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Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« on: November 05, 2012, 09:59:35 AM »
Time to eliminate the Electoral College?  By William La Jeunesse
Published November 05, 2012
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  Democratic presidential nominee Al Gore in 2000 won roughly 500,000 more votes than Republican nominee George W. Bush but lost the election.
In the next presidential race, Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry lost to Bush by more than 3 million votes across all 50 states, but a mere 60,000 more votes in Ohio would have given him the election.
This year, some anticipate a similar scenario, where one candidate wins the popular vote and the other the Electoral College.
 
"The odds are always against it,” Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics, said. “But in a close election, it's always possible. … It has happened four times in American history. Is it going to happen a fifth time this year? Nobody knows."
With some national polls showing the possibility of Romney winning the popular vote over Obama but failing to secure 270 electoral votes, an effort is underway to eliminate the Electoral College.
 
The so-called "college" essentially is a process in which representatives – or “electors” -- from each state vote for the president in accord with their state’s popular vote.
There are 538 electors, and the winning candidate must get the 270 majority. States are allotted electors based on their congressional delegation – one for each House members and two for each senator.
 
"The current system has the problem that presidential campaigns concentrate on only 10 of the 50 states, and at least four out of five Americans are left out of the process of deciding who their president should be," argued John Koza, who leads an effort to eliminate the Electoral College.
In this election, statistics show Romney and Obama spent 95 percent of their time and money in just 10 states.
Obama has traveled to Ohio 19 times for 26 political events. Together with Romney's team, Ohio was the site of 71 campaign visits.
 
By contrast, neither presidential candidate visited Kansas, Alaska or North Dakota. The candidates come to New York and California to raise money but not to meet voters. States that trend too Democratic or Republican get ignored, while so-called “purple states” get the attention.
 
"This is the structure of our country,” Sabato says. “It's the rules we played by for 200-plus years.
Sabato doesn’t think the process is illegitimate but says people should question the fairness of the popular vote being split from the Electoral College vote.
“If the answer's no, then what can we do to modify the Electoral College to change that?" he asks.
 
Nine states have so far joined the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. In doing so, they agree to replace the electors for the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states.
The agreement goes into effect only when the states obtain the 270-vote majority.
Right now, they have 132. While the compact is based on Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, which gives each state legislature the right to decide how to appoint its own electors, some think Congress would also have to affirm the agreement.
 
In the past decade, prominent such Democrats as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as Sens. Dick Durbin and Charles Schumer and even Obama in 2004 supported eliminating the college, while Republican Sens. Orrin Hatch and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell opposed it.
However, the parties' positions could promptly flip should, in the reverse of 2000, the Republican wins the popular vote but loses the election because of the Electoral College.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/05/effort-underway-to-end-electoral-college-with-chance-romney-wins-only-popular/#ixzz2BNry7eIt
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 10:10:06 AM »
Must be getting worried that Romney may only win the popular vote.
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 10:29:01 AM »
Well of course the democrats are always in favor of ending the electoral college, and most anything else they can toss out of the constitution.
 Thing to keep in mind is if the electoral college was done away with New York, Florida, Texas and California would elect the president. States like the Dakota's , Mt, Wy, Ne, Ut, and Idaho would have little to no impact or say in who the president was, the population of those states being less than that of even New York City on it's own..
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 11:06:01 AM »
Not no but HELL NO!


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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2012, 11:14:06 AM »
The electoral college is the only thing that is keeping this country on life support. We would be full blown communist by now if it didn't exist.
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 12:23:49 PM »
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 12:42:58 PM »
is every other office a regular election??


what about  something  like  georgia has
must win 50%+0ne......if  not the next 2 have a run off
this would give  3rd   parties  a chance to try  with out being a spoiler




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how  do you reconcile a  ''faithless  elector''?
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 12:43:55 PM »
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2012, 01:17:28 PM »
I believe there should be an amendment to the Electoral College protocol and that would be that the winner would have to have the majority of Electoral votes and win at least 25 states.
 
The way our population is distributed has made it possible for a President to be elected by effectively the same regionalism that the Electoral College was meant to prevent.  Obviously, the above recommendation would require a few other additions in order to deal with ties etc.
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2012, 06:29:40 PM »
Im afraid not. It is not perfect, but I would not let the current controlling interests decide what color to paint an outhouse, let alone revamp the entire power structure of the country.
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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 01:58:24 AM »
Repealing the 17th Amendment would go a long way in restoring the republic.
That would force a marked increase in the attention paid to state & local elections.

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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 03:58:26 PM »
Big no-no. The founding fathers had a lot more wisdom than we do. While it is not perfect,big states like NY etc could run ripshod over the smaller states.

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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 10:53:29 PM »
 Actually, I like the concept of the individual congressoinal districts the represent the electoral votes being counted individually.

 California has 27, so each district wins for one guy or the other and he gets that one electoral vote. I retains protection from mob rule that doing away with the electoral  college would result in, but makes those of us in Calif, New York etc who don't vote "blue state" actually have a vote that counts. Every district would matter.

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Re: Time to eliminate the electoral college??
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2012, 03:07:36 AM »
Im afraid not. It is not perfect, but I would not let the current controlling interests decide what color to paint an outhouse, let alone revamp the entire power structure of the country.


this  is a valid point....but i think it can be overcome


this  is why  a  ''almost'' always vote against state constitution amendments
is any other office elected this way??
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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