CCW permits, a different type of question

[keith44]

My state (KY) issues CCDW permits.  That is Concealed Carry Deadly Weapon, and includes not only guns, but knives, throwing stars, and all manner of weapons one could deploy for self defense, excluding explosives.  The permit looks a lot like a drivers license, with current picture, etc.  Indiana's permit seems to only recognize handguns and knives, and is a simple piece of paper with nothing more than a name and number, no picture, nothing.  Ky's permit must be picked up at the Sheriffs office in the county of residence, IN's permit is mailed to the house.


Just curious what other state's permits are like.

[SHOOTALL]

Va. is a pcs. of paper for handgun only. It must be presented with a state issued ID . It can be picked up or mailed to the house. If you have one when ever your Dri. Lic. is called in by police etc. it tells them you have one. No big deal right ? well when I entered Canada it became a big deal. They wanted to know why I needed one , how many hand guns I had , How much ammo I had etc. took somre time as they would ask a questio the say havve a seat wait then call me up to the counter and ask another question. But the same thing happened to a friend because he had a NRA sticker on the truck.

[FPH]

TX looks like a drivers license.  FBI background check, finger prints.....mailed to me in about 6 wks.

[Old Syko]

Keith you're a bit off on Indiana's process.  First of all, it is a LTCH, license to carry handgun and is now a one time thing or lifetime license.  You first fill out the application but then must show up at your counties sheriffs office for printing and approval on the local level.  The state is then notified of your application and it is up to them to do a complete background check and if there are no discrepancies they must issue license which is then mailed directly to the applicant.  There is no picture since it is not a valid I.D. therefore not necessary. 


BTW it is also honored in its entirety by your state of Kentucky and the state of Indiana honors all licenses, permits, etc from all other states.  Damn shame the other 49 can't use the same common sense.  Only a hand full do.     

[keith44]

thanks old syko, my info was based on a conversation with a co-worker some months ago.  I work in IN and carry there as well as my home state.  Comparing our permits got me wondering what other states permits, and process was like. 


Yes Ky and In have a good agreement about each others carry permits.  The main difference is KY requires an 8 hr class that includes proficiency testing on a range.

[FPH]

TX also requires 8 hrs classroom and qualification with a weapon.  You can get revolver only or revolver + semi auto if you qualify with a semi.

[Old Syko]

Lack of an education course (tax) is the rub with so many states that disallow the validity of Indiana licenses.  My issue with any such required course is many fold.  Much like the hunter ed courses now required, they are no better than their instructors.  We had a local instructor of hunter ed who has accidentally    shot himself not once but twice and been run off of numerous properties for hunting without permission.      


The term reciprocity gets used a lot yet it is not really the case with states like Indiana whose lawmakers have so far refused to be brought to a lower level of restricting rights of non-residents.  We also have no stupid printing laws or other restrictions as to how one chooses to carry.  Although most carry concealed it is not unusual to see folks carrying openly and in some times of the year it seems almost mandatory in some areas.

[Mikey]

NY is a license type card identifying the holder, with another card listing those handguns in possession.  A NRA approved training course is required for a basic premisces only or target/hunting license, with a more intensive course required after one year for a unrestricted ccw. 
Florida, for out of state reciprocal carry purposes only, and then only with some other states, requires you to hold a ccw in your home state while in-state Fl ccw permits have more stringent requirements, I believe. It is also a license type card.

I believe that dual ny/Fl ccw permits allow for reciprocity in about 41 of the continental states (may be more or less..).  Some states do not recognize ccw permits from other states because the other states do not recognize theirs.  A example, I believe is Georgia and ny:  ny does not recognize the Ga. permitting process as being as stringent as the ny process, so they don't accept Ga. permits for reciprocal carry.  In turn, Ga. tells ny to stick it and doesn't recognize the ny permit.  Had a Sheriff Deputy friend of mine get into a uncomfortable situation in Ga. when questioned by a Ga. Conservation Officer regarding the handgun he was using to hunt with (Contender) as it required licensing in Ga. (at least for out of state hunters) but then almost got badly burned for carrying a ccw without reciprocal license. 

There is a publication available, and updated regularly I beleive, which details the handgun permit laws in the different states and also provides (I believe) detail about reciprocity in different states. 

