Israel and Hamas going to it

[Hairy Chest]

Being a "Jew" is no more a race of people than a "cur" being a "Cocker Spaniel". There are black Jews, white Jews, American Jews, Russian Jews. You can be a "Jew" by being borne to a "Jewish mother", or simply converting to Judaism. There are however some "original JEWISH decendents", but Abraham (the first Hebrew) was not borne a Jew, but rather BECAME A JEW.
As far as Israel is concerned, Ha mas, and the rest of the Arab heathens may put some dents and holes in Israel, but the Arab will end up with much less than he started with, and ultimately will lose the fight. It has been tried before, and Israel WILL prevail. There will be no "mutal destruction, but there will be a lot fewer Arabs. Israel will loose some folks, but the Arab will lose everthing.
7,000 years of history has shown Israel as the "rightful owners" of that land, whether one chooses to believe recorded history or not, and own it they will, whether the United States has the good sense to support them or not.
I for one WILL support them in whatever way an old man can, and would be willing to do so to the death if the choice arose.

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   Ditto Dee!

"Ditto" because he said the Amen thing, the colonialists are the "rightful owners."  Great.  Now convince the world and then you have it.  But the world doesn't see it that way.  They see Israel as the biggest terrorist state.  Israel was created to make war and disrupt the ME.  How can there be peace when their is a state that only desires conflict with it's neighbors and expansion by alien invaders.   

[BBF]

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"Ditto" because he said the Amen thing, the colonialists are the "rightful owners."  Great.  Now convince the world and then you have it.  But the world doesn't see it that way.  They see Israel as the biggest terrorist state.  Israel was created to make war and disrupt the ME.  How can there be peace when their is a state that only desires conflict with it's neighbors and expansion by alien invaders.   

HC
 
There is no use. The Israel firsters and those that have fallen for the Chosen group can't do wrong mentality  will not see it if it was right in front of their nose. Soon there will be enough trouble on this part of the world and there will be little time to gnash teeth over the ME.

[Hairy Chest]

Jews lived comfortably in the Soviet Union until it's collapse.  Then they had to get out before occupied peoples got their hands on them for what role jews played in Communism.  They were elites in the Soviet empire and ran the secret police.  Now they are doing their shenanigans in so-called "Israel". 

[srussell]

im betting when the big push comes israel will come out with a lot more. and land. and most of the sand there will be turned to glass. them folks wont give up

[BBF]

Dunno about who comes out smelling like roses. I recall something like a small number from each of the tribes surviving.  I could be wrong, the wife tells me that often enough.

[Hairy Chest]

Dunno about who comes out smelling like roses. I recall something like a small number from each of the tribes surviving.  I could be wrong, the wife tells me that oftren enough.

The remnant certainly won't be coming from the existing regime.  They have laws on the books banning the teaching of Jesus and the Christian bible. 

[ironglow]

Dunno about who comes out smelling like roses. I recall something like a small number from each of the tribes surviving.  I could be wrong, the wife tells me that oftren enough.

The remnant certainly won't be coming from the existing regime.  They have laws on the books banning the teaching of Jesus and the Christian bible.

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Sure; 
Unlike the surrounding muslim states welcome Christianity with open arms.
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 Thursday, Nov 29 2012Christian pastor sentenced to death in Iran for refusing to renounce his  faith could be hanged 'at any time without warning'

• Youcef Nadarkhani, who converted from Islam,  faces death by hanging
• Critics say move is show of defiance over  Western sanctions
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  • • A Christian pastor who converted from Islam  is to be put to death for leaving Islam following the ruling of an Iranian  court, it was reported today.
  Youcef Nadarkhani, 34, was arrested more than  two years ago on charges of apostasy, and has now been sentenced to death by an  Iranian court for refusing to renounce his Christianity, according to the  pastor's legal team.
  The father-of-two had defied a request by the  Gilan provincial court, in Rasht, Iran, to repent, and now faces death by  hanging.Facing execution Youcef Nadarkhani with his wife and two  children in an undated photograph circulated by religious rights  organisationsMr Nadarkhani may be executed at any time  without warning, as death sentences in Iran can be carried out immediately or  dragged out for years
  
