is there a war coming in the USA??

[Anna]

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.
God bless you finisher.

[mcwoodduck]

You can't fight Apache helicopters and miniguns with worn out AR's

Agreed.  However, the vietnamese did a fine job with our helicopters that were flying map of earth along river routes.  Some cable stretched fromm tree to tree across th river played havoc.  They did some pretty serious damage with items as simple as sharpened sticks and human feces.  I think survival is using what is around you and thinking outside the box.  However, it's pretty hard to thwart a B52 carpet bombing run...LOL

But the communists were willing to to trade hundreds of lives for one American.  They had a media, impressionable young people and the false idea that the North was fighting for freedom from the Corrupt Capitalist South. 
 

[mcwoodduck]

I'm ready.....let's roll....

They will try to deplete our own private resources with economic hardships before they will try anything. We are already seeing that, family's that are now having to eat all that food they put away.
Selling off their guns and ammo just to make a house payment that just went up because of some phantom escrow reason.Its like they have us in a siege, soon all our resources will be all used up and we will have to come out and play by their rules. Any resistance will be played by the media as some cult, or some militia mad man that went off the deep end.

I think you have boiled the Presidents attack on the Rich down to a simple statement.
Even if you steal more than half of what the "rich" make it will only hurt the middle class and the poor. 
I believe that Obama has two goals with his taxxing the rich. 
1) higher taxes increase Unemployment and that creates a bunch of angry people willing to fight or are screaming for change.  Look at the Russians in 1917 that were willing to embrace communism over starving.
2) the increase in UNemployment lowers salaries, and increases prices for needed goods and drops the prices of assests.
You see this in your housing markets, the used car market and the ones with the most disposable income can buy items cheap due to the NEED to sell and creating a greater gap between the dwindeling Middle class and the "rich".
This divide was what caused the French revolution that ended a monarchy that was vastly over spending and raising taxes that caused the economic collapse. 
And yes if we have an economic collapse and we have riots, we have martial law, and we have rationing it will be a short step by a corrupt government to take over and eliminate all rights.  This will cause many to fight back and try to restore their rights.
I also think that the Military will follow their command and control to a point.  The Lt will follow the Captain but the question is will the Master Sgt and the Col follow the generals and the President if ordered to attack people trying to restore the constitution that they have sworn to defend from enemies forgien and Domestic!

[SwampThing762]

I think people are going to flock to the sources of food.    If our military personnel see that the warehouses have food, they will stay within ranks while the civilian population kills itself.    I cannot speak to the possibility that our military service personnel would willingly fire upon American citizens.   I would not rule out the possibility, though.  I worry more about the social and cultural undesirables rioting and creating a disruption on a large scale.

ST762

[ironglow]

Finisher;
   We have had discussions concerning politics (after all, that's what this boils down to) before and although we disagree, I figured we could simply agree to do so.  Evidently we are both strongly convinced of our positions..but please go back to the simple statement you made which I commented upon; wherein you said:
 
 " I agree but this concept is a little too broad in scope for the average "Joe" to grasp.  Gotta keep it narrow and right in front of one's face for most people to understand anything.  Kinda of the same way one would herd animals."
 
  Finisher, if you look at my last post you will find that I was addressing that one expression only.  I made no reference to your political or religious stance..you're certainly entitled to them.  I did not mention economic, geographical or social issues as you alluded to..those are of no concern to me .
   I did not mention race or ethnicity as you did, in wondering if "brown skinned, liberal people" would be cared for.
   If you review my post you will find that those many facets which you directed my way, were not even part of the post. I was concerned only with that one thought process you see above, (in blue).
 
  Perhaps I came down on you a bit hard and used "unnecessary roughness", for that I apologize.
             It was only that I thought you came down quite hard on the other members of this forum and by extension, all the other "Joes" and the "herd of animals" who are the all our friends and neighbors.
 
