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Yankee Ingenuity??
« on: November 01, 2012, 04:45:05 AM »
 
    My wife's family all live in nice suburbs in New Jersey, and commute to New York an hour each way, every day, to work.   They all own generators, since the power apparently goes off several times a year from rains or flooding.
 
    She talked to them all last night on the phone.   Guess what?   They have no power, and can't get any more gasoline for their generators.  (They had 5 days warning of the hurricane, and all they stored up was about 5 gallons, which they burned through in the first 48 hours.)
 
   So now they are sitting in their dark homes, with no electricity, water or heat, and the only gas they have is what's left in the tanks of their cars, and the gas stations are out of gas or have no electricty to run the pumps.
 
   Idiots!
 
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Re: Yankee Ingenuity??
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 05:47:40 AM »
Idiots for not stocking up with all the warnings, probably.  Yankee ingenuity- highly doubtful.  Let's not forget the retards that decided to stay in New Orleans and parts of Mississippi with AMPLE warning that it was about to hit the fan.  From I saw in the news reels, most of them didnt seem to prepared for the impending lay up of necessity.  And I am not talking about the 9th district animals.  The Civil war is over dude, we won.  LOL.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 05:53:35 AM »
So they ran through 5 gallons in 48 hrs. hey probably could have streached that out for a week or two if they had just used the gennys for the freezer and frig. Now they can have a big barbque to get some use of the stuff they had stored.
 
Now I remember, the power is never supposed to be off for more than 48 hours in that part of the world.

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Re: Yankee Ingenuity??
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 09:04:35 AM »
One of the biggest problems I'm sure these power company line crews are running into is back feed.
Homeowners who have a back up generator but no common sense,hook these things into where their
meter base was without using a transfer switch. That switch isolates your home and gen set from the main power lines. Step down transformers work both ways, so when they plug in their 240 to run their    house.That will back feed into the main pole transformers on the secondary side, producing whatever the line voltage was on the primary side.Then with downed power lines all over the place that is not a good or safe situation. My oldest brother works for a power company that sent people to the east to help out. Last night when I talked to him he said that one problem was making any repairs that much more difficult for them.

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2012, 06:15:29 AM »
 
  More ingenuity.  My rich retired neighbors, here in Virginia,  decided that they did not like their power going out twice a year (for no more than one day at a time), so last month they paid $35,000 (I kid you not), for a huge whole-house generator.  It was installed next to the house, on a cement slab, and runs on propane.  They also paid to install a huge propane tank next to it, so that it can run for three weeks  without running out.
 
   They bragged to us that next time the power goes out in the neighborhood, my wife and I can come over and live in their basement.
 
   Well, the power went out this week in the middle of the night, and that huge machine kicked on, just as planned.  Only problem is, it is so loud, that it is impossible for them to sleep anywhere in the house!  And, the foundation of the house rumbles like a freight train. 
 
   So now, they have this great source of electricity, that they have to turn off while they sleep.   Boy, what a fiasco. 
 
   So, the North "won" the Civil War?  Hmm.  :-)   Seems to me that by "winning" the War, it lost 500,000 men for the privilege of keeping swampy poverty-ridden areas like New Orleans in the "Union," so that now it can spend its federal tax dollars on FEMA and welfare to support them.   And just think, if the North had let the South go its own way, the North would have become a free-standing worldwide industrial power, greater than Germany!   Oh well, congrats on the "win!"   :-)
 
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Re: Yankee Ingenuity??
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2012, 06:37:20 AM »
I saw on the History channel that around the turn of the previous century, Argentina was the worlds most industrialized country for milllitary hardware.

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2012, 07:57:38 AM »
It will never cease to amaze me that in this day and age with all of the civil war vets dead and gone, that some southerners are still mad at us Yankees. It would be like England being mad at todays americans because their forefathers wanted to leaveengland for another way of life.
 
I am by no means a civil war buff or know all the statistics.  Dont really care either.  That stuff went down long before I was even thougt about.  I have however seen incredibly stupid people in both the northern and southern part of the country (relating to the topic of this thread).
 
