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  ...Or will we go the way of banana republics?
 
   If we go the banana route..what will we do with a few million more people with the "where's my freebies" attitude?
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 05:52:05 PM »
Will we remain a free, constitutional republic? How can we remain a free constitutional republic when we havent been a free constitutional republic for quite sometime? 
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 06:35:24 PM »
+1  You are as free today as you were yesterday. The majority of you have participated enthusiastically in getting us to this point. Any person who has said "there ought to be a law".......... we are no less repressive than many other countries, we are just more "civilized", not violent, less overt force used, and with a complicated systemic approach that a huge percentage of the population are part of and benefit from.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 06:53:13 PM »
  The term "freedom" in this world is not an absolute, but a relative term.  In decent society we do not have freedom to murder, rape, molest children nor burn our neighbor's house down..it IS a relative term..
  However, as of this day, some of our friends and neighbors have sailed the "ship of state" over the falls..now watch her plunge..
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 05:47:27 AM »
Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..

Yes.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 06:48:05 AM »
Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..

Yes.
Not if obama has anything to do with it!

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 07:52:35 AM »
We will just become the new Rome.

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 07:55:05 AM »
Will we remain a free, constitutional republic? How can we remain a free constitutional republic when we havent been a free constitutional republic for quite sometime?
Republicans still control the House, as long as they do not just become another gaggle of Washington insiders they still have power.

I do not know how many, if any Senate seats are up in two years but that will also help determine how much misery the government, in sum, can foist on the U.Sl populace in the next four years.

One part of me actually hopes that we totally go to hell in a handbasket as A: we are getting what we deserve; B: that would destroy Democratic Party as far al further elections for a long time but do not forget Dem. Light George Bush started this spending slide--- (and remeber, the  flatulating mouths on talk radio and TV never called him on it but were infatuated with trashing Clinton the way Obama trashed Bush)--- so if Rinos like him still run the party, stupidity has just rewards and we are reaping them.

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 09:39:54 AM »
There's only one fix for our new problems, but there are not enough real men left to administer the fix.

obama made promises to sarah brady and putin.  your freedoms are being planned away as we speak.
I haven't seen the figures yet, but 3rd party votes may have affected the outcome.

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 11:33:49 AM »
When I went to bed last night Romney was leading. I woke up this morning to total shock and disgust. Too many sheep voted him back in. This nation has a cancer, I realized just how bad it was this morning. If this cancer isn't put in check it will be terminal to our way of life.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 02:46:12 PM »
It's gonna be a surprise to his followers when they find themselves either working in a government factory or starving.
that's what communism is all about.  an elite few will rule "ala politburo"
the rest are slaves to the government.

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2012, 04:56:16 PM »
The serious concern, for anyone who considers him/her self conservative, much less Libertarian, is the Supreme Court Justices that Obama may put forth.

That/they could seriously attack this countries freedom by making judgement regardless of the Constitution.

If it got extremely serious I believe they can be impeached but in reality with the self-centered panti-waists that most of Congress is made of, I would not bet a plug nickel on that happening.

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2012, 05:47:50 PM »
The serious concern, for anyone who considers him/her self conservative, much less Libertarian, is the Supreme Court Justices that Obama may put forth.

That/they could seriously attack this countries freedom by making judgement regardless of the Constitution.

If it got extremely serious I believe they can be impeached but in reality with the self-centered panti-waists that most of Congress is made of, I would not bet a plug nickel on that happening.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2012, 10:32:16 AM »
The serious concern, for anyone who considers him/her self conservative, much less Libertarian, is the Supreme Court Justices that Obama may put forth.

This is what has me worried more than anything.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2012, 10:37:16 AM »
The serious concern, for anyone who considers him/her self conservative, much less Libertarian, is the Supreme Court Justices that Obama may put forth.

This is what has me worried more than anything.
that's too horrible to contemplate.
those that didn't vote will be kicking themselves very soon.   idiots!!!!