  I realize that the major disagreement between us is political.  True, we as a nation have been on a gradual downward slide since the 1960s, but then a fellow comes along who promises he will . "put people back to work"..."cut the deficit in half" .."end the war on terror" and "unite all Americans"..  So, let's look at his record..
 
  A) There are millions more people unemployed and who have quit trying today, than when he took office 4 years ago.. He even promised that if he did not take care of this, his should be a one-term presidency.
 
 B) Instead of cutting the deficit in half.. in less than 4 years he has raised the national debt by more than all the presidents before him combined, in 235 years of history.  With full power (3 branches) for 2 full years and since, he has failed to even produce a national budget..which the law says he must.
 
 C)  By "ending the war on terror", I guess he meant that he would kill a few of the enemy's leadership, then just back out and give up the fight.  Terrorism continues with those leaders replaced...
   He even refuses to recognize terrorism..even when it happens in such places as Arkansas & Fort Hood.
 
  D) He said he would "unite all Americans"..then he immediately went to work pitting the ..poor against the non-poor...the women against the men..the EPA against business...the young against the old..blacks against the whites....dependant class against the working class..malcontents (OWS) against job providers.. unions against other labor..immigrants against natives..liberals against the "bitter clingers".. and virtually any other division he could construct.  He even disrupted the military unnecessarily by forcing unwanted "rules of engagement' and open homosexuality upon the troops.  No, he has widened immensely, barely existing divisions among the people.
 
E) He forced through, an expensive, rights curtailing medical plan which a large majority of the public does not want.
 
     Here is a recent video which explains this president probably better than any other.  If someone has not seen it, in my humble opinion, they are just that much less informed as to what a majority of the voters have foisted upon all of us.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3AJAbWufc4&feature=autoplay&list=PL80EB17983EE01DBC&playnext=2
      Let's hope that same group are a minority this time...

[Dixie Dude]

Ironglow, I don't like boastfulness either, but I get tired of educated elitist liberals calling conservatives and christians ignorant and believing in fairy tales.  They also think they are so smart, they know how to run everything.  They believe that the "masses" have to be told what to do because they are too ignorant to figure things out for themselves.  My wife has a college professor brother and sister in law.  They voted for Obama the first time and will vote for him this time around.  We have these discussions every once in a while.  They have never worked in the private sector, never been in the military.  They went to Brown, an Ivy League school, and when they graduated, went into teaching.  Both Democrats and Republicans have Ivy League people in their ranks. 
 
Let's see how the New Yorkers pan out, how many unnecessary death's happen when all the Sandy aftermath is cleaned up.  Fema ran out of water.  They can't get enough fuel for travel and for their generators.  In some apartment buildings, people are using the bathroom in the halls, which might cause colera.  People are going hungry.  And they call us who cling to our bibles and guns, and who PREPARE for things ignorant. 

[45-70.gov]

good post finisher




''And I tell her that these people are not just the ones overseas of whom the shiny glow box tells us we should be so afraid. No. They are right here as well and everywhere. I tell her that it is not about religion or faith but about the IMPOSITION OF POWER, OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WILL OVER YOUR RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WISH.''

[Larry L]

Yeah Jamal, I think a cultural war is inevitable and it's going to happen soon. When you have dimwits in the media that are saying "vote for Obama or the blacks will know who you are and will come get you-Maher". Or when the NAACP is allowed to take over a voting station in Houston. Or you have a major POS in the white house that says to blacks "Vote for revenge", it puts white folks in a very defensive situation. I guess that's one of the reasons white America is now armed to the teeth. Too bad as a lot of good folks, black and white, will be killed and George Soros will have his day. Did you know that he has been declared by several countries to be the most evil man to ever live? Ask the Greeks about how he bankrupted their Gov't. But there are just too many folks that think something is owed to them versus the folks that work for everything they have and unfortunately it has a color stain all over it. Obama had a tremendous opportunity to bring the masses together and while I didn't vote him, I really hoped he would build that bridge. But he's done the exact opposite and has divided this nation far worse than any person holding the reins. If the blacks riot as they claim if Romney gets elected, it may be the spark to the war. If Obama gets elected, the whites will be suspecting voter fraud and it may be on. Frankly, I can't see anybody wanting to put the low life back in office regardless of his color but I'm also seeing it thru white eyes. I can assure you though, I see a man for what he is, not what color his skin is. I was brought up that way. I really would have liked to see Herman Cain in this race or Alan West, both admirable people and their agenda is nothing more than to make the USA the best it can be. That's far from what we got.
Stay safe, Jamal.

