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Officials seek cause of Indianapolis explosion that leveled neighborhood and killed 2  Published November 12, 2012
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  •    Nov. 11, 2012: Authorities say a loud explosion has leveled a home in Indianapolis and set four others ablaze in a neighborhood. (AP)
  INDIANAPOLIS –  The blast was so loud it woke people as far as three miles away, triggering thoughts of a plane crash or earthquake.
Alex Pflanzer was sound asleep when his home's windows blew out and his wife started screaming.
What he didn't know — what nobody knew Saturday night about an hour before midnight — was that something had caused an explosion that leveled at least two nearby houses in this middle-class Indianapolis neighborhood so far south that it's almost a suburb.
The blast killed two people and rendered whole blocks uninhabitable. The cause of the explosion remains under investigation.
"I didn't know what was going on," Pflanzer said. "I thought someone was breaking in the house, because the alarm was going off."
 
Pflanzer grabbed his gun and started checking the house. Then he noticed the front door was open and saw a reddish glow flickering outside.
"I walked outside and all the houses were on fire," he said.
Officials have not released the identities of the two people who were killed. However, a candlelight vigil was held Sunday night at Southwest Elementary School in nearby Greenwood for second-grade teacher Jennifer Longworth. She and her husband, John Dion Longworth, lived in one of the homes destroyed in the blast. WTHR-TV reported that friends, family and colleagues of the teacher gathered at the school.
On Saturday night after the blast, about 200 people from the neighborhood were sent to nearby school until they could find someplace to spend the rest of the night.
Pflanzer, his wife and two dogs found a hotel room, but they couldn't coax their panic-stricken cat out of the crawlspace.
"All the material things can be replaced, so I'm not worried about that stuff," he said. "People are a lot worse off than I am. People died, and so our thoughts and prayers go out to them first."
 
As a summery day dawned Sunday, it became clear that the extent of the damage was even worse than it had seemed in the dark, when as many as 70 firefighters who responded to a report of a house on fire instead found a row of homes engulfed in flames.
By Sunday afternoon, splintered wood on charred earth were all that remained of at least two homes at the blast's epicenter, and two homes on either side were blackened husks. Across the street, garage doors had buckled from the heat.
Deputy Code Enforcement Director Adam Collins said as many as 31 homes were damaged so badly that they might have to be demolished. The explosion damaged a total of 80 homes, he said. He estimated the damage at $3.6 million.
Some residents were allowed to return to their homes to retrieve a few belongings Sunday under police escort. Others whose homes weren't as badly damaged were allowed to return, but officials said they would have to do without electricity overnight. And others, officials said, never will be allowed to go back inside their homes.
"There are houses that will have to be torn down," Deputy Fire Chief Kenny Bacon said.
Bacon said investigators had not eliminated any possible causes for the blast. But U.S. Rep. Andre Carson, who represents the area, said he had been told a bomb or meth lab explosion had been ruled out.
Dan Able, a 58-year-old state employee who lives across the street from the flattened homes, was puzzled by the blast.
"I'm wondering about all the possibilities it could be," he said. "I don't know how a gas leak could do that kind of damage."
"We just don't know" what the cause was, said police spokesman Kendale Adams. "We're working to get to the bottom of it."
Dan Considine, a spokesman for Citizens Energy, said the utility had not received any calls from people in the area smelling the telltale rotten-eggs smell of a chemical added to natural gas, which is odorless.
"Most of the time when there's a gas leak, people smell it," he said. "But not always."
Carson said the National Transportation Safety Board and the federal Department of Transportation, which have oversight over pipelines, were also sending investigators.
Bacon said the toll could have been much worse. "I know we're very fortunate that some of the people weren't home," he said.
Bryan and Trina McClellan were at home with their 23-year-old son, Eric, when the shockwave from the blast a block away knocked out the windows along one side of their house.
Their first instinct was to check on their grandchildren, two toddlers who were in the basement. One held his ears and said, "Loud noise, loud noise."
Eric McClellan said he ran to the scene of the explosion.
"Somebody was trapped inside one of the houses, and the firefighters were trying to get to him. I don't know if he survived," he said, adding that firefighters ordered him to leave the area.
Officials said at least two dozen off-duty police officers who live on the city's south side rushed to the scene to help with the rescue effort.
Once the flames were out, firefighters went through what was left of the neighborhood, one home at a time, in case people had been left behind, Fire Lt. Bonnie Hensley said.
Most evacuees eventually left the school to stay with relatives, friends or at hotels, and the relief operation was moved to a church just a few blocks away. Tables in the church dining room were piled high with blankets, food, diapers, water and other supplies. An animal shelter on the south side of the city offered free boarding for pets whose owners had nowhere to take them.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Rob Hock, said hundreds of members had shown up to help after he put out a call during the morning services. Volunteers were working to be sensitive to the stress on people whose homes had been scarred.
"This is hard on them," he said. "This is not an easy thing for them."