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2012, 08:48:12 AM »
We have lost most of our Freedom,I once enjoyed in my 73 years as an American,one chip/law at a time over time!
This Nation The United States,is no longer the White Mans America I knew!
Freedom lost is never regained,now that's a fact!
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2012, 03:43:52 AM »
As a kid, I could walk down the street with a revolver strapped on and a rifle or shotgun over my shoulder.
try that today.......

no, we will not.  obama will appoint, probably two, supremes, and everything that comes before the SCOTUS from that point will favor communism.
there's three on the court now who are socialists.
add in all the federal judges around the country that he'll appoint, and we are lost.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2012, 04:49:00 AM »
AS this thread continues i see a fairly wide differentiation as to what various people consider a "free, constitutional republic" ..
  Let's see how the question plays out..it should provide an insight as to how each of us view our government and how much of a role it should play in our lives.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2012, 05:45:11 AM »
AS this thread continues i see a fairly wide differentiation as to what various people consider a "free, constitutional republic" ..
  Let's see how the question plays out..it should provide an insight as to how each of us view our government and how much of a role it should play in our lives.


We are not going to magically remaine anything except what our enemy's want us to be.
If we do not get off our laurels and change that. Our forfathers didn't wish America into existence
free from British tyranny, they did something about it! All the talk came secondary to doing the deeds they knew would ever give the talk any real teeth.


So we need to be asking ourselves, what is it that our enemy's understand about this that we don't ?


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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2012, 07:55:46 AM »
NO !!
Frankly and without malice on my part , you don't deserve it. To much play to much meddling to smug,  lets have fun, not my job and don't worry it'll go away and more..........
What is the point of Life if you can't have fun.

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2012, 08:26:30 AM »
As a kid, I could walk down the street with a revolver strapped on and a rifle or shotgun over my shoulder.
try that today.......

no, we will not.  obama will appoint, probably two, supremes, and everything that comes before the SCOTUS from that point will favor communism.
there's three on the court now who are socialists.
add in all the federal judges around the country that he'll appoint, and we are lost.
Yes back some time Boys were expected to be good shots and encouraged to do so,even Girls had Rifle Teams in school.
 
We had Civilian Marksmanship Training on Friday after school with 22s,but the lead contamination police put an end to that in the 60s,one chip at a time,Freedom lost,could it be from our minority population?
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2012, 08:53:39 AM »
To remain a Constitutional Republic, doesn't the three branches of government have to support the Constitution. We have more in common with the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto than our Constitution. A very large percentage of people have never read the Constitution nor do they have an understanding of it.
The press, entertainment industry, and free public education system have done well with mind control. There is no room in peoples heads for truth anymore. Just mention to a democrat voter some of the corruption going on, and they claim its the republicans, or Bush's fault. Both parties keep us fighting amongst ourselves while they drive us deeper in debt.
How do we have a Constitutional Republic when our government is not following what is specifically spelled out in the Constitution. The majority of government actions and expenditures are for things that are not Constitutional. So if the Constitutional is ignored by the three branches of government, all we have is a democracy with a criminal government. The only time the Constitution is used or mentioned is when it suits the criminals in government.
We are failing not only what our founders set up for us, but as a society. Godlessness has bought about the destruction of marriage, and the family. Many Americans are convinced they can trade responsibility and genuine commitment for self indulgence and self gratification. Divorce now has easy to follow steps for just about any provocation or annoyance. Then there are a large number of lawyers to help guide you.
Godlessness also brings about wide spread sexual immorality and acceptance, along with the acceptance of homosexuality, along with a host of other evils, like greed, depravity, strife, deceit, malice, idolatry, and increasing cruelty and violence. Godlessness breeds wickedness, which is always the mark of a civilization that is nearing collapse.             
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2012, 10:32:35 AM »
Well said DDZ, and even if we attempted to turn it all back would it be to late ? Constantine a Roman
Emperor tried this by making Christianity the only accepted religion in the entire Empire.
To little to late, Rome still was sacked and burned then fell. At least the western empire did.
The eastern empire was able to flourish for some time eventually under a different name. But one
major thing in its favor was that it had obtained the secret of Greek fire.

And if you have ever seen this stuff in real life they still say it isn't like anything we have today.
Oh lots of people speculate what it was as anything from napalm to prosperous.Not even close,
not the way those who had it used on them describe it. And why not? I mean we lost the secret to
making concrete for century's. I can tell you where a lot of this stuff may be hidden,and that is at
the Vatican in Rome.
   

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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2012, 11:26:11 AM »
DDZ, a very good post and some excellent questions...