[ironglow]

good post finisher




''And I tell her that these people are not just the ones overseas of whom the shiny glow box tells us we should be so afraid. No. They are right here as well and everywhere. I tell her that it is not about religion or faith but about the IMPOSITION OF POWER, OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WILL OVER YOUR RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WISH.''

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    45/70;
 
  Here is the line by finisher which I disagreed with:
 
  "I agree but this concept is a little too broad in scope for the average "Joe" to grasp.  Gotta keep it narrow and right in front of one's face for most people to understand anything.  Kinda of the same way one would herd animals."

  Do you agree or disagree with it?

[Graybeard]

Get back on topic and stop the personal attacks and name calling or some of you are gonna be banned for ten days. I've already banned two that way who just couldn't behave like an adult. The same thing is happening here.

Stop worrying about what someone else said and stay on the subject.

[45-70.gov]

good post  larry l.

[finisher]

The main topic: "is war coming...?"


Well sure it is. Who knows who can predict when or where it will start. Many would like to believe that they can pin point down to a single person or one political party or a group of religious ideologists (other then their own) the sole blame. This in my opinion is nothing but the pointing of fingers and the throwing of stones. Reminds me of the old cliche my chiefs would always use on me when I was in the Navy: "I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to BLAME you".

I've said this before and I'll say it again; these things have happened before and they will happen again. We forget our human history so quickly, or we mistrust it because we all know that much of history is written from the perspective of those who won the wars.


All things on this Earth come to an end eventually. Empires and dynasties have come and gone much in the same fashion as we are so privileged to witness in this day and age. This nation is but an infant, nay, a toddler maybe, in comparison with the empires and dynasties that have risen and fallen before it. When I say "privileged", I mean it in the sense that we live in a time when there is more access to information and knowledge (that any other time may have been unattainable) than at any other point in human history. The time to enlighten oneself and search for fact, truth, and knowledge is NOW. It is not a time to be clinging to narrowly focused objects of the past,but a time to prepare for the future a.; and not in the sense of bullets and guns, but in what is beyond. But of course, that only applies if one TRULY BELIEVES IN A "HERE AFTER".


The state of the world due to the size of the population has grown beyond stable control by those few who truly rule. I suspect that they will enact sweeping measures as the chemical eradicating of a swarm of insects (Anyone remember "Leiningen Versus the Ants"?).


Very rarely do I advocate one party over an other or one religion over another. And for this I am called a fence sitter, or accused of being without core values. I'm not like Russia at the end of WWII waiting to see what side will be the victor in order to join up with them. If I had the ability, I would much rather stomp on both of the two knuckle heads bickering in the streets in order to end all hostilities.


Call me what you want. I've done my service, above and beyond. And I'm through with politics and imposing religious ideologies. I have no faith in any work of man on this Earth including his "holy" books and his claims to the understanding of such things. I search for truth from within myself and from what ever sources of knowledge and history I can find, take them for what they are(works of man) and impose them upon no one.


No Religion or faith as we claim to understand them; or any political ideology of this Earth is going to hold back the flood of approaching tyranny. CHANGE IS INEVITABLE. To fear it is natural, but to cast stones and point fingers in blame is pointless.


I love life and this life has been for me, rich in experience and understanding. My curse is that I, (nor any of us) will never be able to make anyone see that experience through my own eyes. And why should I try. Sure, I want that my posterity should have the same fulfilling experience here on this Earth and in their lives as I have had. But ultimately, I believe that each of our individual experiences are ours for us alone to take beyond.