Of course, it goes without saying there are many places you cannot go with a handgun or rifle, even a ccw, like post offices, theaters, some restaurants, schools, macdonalds, some churches, some motel/hotels, as these places prefer unarmed victims in attendance only, so be aware that if you have to shoot your way out of a voting booth, burger king, popeye's chicken emporium or a motel 6 you may be in for more trouble than dysentary.......

[williamlayton]

In Texas the DL & CCL is the same number--I often use mine when asked to ID myownself with a DL---it is in the same place in the wallet and I don't bother to look to see which I have witdrawn.
Blessings

[FPH]

My nonresident TX CCL and my NM lic.# are different. My NM lic. # is listed though.

[Spirithawk]

Here in Missouri a CCW permit is good for 3 years. Because it and a driver's license will expire at differant times they issue the CCW on a seperate permit. Otherwise you'd have one expiring before the other and have to renew both anyways if on the same permit. My wallet has a flip out flap with windows on each side. I put my driver's license and CCW in it back to back.

[mechanic]

In Ga. it is issued by the Probate Judge, and is mailed to your house with your fingerprint on it, along with a description.   No picture.  It is for 5 years, but winds up with the electronic fingerprinting and background check at about $90.00
 
Ben

[handi270]

Ok. 8 hr. class, 4 in classroom 4 at range (if a large class) get app. from OSBI, take it and training cert. to sheriff office, get fingerprinted. Send it in to OSBI, approx 90 day wait. If approved laminated picture wallet card sent back to sheriff, his office calls and you pick it up.
approx. 60-65 dollars for class. 5 year ccw 125.00, 10 year 250.00


Open carry legal as of Nov.1 this year. Saw a guy in a restuarant yesterday in OKC I thought was probably not leo, with his son, open carrying no one seemed to notice. Of course this is Oklahoma.


I don't plan to open carry.

[williamlayton]

Open carry is good as a choice when it is to inconvenient to put clothes on.
 
Blessings

[keith44]

Open carry is good as a choice when it is to inconvenient to put clothes on.
 
Blessings

I really do not want to know how you arrived at that, true as it sounds.

[mechanic]

Open carry is good as a choice when it is to inconvenient to put clothes on.
 
Blessings

I really do not want to know how you arrived at that, true as it sounds.

'Em Texans do things differently......
 
Ben

[Empty Quiver]

Mine from Mn. is about like a laminated business card. State Seal, a signature, some official wording, then poorly laminated to a size that really won't fit into a wallet. However, my new driver license has a "endorsement" area on the reverse side that has wording to the effect I have a carry permit, as well as the firearms safety cert., and all my commercial endorsements as well.
 
I am not quite sure the ramifications of the DL info. I'm figuring it is a way to quickly inform an officer I could be legally carrying. The actual permit verifying the fact it is legal.

[Spirithawk]

Gee William, if you're running around naked you don't need a  gun. The sight of you running around in your birthday suit alone is enough to scare any bad guy away!
Usualy if you are stopped it comes up imediately that you have a Conceal Carry Permit when the officer runs your driver's license. Here it's not required you inform the officer you are carrying but it is common courtesy and can make a word of diferance in how he treats you if you imediately inform him you are.

[Old Syko]

Here it's not required you inform the officer you are carrying but it is common courtesy and can make a word of diferance in how he treats you if you imediately inform him you are.

This is another can of worms altogether.  We are told that requirements to notify vary from state to state which isn't 100% true.  In some cases it seems to vary from cop to cop.  Some seem to think they can make up their own requirements.  Around here it doesn't seem to matter.  Hopped in a truck with a guy from another state a while back and in our travels got to talking too much and he didn't pay attention to the speed limits.  We were pulled over and the cop, in a very dry voice merely said "license and registration please".  My driver immediately informed him that he had a loaded handgun in the glove box where his registration was.  The cops response was again a dry "Uh huh, me to.  License and registration please".  Evidently in Texas where the driver was from, such things are handled a bit different than that.  Not all cops handle things the same way or are as laid back but this is a cop I can respect.

[FPH]

In TX we don't have open carry unfortunately.  We are not required to inform the LEOs we are carring either.