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Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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News said that the gas co said there had been no recent problems in that area, leading me to believe that there may have been in the past. Dunno. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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Gas lines are required to be inspected once a year.  So no leaks within the last year.  Have to check back records.  Gas usually doesn't cause that much damage unless it is high pressure.  Most residential and commercial areas are medium pressure, less than 60 psi.   An explosion like that would have to have perfect conditions.  Gas only explodes with between 4-14% gas in the air.  Any less it won't explode, only burn.  Any more, not enough oxygen after 14% to cause an explosion.  Most of the time it will only blow out the windows, and then burn, but total explosion, there could have been a high pressure line that developed a leak nearby and it could travel to a house via sewage or storm drains. 
 
Perfect conditions would be say a leak in the house, the gas to air ratio would have to be in the teens, above 10% but less than 14%, and a flame or spark would have to be there to cause the explosion.  The house could fill up with gas and be at say 12% when it hit a pilot on a water heater, or someone cut on a light smelling gas or the phone rang.  Like I said, it would have to be perfect conditions. 
 
If you guys ever smell gas in your home, don't turn on lights, open windows, go outside and call the gas company or turn it off your self at your meter.  A small localised smell like at your stove or in the kitchen might just be someone left on a burner.  Whole house get out, open windows and doors, turn off gas outside, let the house air out.  Let gas company or HVAC tecnician check for leaks by pressurising gas line. 
 
High pressure lines have to be checked for leaks every 6 months, depending on the wall thickness, type pipe, and hoop stress. 
 
I work in the gas industry, hope it wasn't.  It could have been someone trying to make a bomb, or someone trying to kill someone.  Hope they can figure it out. 

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could it have been a big meth lab?  not sure how bad their explosions are.
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Haven't thought of that, but it is possible. 

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What about an act of terrorism? If thats the case we will never be told the truth. Its getting  too hard for them to hit a plane or a nuclear power plant or other "high value" targets now. I have been wondering when they will get around to blowing up soft targets-like residential areas.
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What about an act of terrorism? If thats the case we will never be told the truth. Its getting  too hard for them to hit a plane or a nuclear power plant or other "high value" targets now. I have been wondering when they will get around to blowing up soft targets-like residential areas.
I've thought of that, but wouldn't they choose a crowded mall or a school.
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DIXIE DUDE. Thanks for your input. A few yrs ago a neighbors house blew up. They had just filled the propane tank that day. Joe couldn't smell. Evidently there was a leak under the house and it built up inside. His GF got up as she smelled something, turned on a lt swith ignited it. She was blown through a wall and found 20 ft from the house, Joe was trapped in a bdr and couldn't get out. Neighbors heard his screams as he burned alive. She lived about a week, don't think she ever regained consciousness. They were good folks. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Could have been makeing a bomb and things went bad. Could have had a couple of grill bottles in a garage and odd happenings caused a freak accident. Unlimited guesses. I'll wait until results of the authoraties come out and then form my own "conspiracy" theory.   ;D  ear
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my brother in Ill blew himself up several years ago.  the 100% safety shut-off on his propane furnace failed.  he woke up cold and went to the basement to check the pilot light and the static from the nylon carpet set off a basement full of gas.
his wife found him back up in the kitchen walking in circles mumbling and his shorts were smolding.
the only damage was some rags hanging on nails had burnt.
of course my brother was in the burn unit for about 4 weeks.
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Yep, normally natural gas won't blow up several houses, just the one with the leak, then start fires.  Fire can jump from house to house, but unless it was HIGH PRESSURE gas, that wouldn't have happend unless it was absolutely perfect circumstances. 
 