My "Hell" is right here where we stand on this rock. In the end, I hope that when it comes, it is quick and painless, free of needless suffering by those who I love. And as for my part, I won't be going alone. But I alone may be the only one who doesn't fear.


Good luck to you all.

[ironglow]

Jamal;
   Of curse there will be war in the US at some point, but who knows where or when ?  Could be sooner or later..
 
 "Everything flows, nothing stands still"  .......Heraclitus circa 500 BC

[finisher]

Oh there is a big war coming alright. And the commander of the army that wins is not going to be that
kind,soft spoken carpenter that we all remember him as.
Guns, bullets, bombs, even nukes are not going to matter one bit.The only thing that we can do about it is, what side are we are going to be on when it happens ?

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 Nope, he'll be a pissed off CONCRETE FINISHER with palms of saddle leather  . ( It's a joke among all the "born again" ex-con  masons  that I know when they bicker with the form setters/carpenters.)

[Hairy Chest]

Ever time i turn on the T.V i see a new show with people that are  militia,  survivalists,  preppers or someone that preparing for the end of civilization becuase of economic collapse, societal collapse, electromagnetic pulse, terrorist acts, fuel shortages, war, pandemics, etc.  I am all for preparing  for the worst but some of this  militia movement  and some of these survivalists people scary me. there talking about race wars and how if obama reelected were going to have this war in the US.   
 
Should i be scary of this militia movement  because what i have seen so far all signs say Dixie to arms!

Every time you turn on a TV you get that?  You're lucky.  All I get is black actors on every channel.  Not like I don't like watching blacks, but if blacks are only 12% of the population, why is it they make up 80% of the programs?   

[Anna]

They are always the president, always the head general in charge, always the submarine commander,always the school principle. And just about the only thing you see in commercials.
Unless its a duck or a green lizard, very disproportional to real life. 

[Bob Riebe]

Ever time i turn on the T.V i see a new show with people that are  militia,  survivalists,  preppers or someone that preparing for the end of civilization becuase of economic collapse, societal collapse, electromagnetic pulse, terrorist acts, fuel shortages, war, pandemics, etc.  I am all for preparing  for the worst but some of this  militia movement  and some of these survivalists people scary me. there talking about race wars and how if obama reelected were going to have this war in the US.   
 
Should i be scary of this militia movement  because what i have seen so far all signs say Dixie to arms!

Every time you turn on a TV you get that?  You're lucky.  All I get is black actors on every channel.  Not like I don't like watching blacks, but if blacks are only 12% of the population, why is it they make up 80% of the programs?   

Homosexuals make up a tiny fraction of the population and they are all over TV now.
At the same time these pretend super macho women who can kick any man's buttocks without mussing their hairdo, are as common on visual medias as dandelions.
Of course this takes place while laws that crap on the 1st  Amendment are forced on us lest we say ishy words to them.

The old saying sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me-- is the anti=thesis of today's whiny society.

With do respect to the people of color, (that grammatical arrangement of words is actually grammatically correct verses "colored people") in many of the cities TV shows are based on, people of color are as common as shown.

[finisher]

Finisher...you know war doesn't have to happen..if you don't want it_ _if enough people don't want it. I believe the normal state of the human mind is peaceful and happy and coopertive with fellow man,,had to be to get to this point and such behavior feels good as opposed to a cold cage in a steel rain... Can you believe I get challenged on that statement... I think some of the greatest prophets thruout history make this clear and have made war extinct. However, and I mean this exactly and clinicly....psychopathy and extreme narcissim is endemic in our society, and regular folks do not recognize it or know how to banish it from society. This is the cause of wars....
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..TM7

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In this do you agree with the idea that it takes a well trained pit bull to vanquish another? (Some people say that this is the way with cops, and that is why so many of the badge wearing animals we see in the news get hired... but thats another issue.)