[trotterlg]

In Washington State it is a CPP (only covers Pistols) costs about $55.00 no test, no picture, just a fold up card mailed to you.  Arizona accepts permits from all States, so I just use my WA permit there.  Really don't have to have a permit in Arizona except you are allowed to carry in more places if you have one.  Larry

[jackruff]

Mississippi's permit is a plastic card much like a driver's license.  It has my picture on it which was taken by the same person who took my DL renewal photo.  It is a concealed firearms permit issued by the Mississippi Highway Safety Patrol and does not permit the carrying of other weapons.  No training is required, but if the proper training course is taken and passed, which I have done, a sticker is applied that allows carrying in a number of places where it is not otherwise allowed - almost everywhere except in court and on Federal installations.

[Lost Oki]

NC requires class, live fire and permit is for 5 yrs.  If you renew in advance, no class required, let it lapse, take another $100 class.  Permit is laminated at the local sheriffs office.  You are required to notify a LEO if pulled over and it will come up when they run your license.  County I live in require you to come in for interview.  They also tell you if you leave a pistol in the glove dept and your wife or child takes the car, all they have to do is announce that there may be a firearm in the glove dept and there is not an issue. 
Blew them out of the water when I handed them my old Indiana permit and explained I did not have to take a class (although I did at the local gun club) and that my son, who lives in IN. has a life time.  Friend in Indiana, Capt on local police force told me that Indiana permits do not come up when license is run and that he personally would rather not know you have a permit.  He does not like the idea that they do not have to take a training class.
I make it back to Oklahoma about once a year and have checked with local sheriffs dept and they don't have an issue honoring my NC permit, nor did they have issue with Indiana. 

[mechanic]

It always seems crazy to me that Pennsylvania honors my Ga. permit, but SC does not......?
 
Ben

[keith44]

I would really like to see a national CCDW, but I doubt you'd ever get all states to agree to reasonable requirements

[Old Syko]

I would really like to see a national CCDW, but I doubt you'd ever get all states to agree to reasonable requirements

Better yet Keith, since right to keep and bear is covered in the constitution there should be no need for licensing anywhere. This is basically what Indiana has tried to accomplish with a lifetime license to carry with no training requirements.  The lifetime license is merely a compromise to appease the left while causing as little inconvenience to the law abiding citizenry as possible.   

[SHOOTALL]

I would really like to see a national CCDW, but I doubt you'd ever get all states to agree to reasonable requirements

in reality they need not agree
like mirrage lic , drivers lic etc each state has some quriks as do CCW laws yet many states already allow others to tote in their state. If the federal govt. passed a law saying all states had to reconize permits for other states it would be done. Consider that some states require a motor vehicle be inspected twice a year where others at the time of sale or resale. These same vehicles travle thru. all states .

[keith44]

Excellent points, I guess what concerns me most is the "printing" that some states make a big deal of, while the general public does not seem to give a second look at the bulge under my shirt tail, if they notice at all.


Yes I like the lifetime option that Indiana has, and if offered to non-residence I would have one.  I work in Indiana, but live in Ky, and avoid Illinois like the plague 


A picture ID type CCW permit (like a drivers license) would be preferred over that pink piece of paper with a signature and description, or better still, like motorcycle, and CDL endorsements, just add a CCW endorsement to the drivers license.

[Old Syko]

A picture ID type CCW permit (like a drivers license) would be preferred over that pink piece of paper with a signature and description, or better still, like motorcycle, and CDL endorsements, just add a CCW endorsement to the drivers license.

Please think this through before endorsing such things.  If it is on your DL as an endorsement and you find yourself at a traffic stop someplace like the communist state of Illinois, you can rest assured yourself and everything you own will be searched.  Already if you go there with out of state plates and such a thing as an NRA sticker somewhere visible you will be detained at the very least, and possibly searched if the cop so desires.  Happens every day. 


Why on earth would anyone want to submit to a photo I.D. and yet again another source of government handling all your information? 


Why are so many so willing to give up?

[dougk]

I would really like to see a national CCDW, but I doubt you'd ever get all states to agree to reasonable requirements

Better yet Keith, since right to keep and bear is covered in the constitution there should be no need for licensing anywhere. This is basically what Indiana has tried to accomplish with a lifetime license to carry with no training requirements.  The lifetime license is merely a compromise to appease the left while causing as little inconvenience to the law abiding citizenry as possible.   

Sounds like the NRA needs to get the states to adopt the Drivers Lic is also the carry license.