 I have never really heard any "yankee" sit around at a bar and talk about how bad we beat the gray coats.  We dont give a hoot up this way about what happened a verry long time ago with that whole fiasco.  I only hear about this stuff when I come on a forum and read some southern man's desire to keep the civil war alive and well.  It has got to be a regional thing. ::)
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Re: Yankee Ingenuity??
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2012, 08:44:53 AM »
That is the way to do it . In fact it would be wise to remove your meter base altogether seal or not.
And hook into the load side of your main and not the line side on the top .
A real wake up call to those who don't do this is what caused a lot of fires and property damage right after Katrina.  The power company's generator is a lot bigger than yours,and if you are not perfectly
synced with it as far as hertz and voltage your going to have a very large problem when it comes back online. My brother calls that paralleling, and that is an art form in itself to do correctly.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2012, 08:48:33 AM »
One of the biggest problems I'm sure these power company line crews are running into is back feed.
Homeowners who have a back up generator but no common sense,hook these things into where their
meter base was without using a transfer switch. That switch isolates your home and gen set from the main power lines. Step down transformers work both ways, so when they plug in their 240 to run their    house.That will back feed into the main pole transformers on the secondary side, producing whatever the line voltage was on the primary side.Then with downed power lines all over the place that is not a good or safe situation. My oldest brother works for a power company that sent people to the east to help out. Last night when I talked to him he said that one problem was making any repairs that much more difficult for them.
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Well what if you're running gen power into your main breaker to your distribution panel with your main breakers off?...shouldn't be any problem and that's how people do it...or should do it if trying to power the whole house without a transferr switch. Also handy for power out to a camper or something, too.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2012, 02:12:20 PM »
be kind to our power workers and trip your main breaker at the pole or pull your meter. very simple thing to do. besides if your backfeeding the whole line your just wasteing what your gen is putting out.
 
there is no need to run your gen 24 hrs a day. a couple hrs a day will keep your freezers working,give everybody time to take a bath and recharge whatever needs chargeing. if you have a gen of the proper output of course.dont try to run your elec water heater off to small a output gen. jus take a cold shower.go to your breaker box and shut off everything yu dont need.
 
instead of watching tv, read a dang book or clean yur guns by lantern light.cook on the propane bbq or maybe go on a diet.or better yet cook outside over a wood fire.
 
 if you are really serious about being prepared then get a diesel gen.the fuel can sit for years and be good as new.propane is good also.
 
we have lengthy outtages here every few years, i kinda like them actually.kinda like campin out with all the comforts of home.its very simple to prepare for.lanterns, gen fuel,and a dab of food in the cupboard.im not a prepper but i could prob live on just what i got around me for maybe a month or better.WAKE UP AMERICA!

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Re: Yankee Ingenuity??
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 10:18:07 AM »
The only BIG problem with no power is when it's cold enough to freeze the pipes in your house. Thet gets expensive. That's why I have a little natural gas heater in a side room that doesn't need any electricity to run. That is enough to keep the house from freezing if we are gone. If we are home and the power goes off I have a little pot belly stove in the kitchen.
 
Even when we don't really don't need it, in the winter, the pot belly harvasts the BTUs from all the paper that would just go to waste.

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 10:27:36 AM »
The only BIG problem with no power is when it's cold enough to freeze the pipes in your house. Thet gets expensive. That's why I have a little natural gas heater in a side room that doesn't need any electricity to run. That is enough to keep the house from freezing if we are gone. If we are home and the power goes off I have a little pot belly stove in the kitchen.
 
Even when we don't really don't need it, in the winter, the pot belly harvasts the BTUs from all the paper that would just go to waste.
I have to agree, wood burning stoves are MUCH better than a fireplace. With the one I have I can heat my entire home all winter long on about half a cord of wood.

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Re: Yankee Ingenuity??
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2012, 07:01:58 AM »
Yankee ingenuity and suburbanites from New Jersey should never be used in the same topic unless you are discussing opposite ideals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_ingenuity
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2012, 07:19:37 AM »
Problem is meter bases are sealed,,,you are not allowed to mess with meters. If you did mess with a meter you would be waiting along time untill you were 'inspected' to have your power turned back on...Power utility crews do not reset meters, an electrician you hire has to around here.
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So transfer switch is the way to go ideally. I heat with coal/wood/liberty blocks as backup. I only use gen power for a few appliances if need be. I don't really mind having no power,,,and kinda like it.  I'm the guy who would have parties with the power turned off... ;)
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The Electric Co. sets the meter in my jurisdiction   (no exceptions)  I have pulled my meter.....no problem getting it reset as log as I have a State approved tag.