Or can true and unconditional love really conquer all evil? Or is it like the Ying and Yang, a balance of both being necessary to our existence. Big philosophical questions.


You mentioned earlier, five or so leaders in the past who have genuinely (at least according to the stories, I suppose) attempted to free mankind from the darkness.


You mentioned Jesus. With this I can agree (in so much as the teachings are not twisted as they so often are).


The only other I can think of might be Mahatma Ghandi with his use of passive resistance.


I was thinking possibly ...Andrew Jackson (as he vehemently opposed the Federal Reserve Bank), but He was an indian hating dog on the flip side.


So who else. Enlighten me please.

[Dixie Dude]

I disagree.  You start taking from a hard worker and giving to a lazy worker long enough, the hard worker gets tired of it.  If he quits paying, the lazy worker gets mad because he thinks it is owed him.  If people are hungry and poor, they will eventually revolt against whoever is in charge.  Communists know this, and took over a lot of countries because of it.  Leadership must be benevolent.  Even a good king or dictator, people will follow and love him they are prospering.  The founding fathers knew if you had any other type government than the one they set up, eventually you would have a dictator.  The French loved Napoleon, he allowed divorce, he set standard weights and measures (metric system), he conquered France's nearby enemies.  He brought stability out of the French Revolution.  The Germans loved Hitler, he got the country back to working, conquered nearby enemies, but like Napoleon, went to far.  Napoleon was fair to those under him.  Hitler was ruthless. 
 
Right now, the workers in America are tired of paying for people to sit at home, like the welfare queens. 

[finisher]

Finisher...you know war doesn't have to happen..if you don't want it_ _if enough people don't want it. I believe the normal state of the human mind is peaceful and happy and coopertive with fellow man,,had to be to get to this point and such behavior feels good as opposed to a cold cage in a steel rain... Can you believe I get challenged on that statement... I think some of the greatest prophets thruout history make this clear and have made war extinct. However, and I mean this exactly and clinicly....psychopathy and extreme narcissim is endemic in our society, and regular folks do not recognize it or know how to banish it from society. This is the cause of wars....
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..TM7

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 I have always philosophized that one must not deny or bury their dark side as it is a part of who we are, like it or not. And to deny that it is there or to fool ourselves into believing that we have absolute mastery over it is folly.


My time in the military helped me become quite well acquainted with mine. I do not like it, but it is a very close family member of my psyche and I feel that I must keep a constant watch on it or it could one day hide and disguise itself to a point where I may not recognize it when it comes knocking. This concealment is what happens with a great many people, I think.


In relation to what you say, I agree. It is something that people, who some feel are all inherently good at the core, do not like to address in themselves and do not recognize in others.


My radar is quite fine tuned to the psychological flaws in others as well as myself as I play the odds  when it comes to trusting the good in man. But I try not stand in judgement (in any of my stomping  [size=78%]). [/size]I want to beleive in the good nature in man, but .... .


Is it wise or safe to give man the benefit of the doubt?

What you speak of is an easy thing to conceal from those who are not trained to recognize it. And how does one banish it if one can not first expose it?

[mcbammer]

When  you  here  of  war  &  rumors  or  war  be  not  concerned.  When  they cry  peace,  peace take  heed  for  then  cometh  sudden  destruction. 

[finisher]

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Right now, the workers in America are tired of paying for people to sit at home, like the welfare queens.

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I agree with you on the surface of the issues, yes. But where things become cloudy is when people start pointing fingers and casting stones at things that are controlled in places that are far beyond the reach of most of us.


Sure, everyone says get out and vote. But with technology being what it is today, and with the undeniable existence of those who have more than enough wealth to misdirect and influence the public opinion to their whim, how do you truly, absolutely know who did what and who PAID who?
 How do I know, "I saw it on TV"    This is no attack on you Dixie Dude. It just seems to me that "fact" and "truth" these days are kind of like the 15Lb. AR that a few here joked about; you've got all these gizmos and gadgets that you may not really need and just cost you money you may not need to spend, but you buy them anyway because someone sold you a good pitch.
Under neath it all though is a simple light, handy, and durable rifle.