During the campaign, Romney went on record saying that he promised to never sign a bill unless it passed constitutional muster.  but people were too worried about him being a mormon, or he's not a libertarian, or he's not a conservative.  well look what you got folks.  a socialist!!!!!

If I had cast a protest vote, or "not" voted, I would be ashamed of myself.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2012, 01:18:51 PM »
 Anna, I’d like to think that we can turn things around, and I pray for that change. Do I think it will happen, not at all. If we tried what Constantine tried, it would not work here either. The change has to come from the heart not be forced. You are correct when in your earlier post  you stated” we will become the new Rome.” Rome was mired in many of the same holes we are in, that led to their demise. I think sexuality immorality being a big one. God is pretty adamant about divorce, adultery, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, and other sexual immorality, because it destroys lives, families, and societies. We have to much apathy anymore to make a drastic change. It will take great misery among the people before this country puts God first again.

 Noah Webster said “The Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence."

 "Why should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the Sacred Book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and probably if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind."  Fisher Ames

"The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be aid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.  Without religion, I believe that learning does real mischief to the morals and principles of mankind."  Benjamin Rush

There are many other quotes by our founders that indicate how important morals and the Holy Bible are in keeping a free and moral people along with a Constitutional Republic.
The Bible used to be used as a required text book in schools, for the purpose of teaching children moral principles to live by.  As time went on, the Bible was gradually replaced by other text books such as Noah Webster's Primer. Webster's Primer taught children to spell but was also filled with moral Bible verses.This is the exact opposite of our schools today. The courts in this country have revised the First Amendment, erecting a wall of atheism around every public school in America, where God is not allowed to be mentioned. This is not the wall Thomas Jefferson envisioned. Anymore a playboy in school causes less fuss than a Bible.

 
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2012, 02:19:45 PM »
DDZ, I am in total agreement with you. And I don't believe anything will ever be done until like
Rome we will have barbarians at the gates.By then it was to late for Rome, it will be to late for us.
Apathy breeds defeat, and it has been extremely hard for those who want to know the truth about     the last days of Rome to come up with that info. That was because down through the century's just
about everyone had to put in their two cents about what they thought had happened.
I can only hope that we as a people who fought so hard for what we knew was right, do not suffer
that same fate to be written by those who never knew what being an American really was all about.
The Pax Romana was the republic of Romes Constitution, down through time it has been so changed
by those who wanted it to read what they wanted it to. That it reads nothing about what it originally
had intended to convey.  I can only hope the same thing does not happen to our own Constitution as well .









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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2012, 04:59:22 PM »
DDZ, a very good post and some excellent questions...

During the campaign, Romney went on record saying that he promised to never sign a bill unless it passed constitutional muster.  but people were too worried about him being a mormon, or he's not a libertarian, or he's not a conservative.  well look what you got folks.  a socialist!!!!!

If I had cast a protest vote, or "not" voted, I would be ashamed of myself.
Well you can go ahead and be ashamed, given what you did vote for. ::)

BTW Romeny "went on record" about a lot of things.....but he never DID anything about them. :P

Time to quit running in circles, pointing fingers, and casting blame on others. Be a man and take some of the blame for your own actions.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2012, 02:35:51 AM »
DDZ, a very good post and some excellent questions...

During the campaign, Romney went on record saying that he promised to never sign a bill unless it passed constitutional muster.  but people were too worried about him being a mormon, or he's not a libertarian, or he's not a conservative.  well look what you got folks.  a socialist!!!!!

If I had cast a protest vote, or "not" voted, I would be ashamed of myself.
Well you can go ahead and be ashamed, given what you did vote for. ::)

BTW Romeny "went on record" about a lot of things.....but he never DID anything about them. :P