Unsafe things I have noticed with natural gas and propane in my 37 years experience:
 
1) Use hard black steel pipe for your piping.  Don't use copper or some of this newfangled flexible steel.  Both can develop holes from rubbing, nails from picture hanging, etc. 
 
2) Have any meters or regulators from the gas company moved OUTSIDE.  Not in a basement or under the house.  The regulators can fail and blow.  Outside in the air, it is much safer since natural gas rises and doesn't settle to the ground like propane. 
 
3) Keep all propane and gasoline containers OUTSIDE in a seperate storage, Not even in your garage. 
 
4) If your gas water heater is accessible from your garage, install it 18" off the floor in case your have a gasoline spill from your car or from a lawnmower or gas can.  And if you have to store fuel in your garage, keep it low to the floor. 
 
5) If you smell gas in your home, use a flashlight, not a light switch.  Find the source, turn it off to fix.  Open windows and doors to air out.  Go outside to use your cell phone to call or to a neighbors.  Even disconnecting a cell phone from a charger can emmit enough spark to ignite gas. 
 
6) A faint wiff of gas is usually never dangerous, just check all your gas appliances to see if a burner was left on, or there is a damaged pipe or something.  Strong smell get out, call from a neighbors, turn off the gas outside with a cressant wrench. 
 
Gas actually has a safer record than electricity.  Of people killed by gas or electric, 9 out of 10 are electrocutions, 1 out of 10 is from a gas fire or explosion.  Like I said, 99% of gas explosions in homes are buildings, blow out the windows and doors, but the structure remains in place. 
 
Gas is better in a power outage.  Stove burners can be lit with a match for cooking.  Gas space heaters or logs can heat your home.  Gas water heaters can give you a hot shower if the water is still pumping.  Natural gas usually never has an outage from natural causes except earthquakes or hurricanes or tornados.  Even then it is still on and leaking.  Most outages are from human error.  Cut mains by some digging contractor.  Or some water contractor turning off a main valve thinking it is water.  You can also buy natural gas generators that automatically come on during a power outage.   
 
We caught some college students swapping gas and water valve box lids in the street one time.  We knew where ours were by maps.  Also we started painting the inside of the valve box yellow so even if the lids are switched, you know that is a gas valve.
 
Propane is next best, but remember, leaking natural gas rises, leaking propane settles to the ground.  Natural gas is lighter than air, propane and gasoline are heaver than air. 
 
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could it have been a big meth lab?  not sure how bad their explosions are.
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They are more fire than violent explosion. Although they do explode, they are similar to that of a fuel/oil fire.


An explosion as violent as it is being described IE; structural damage to many surrounding houses (of course it depends upon the severity of the structural damage) could only have been produced by much more "agressive" compounds like smokeless powder (but i think unlikely) or worse.


Flash bangs,  if you toss enough of them into a small room at once will do minor structural damage if there is no venting. But they don't have much more kick than black powder.


I don't know about a drone or stray missile. I think someone would have heard a more distinct noise (remains to be reported?). But if it wasn't this than definitely, some one was using some very serious crap bordering on, if not, military grade ordnance/compound.