I guess what I'm really trying to say is that we do not look deep enough and go beyond the usual..."it's the liberals faults or it's the rights fault  or it's the damn immigrants faults".


Some people joke here about "drinking the cool aid". Well, I don't "drink the cool aid" of any corporation if I can help it. I grow as much of my own food as I can and what I don't , I get from local sources. I get my guns and ammo from privately owned  businesses  in spite of price differences with Bass Pro Shop and the like. To hell with those suit wearing bastards in their towers.


This is where it starts. And this is (at least as I understood) what TM7 is getting at. You may not recognize the true evils (the welfare queens are inconsequential) it's the ones who control the money. You may not see them or even know who they are, but they control so many aspects of our lives except for one (as yet); your own free choice to spend what dollars you keep where you wish. Give as few as possible back to them.


 I know it is easier said than done, especially in a big city environment. But every dollar that you save in a place other than a corporate bank (in other words silver and gold) is less power and influence in their hands.


That money is the only true control that they have over you.  Can we all become less dependent upon money? I don't know. Maybe. I'd like to think so.


Pointing the finger and hoping that some suit wearing whore in Washington DC is gonna single handedly make all this better just doesn't seem realistic to me.


I keep sayin this but it doesn't seem to be a very popular notion: No one in DC has the best interests in mind of anyone who is not financing their goal of staying in power. NOT ONE OF THEM! It's the ones that control the money and those who posses the most of it that steer this ship of fools.


Instead of pointing fingers at easy targets, aim for that long obscured shot and spread the word to others. Someones bullet gonna hit eventually in the form of a collective run on their invested wealth.

[jamaldog87]

'If war is the answer , then what is the question?', and I guess the answer to that is "the meaning of life!" Because life IS war. Basically, you're fighting against one thing or another right from the start – you're fighting for survival with pretty much everything against you, you're fighting for social or political positions"  band five finger death punch

 
I guess we well see if we can learn get like each other or at least get along,  or we will the USA  go into the dark like some many Empires.  To me the biggest problem we have is the house and senate differences. ALL OF THEM got us here and no one man can get us back.  I watch a lot of stuff and i remeber they walked out on a farm bill to help farmers hurt by drought, the reason for the walk out was they wanted to go to an early vacation. And you know what? they still got paided for the week. We have to stop saying were going to cut waste and do it. 

[Bob Riebe]

I think some of the greatest prophets through out history make this clear and have made war extinct.
..TM7

ROFLMAO

[Hairy Chest]

I disagree.  You start taking from a hard worker and giving to a lazy worker long enough, the hard worker gets tired of it.  If he quits paying, the lazy worker gets mad because he thinks it is owed him.  If people are hungry and poor, they will eventually revolt against whoever is in charge.  Communists know this, and took over a lot of countries because of it.  Leadership must be benevolent.  Even a good king or dictator, people will follow and love him they are prospering.  The founding fathers knew if you had any other type government than the one they set up, eventually you would have a dictator.  The French loved Napoleon, he allowed divorce, he set standard weights and measures (metric system), he conquered France's nearby enemies.  He brought stability out of the French Revolution.  The Germans loved Hitler, he got the country back to working, conquered nearby enemies, but like Napoleon, went to far.  Napoleon was fair to those under him.  Hitler was ruthless. 
 
Right now, the workers in America are tired of paying for people to sit at home, like the welfare queens.

Communists used the worker revolt initially, but was replaced by a totalitarian Marxist terror state that saw most of the population as the enemy, so they needed to be controlled like a maximum security prison.  Any prosperous person or even one who wore spectacles was killed outright or shipped off.  One priest was taken to the police station where they pulled all his toe nails of.  He was then thrown in a cell waist high in cold water for 3 days.  Then he was taken out for interrogation and they knocked all the teeth out of his mouth.  He needed to sign a confession that he was an American spy.  He was asked if he wanted them to "inconvenience" his father, so he signed.  Only other glimpse of him is he laying in a freight car 10 years later somewhere in the Soviet Union.  Or how about a cell with a chair on a trap door, the door suddenly drops open and the prisoner falls into a meat grinder.  There were millions of these cases even before Hitler.  That's what the Germans were going up against. 

