012, 05:32:45 AM »
I'm more interested in just how a clear weightless gas (carbon dioxide) can be blamed for any change in the surface heat of the earth. I also want to know why increased solar flare activity is ignored as a cause. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas because it increases plant growth. It is what encases the greenhouse that makes it warmer inside (glass or plastic usually). Last it is a known fact that dark surfaces hold heat, asphalt and roffing shingles but this is never mentioned.
Do a thorough net search and you will find the ONLY proved "green-house gas" is water vapour.

At the same time, studies have shown that Sun activity is probably the main influence on cooling and warming.

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2012, 05:40:13 AM »
Water vapor, hmmm well then we can reduce the amount of chlorine in the atmosphere by making it illegal for cities and golf courses to use chlorinated water on medians and greens. An upside would be lake levels would be higher and boat ramps more usable.
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2012, 08:59:05 AM »
I know what didnt cause these events:man made carbon emissions.


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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2012, 09:01:02 AM »
Has this year's weather changed your position on Global Warming?

Fires out West.
Massive crop failure across the country.
Massive drought.
Hurricane Sandy

Kidding right ? the warming of the earth is something that takes thousands of years what would one year prove ?
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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2012, 09:01:07 AM »
...and if carbon is so bad then why is it that carbon is the back bone of pretty much every organic molecule?

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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2012, 10:26:42 AM »
If the Marxists now running this country can convince everyone that man is causing global warming. Then its much easier for them to make laws to put limits on how we live and what we can't do. It doesn't matter if the earth is warming or cooling, the leftists, will claim its mans fault. Heck they might even make laws to allow the killing off of people. Wait they already have that in place, with abortion and now health care run by Marxists.     
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2012, 10:55:37 AM »
The human caused global warming issue has been a perfect example of "junk science" (finally got to use one of TM7s favorite expressions) since the start. The primary source of info used for the International CLimate Committe report on Global Warming was the Vostok Ice Cores. They chery picked a 150 year segment of the almost 400,000 years worth of data provided in these samples. The reason they did that was to hide the fact that the temperature of this planet follows a cyclic pattern that when you look at the whole chart almost resembles a heart beat on a graph. It also shows that the rise in carbon dioxide lags behind the warming trend and preceeds a cooling trend. But Al Gore could not get all of those awards and accolades being truthfull so he and many others lied and lined their pockets. The report when you read it is also signed by only 50 scientist (less than 1/3 were climatologist) which is hardly a conscensus. If you wish to find some good info on the real science pertaining to this subject do a search on "Global Warming Petition" and it willtake you to a site that gives you all the info you could want to read. It also has a list of over 30,000 scientist who disagree with the liberal side of the argument.
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2012, 12:00:01 PM »
People have suggested to me that Methane from Cowfarts is contributing to Global warming, although for every cow/calf/steer/heifer/bull/whatever we raise seems to be matched by coyotes, deer, bobcats, foxes, and a plethora of other farting things.

One of the decisions I must make is what to do with ranch land homesteaded ~120 years ago. So I'm planning around HOW the land will change.  And you won't believe how fastidious these old Germans have taken records. Hottest day, Wettest day, Longest time without rain (this year was longer than the dust bowl!), number of tornados, Hailstorms, etc.  From my ancestors, so I know darn well it is true data for our land.

Given a steep rise in land taxes, (now up to 45% of the per acre outright purchase value paid annually) we stand to profit AT MOST $80 per acre after taxes, and little or no profit this year. After downsizing the herd (high feed prices are inevitable from the drought) it will be a few years before we will be back up to enough cowfarts per acre to warm the planet or make a profit.

Cabelas keeps buying up all of the good hunting land, and they roll up to the front gate now and then wanting to buy us too. I can do without their peoplefarts for now.

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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2012, 01:36:29 PM »
What is causing the glaciers to melt at an alarming rate causing the oceans to rise ?

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