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[Dee]

Being a "Jew" is no more a race of people than a "cur" being a "Cocker Spaniel". There are black Jews, white Jews, American Jews, Russian Jews. You can be a "Jew" by being borne to a "Jewish mother", or simply converting to Judaism. There are however some "original JEWISH decendents", but Abraham (the first Hebrew) was not borne a Jew, but rather BECAME A JEW.
As far as Israel is concerned, Ha mas, and the rest of the Arab heathens may put some dents and holes in Israel, but the Arab will end up with much less than he started with, and ultimately will lose the fight. It has been tried before, and Israel WILL prevail. There will be no "mutal destruction, but there will be a lot fewer Arabs. Israel will loose some folks, but the Arab will lose everthing.
7,000 years of history has shown Israel as the "rightful owners" of that land, whether one chooses to believe recorded history or not, and own it they will, whether the United States has the good sense to support them or not.
I for one WILL support them in whatever way an old man can, and would be willing to do so to the death if the choice arose.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
   Ditto Dee!

"Ditto" because he said the Amen thing, the colonialists are the "rightful owners."  Great.  Now convince the world and then you have it.  But the world doesn't see it that way.  They see Israel as the biggest terrorist state.  Israel was created to make war and disrupt the ME.  How can there be peace when their is a state that only desires conflict with it's neighbors and expansion by alien invaders.   

What you, and a couple others here see, is "man's way of looking at things", plain, and simple. That you refer to the Israelis as colonialists, merely "enhances the fact" that you truly don't get what I said. But you will. Yourself, and others see this whole thing thru the eyes of "a natural man", and that too, is to be expected.
That there needs to be some "spiritual changes" in the Israeli people's beliefs is duly noted, and always has been so, and there will be "in due time". That fact has taken place more than once, and is recorded.
I'm not at all "put off" or offended by the remarks made toward Israel, or folks of my persuasion, referred to by the canadian as "Israel firsters". I am not looking for man's approval in this matter, because this "particular war", although is at times, is and will be, a "physical war", but this particular war is more of a "spiritual war". I have read the book, and know the outcome.
Now I will not debate this issue, or issues with anyone, as it will not change ANY ONE'S mind, but will only open up opportunities for insult, or categorization such as the canadian's remarks were, but will instead state my opinion, and let it ride.
This one post should address the quote I chose, and any that followed to this now new point.

[ironglow]

  You have it correct Dee, but some just don't "get it".  Before Abraham there were no Jews..no Arabs..just tribes; remenants.. left overs  when Nimrod's great tower and plan was obliterated at Babel. Truly it is a spiritual war..and will finally be settled by spiritual forces..
  I read the same book Dee, and as a blacksmith..I like to share this little poem..short, but bearing the absolute trruth:
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            The Anvil Of God's Word
Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith's door
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
When looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers worn with beating years of time.
 
"How many anvils have you had," said I,
"To wear and batter these hammers so?"
"Just one," said he; then with a twinkling eye,
"The anvil wears the hammers out, you know."
 
And so, I thought, the anvil of God's Word,
For ages, skeptics blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed - the hammers gone.
 
John Clifford
 

[Dee]

Correct ironglow,

Deuteronomy 20 verse 2. And it SHALL BE, when ye are come nigh unto battle, that the priest  shall approach and speak unto the people, Verse 3. And shall say unto them, HEAR, O ISRAEL, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them; Verse 4. For the Lord YOUR God, is He that goeth with you, TO FIGHT FOR YOU AGAINST YOUR ENEMIES, TO SAVE YOU.

The next war will last longer than the 1967 war, but the lessons learned will be harsher for the Arab, and the world.