Hitler was ruthless.  You had to be to fight the bolshevic terror with terror.  That is written in Mein Kampf.  Go look at the plaque of Captain John Smith under his statue in Williamsberg.  The founder of English settlement in North America that later lead to the U.S., it says he was brutal.  You had to be to control a rough land. 

[Mikey]

I predict a cultural war, which means black, hispanic, muslem and native American against white.  You can throw the oriental into the mix as well.  So far we have the majority of numbers.  If we leave our borders open and issue free benefits to all who sneak in we will see that majority shrink.  As far as the war goes, we know who the enemy will be because it will be a racial war and that's what 'cultural' means.  The next largest minority is the most common enemy, get ready for it. 
There is no difference between the communists who used the worker revolts and the blacks who arm to protect who they have in the white house or to revolt if he gets the boot - the result will be the same, a war.  Will this be a cold winter - oh ya, you betcha.  And Dixie Dude is right - you have to be ruthless because in a cultural war the enemy will be more ruthless than you and will have as their sole focus the elimination of you and your kind.  Kill them all and let God sort them out is the common call in situations like this.
I think that what will happen is the cities will fold into one form of cultural redoubt, probably black or hispanic, depending on where you are.  nyc, nj will go black and puerto rican, chicago will go black, la, texas and southern kalifornia will go mexican (they want their land back), and so it goes; the remainder of the state will stay more rural and not so minority populated (because it requires work to do so..).  The rest of the states should be able to cordon themselves off so the city scum doesn't flow downhill (Illinois will have to be careful).  States like Arizona and some other border states will be at war with Mexico. 
I still think this will go from being a cultural war to a war of attrition where millions are starved, killed off or die of disease.  I see city populations as being starved out and decimated.  Hurricane Sandy just simply let us know how easy it will be to bring a city to its knees - just look:  no power means no water, no heat, no food, disease and civil unrest.  The easiest thing to do is replicate Sandy's effect on major power lines then watch as the rioters go out from the cities and tryto get food and fuel.  It is just too easy to contain a city's population - where are they going to go - nj?? 
Has anyone seen pictures of the gas lines in nyc - 3-4 hours for 5 gallons of gas.  People on Long Island are refusing to leave home for fear of looting - same with Staten Island although that is pretty well controlled by the old mob and I doubt they would let the nyc masses over their two bridges...... back on Long Island, people who go to sleep wake up without their generators or if those are locked down, the gas that powers them.  If these were food lines how long do you think the rioting would take to break out and how long would it be before people are shot just standing in the bread line.
Remember what I said before - twice actually in other posts:  in a race riot you can do as you please, you can shoot, kill, rape, burn, loot; anything you want to do because there are not enough cops to contain anything anywhere and nobody will recognize you or care who you are, if you are the same color they are.  If you sit in a window with a rifle you can shoot so many people you may well run out of ammo before the cops get to you, if they can get in at all.  Do you think the television cops are going to come knocking on your door after the riot asking for receipts for your widescreen tv like the ones stolen from the TV Warehouse during the rioting and looting - nonsense, and the rioters know this as well.  The only time you are going to find out who they are is when you take their id cards off their bodies - that is is they are stupid enough to carry id when they riot.
Yes, a cultural race war will start.  The smart cultural minorities will sit this one out so their numbers will be greater when it's all over.  Let the blacks and whites kill each other off, which they will do to a degree, but not large enough to matter.
I think it is time to arm up and get ready.  If you have a place to go and hide, do so.  If you have to stand and fight, surround yourself with friends and people of the same cultural background (or color) and good luck.  Leave the bodies for the garbage eaters or if they start stinking up too badly throw them into the rivers and remember not to drink the water downstream.
Yes, I think it is going to be a very cold winter.........