Time to quit running in circles, pointing fingers, and casting blame on others. Be a man and take some of the blame for your own actions.
He didn't DO ANYTHING because he was not in public office.
I'm sure you didn't vote for Romney in the primary, well guess what? neither did I.
but after the primary, I can liken the country to a drowning man and you're standing there with a rope.  you yell out to the drowning man "this rope has been used before and is kinda dirty, just hang in there and maybe someone will be along with a better rope"  a patriot would have realized the danger the man was in and thrown the best rope that was on hand.
obama will probably stack the SCOTUS will ultra liberal judges, not to mention the other federal judges he will appoint.  the rights of the people will be gone.
of course as a LEO you'll have your gun so you don't really care what happens to the rest of us.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2012, 03:12:27 AM »
Anna, I’d like to think that we can turn things around, and I pray for that change. Do I think it will happen, not at all. If we tried what Constantine tried, it would not work here either. The change has to come from the heart not be forced. You are correct when in your earlier post  you stated” we will become the new Rome.” Rome was mired in many of the same holes we are in, that led to their demise. I think sexuality immorality being a big one. God is pretty adamant about divorce, adultery, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, and other sexual immorality, because it destroys lives, families, and societies. We have to much apathy anymore to make a drastic change. It will take great misery among the people before this country puts God first again.

 Noah Webster said “The Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence."

 "Why should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the Sacred Book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and probably if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind."  Fisher Ames

"The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be aid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.  Without religion, I believe that learning does real mischief to the morals and principles of mankind."  Benjamin Rush

There are many other quotes by our founders that indicate how important morals and the Holy Bible are in keeping a free and moral people along with a Constitutional Republic.
The Bible used to be used as a required text book in schools, for the purpose of teaching children moral principles to live by.  As time went on, the Bible was gradually replaced by other text books such as Noah Webster's Primer. Webster's Primer taught children to spell but was also filled with moral Bible verses.This is the exact opposite of our schools today. The courts in this country have revised the First Amendment, erecting a wall of atheism around every public school in America, where God is not allowed to be mentioned. This is not the wall Thomas Jefferson envisioned. Anymore a playboy in school causes less fuss than a Bible.

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    DDZ;
   You put it in a nutshell, the Christian faith and it's Bible demonstrate what is necessary for good living and good government.  For the first 300 to 400 years in America it did very well..even among people of other faiths..or no faith, who dwelt here.
   It is interesting to note, our downward spiral into the maelstrom of sin and possible national failure, did not begin until many n our population decided to turn away from the good sense which founded this country, and the wisdom of the ages presented in God's word, the Bible...and away from God Himself.
   Can we get it back before collapse?  It may be possible, but not probable; we would need a turnabout with genuine repentence and an enforced, frugal buget for years...but I don't see that happening.  We are now dealing with a couple self-centered generations which are for the most part, basically heathen.
  Of course, there are some very fine, quality people in every generation...but so much of this generation is soaked in degrading habits and beliefs..not of their own making...which they have been brainwashed into.
      We were warned of this time ..2000 years ago..Christians know what may well be next :
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              24 Therefore God gave them overA)'> in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.B)'> 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie,C)'> and worshiped and served created thingsD)'> rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.E)'> Amen.F)'>
26 Because of this, God gave them overG)'> to shameful lusts.H)'> Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.I)'> 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.J)'>
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them overK)'> to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,L)'> 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;M)'> 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love,N)'> no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,O)'> they not only continue to do these very things but also approveP)'> of those who practice them.
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Re: Question of the evening..Will we remain a free, constitutional republic..
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2012, 04:29:03 AM »
IG, isn't it something that scripture God inspired Paul to write is every bit as relevant today as it was then. I pray that the people in this country would turn back to God. The founders Knew we needed God and Godly men to lead us to remain a Constitutional Republic. During our founding we had very intelligent men with wisdom, because they let God and the Holy Bible guide them in how they governed. Now all we have leading us are a bunch of empty suits. Some of them may have intelligence, but very few have any wisdom. 
The founders used God's word, and was very instrumental in the writing of our founding documents. Without those Godly men writing our Constitution we would have not had the Constitution we have.
 Many today like to believe that the founders were a bunch of deists, its whats told and taught today. The world doesn't want to link our founders with Christianity, because we can't have God and the Holy Bible viewed as main ingredients in our founding documents. We also can't have communist or Marxist rule with God being the supreme being. I believe its the reason God is being discarded in this country. Men in government is now seen as the provider, and giver of all things.
I see many say that Christians want to legislate their morality. That is not true at all, Christians know that morality only comes from a heart that has let Jesus Christ enter. Its up to each of us if we want to be a moral people. Its just that if the people are moral, they will have a government that is moral, and just.  Christ has to be the standard for right and wrong. If he is not, we will continue on the path to our demise.             
Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.    Wm. Penn