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2012, 05:26:24 AM »
be kind to our power workers and trip your main breaker at the pole or pull your meter. very simple thing to do. besides if your backfeeding the whole line your just wasteing what your gen is putting out.
 
there is no need to run your gen 24 hrs a day. a couple hrs a day will keep your freezers working,give everybody time to take a bath and recharge whatever needs chargeing. if you have a gen of the proper output of course.dont try to run your elec water heater off to small a output genIn reality a HWH won't "pull" like a motor etc. just leave it connected and it will get what is aval. same with a cook stove use one eye . jus take a cold shower.go to your breaker box and shut off everything yu dont need.I run several lights , refg., freez., water pump and 2-HWH on a 5500 watt gen. In winter add the fan for wood stove. We do moniter lights etc. Also keep opening ref and freez to a minm.
 
instead of watching tv, read a dang book or clean yur guns by lantern light.cook on the propane bbq or maybe go on a diet.or better yet cook outside over a wood fire.
 
 if you are really serious about being prepared then get a diesel gen.the fuel can sit for years and be good as new.propane is good also.
 
we have lengthy outtages here every few years, i kinda like them actually.kinda like campin out with all the comforts of home.its very simple to prepare for.lanterns, gen fuel,and a dab of food in the cupboard.im not a prepper but i could prob live on just what i got around me for maybe a month or better.WAKE UP AMERICA!
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2012, 06:08:19 AM »
The cleanup could be much further along, if some folks weren't so pig-headed.  Electrical lineman crews were sent up from Alabama and Florida among others.  However, they were not allowed to help..the unions raised a ruckus and forced them to go back home without contributing to the cleanup..     These folks from Alabama & Florida..just may KNOW SOMETHING about clearing up after a hurricane...DUH !!!
  Such stubborness hurts the people they are supposed to help..and I hope most people there understand it..
 
  BTW:  The unpreparedness seems more an urban/rural thing, those who are accustomed to being prepared for bad weather spells where they may have to "fend for themselves" for a time, and those accustomed to "public service" to do for them.  This is a generalization of course..
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2012, 08:38:22 AM »
I believe it is a pretty good generalization that city folks are unprepared for adversity. If these crybabys lived in my little town and started complaining about being without electricity after two days they would be laughing stocks.
 
Somebody looses a house and the neighbors help them build a new one. A town gets destroyed, and people from other little towns go help them rebuild. No waiting for FEMA to do it.

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 02:56:07 AM »
People who understand how things work often see running water and electricity as nice when they work but have a more dependable source when either fail to be aval. in the short term. The farther one lives from a city/town/metro area the less dependent they need to be on supplies that can be interupted .
That said a small generator and the fuel supply that goes with it in reality is a short term fix to hopefully a short term inconvience .
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 01:43:21 PM »
be kind to our power workers and trip your main breaker at the pole or pull your meter. very simple thing to do. besides if your backfeeding the whole line your just wasteing what your gen is putting out.
 
there is no need to run your gen 24 hrs a day. a couple hrs a day will keep your freezers working,give everybody time to take a bath and recharge whatever needs chargeing. if you have a gen of the proper output of course.dont try to run your elec water heater off to small a output genIn reality a HWH won't "pull" like a motor etc. just leave it connected and it will get what is aval. same with a cook stove use one eye . jus take a cold shower.go to your breaker box and shut off everything yu dont need.I run several lights , refg., freez., water pump and 2-HWH on a 5500 watt gen. In winter add the fan for wood stove. We do moniter lights etc. Also keep opening ref and freez to a minm.
 
instead of watching tv, read a dang book or clean yur guns by lantern light.cook on the propane bbq or maybe go on a diet.or better yet cook outside over a wood fire.
 
 if you are really serious about being prepared then get a diesel gen.the fuel can sit for years and be good as new.propane is good also.
 
we have lengthy outtages here every few years, i kinda like them actually.kinda like campin out with all the comforts of home.its very simple to prepare for.lanterns, gen fuel,and a dab of food in the cupboard.im not a prepper but i could prob live on just what i got around me for maybe a month or better.WAKE UP AMERICA!
shootall. when i turn my water heater on it kills my 5500 watt honda gen.is this not normal or are there diff kinds of elec water heaters?