[Squib]

CULTURAL DOESN'T MEAN RACIAL!

culture
race              all three inter-related, none synonymous.
ethnicity

progressives generally care about making everyone a believer in the cause, and destroying nationalist sentiment.  they use identity politics to divide and conquer- not because they believe in it.

[Anna]

But only as it relates to them.

[Dixie Dude]

If Romney wins, prepping can be slower, if Obama wins, prep fast. 

[ironglow]

Squib;  You are correct in that culture, race and ethnicity are interelated,,,but not synonymous.
 
  Most of our disagreements arise from each of us having decided which dialectic is closer to the truth.  There are for the most part, 3 major ones to choose from;
   1) Capitalism        2) Socialism/communism     and   3) The Christian world view
   I will not "write off" any of the three..  All three  have deep roots in history and are ardently supported by it's 'true believers'..
    Distorted capitalism can result in a plutocracy,  corrupted socialism/communism can result in a dictatorship and  tortured Christianity can result in a theocracy. 
   Some have their myopic blinders on and can see only the distorted capitalism at work, but cannot see that  dictatorial socialism/communism is no better... and in recent history has proven to be not only controlling, but blood thirsty as well..often killing it's own people.  So far, capitalism has not been involved in devouring it's subjects..other than by abortion.  Still, abortion seems to be more a tool of the socialists among us, rather than the capitalists.
     The socialist/communists and some elements of the capitalists are continually pointing out the dangers of a "theocracy".  There was a time when misunderstood Christianity has become a strangling theocracy, however that was several hundred years ago and no such impulses are afoot among the most 'lively' of the various Christian bodies.  It is likely an effort of distraction by the aforementioned power-seeking entities.
       Jesus Himself made it clear that contrary to popular opinion, since the earliest days of creation..man has been born in sin, "born speaking lies".  He also said there "will be no peace until the Prince of Peace returns".  Man is imperfect, so there is NO WAY he can set up a perfect system.
     Capitalism is not perfect, socialism/communism certainly isn't..nor is the man-polluted church, perfect in the modern sense of the word.
  Probably the most egregious example of distorted capitalism (among others) was the "coal mining town" of 80 years ago, when the big boss owned the town, lock, stock and barrel. The most eveil paid wages which were barely subsistance and forced miners to buy at the "company store".
    Recent centuries and decades are replete with the abuses of the socialist/communist philosophy..Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot and Chairman Mao all killed millions residing in their own country.  Compare the "coal boss" with Pol Pot..which evil would you prefer to live with?
         Further, the S/C philosophy, even though it suggests it exists to "spread the wealth around"..actually has proven a great agent of "spreading poverty around"..   Let us compare "apples to apples"..countries with competeing philosophies side-by-side. 
   Those who are of appropriate experience, consider the old eastern Europe compared with western Europe.  Even more starkly, old East Germany compared to West Germany...or.. Cuba compared to the rest of the Carribean.  How about today's North Korea vs South Korea...all very stark examples of  capitalism vs S/C..
  Incidently, not to shirk the third dialectic..South Korea is today, the most Christianized nation in the world..while Christianity is not allowed in North Korea. Reason seems to be that S/C is a 'religion' unto itself..  I wonder which of the two philosophies gave South Korea such prosperity and such opportunity for a the citizens to prosper?  Was it capitalism, Christianity..or a combination of both?
     Here in the U.S. it was a combination which bulit the U.S. into an example for the world...until S/C started to take root here..and spread it's tentacles (IMO).
   In any case, there is no perfect system and poisoned by unregenerate man, such a thing can never be..
 
  Thousands of gurus, sages, philosophers and flim-flam men over the 6 centuries of civilization, who have predicted a man-made Utopia.  We can look back over the history of those 6 millennia and see that none have been correct..none but Jesus.