Author Topic: Israel and Hamas going to it (Read 1823 times)

wganz · « **on:** November 15, 2012, 08:44:13 AM »

The head of Hamas, well, doesn't have a head right now.

Hamas fires 200 rockets into Israel.
IDF calling up reserves.
Egypt's PM is going to Gaza.
Egypt's Moslem Brotherhood calls Israel 'project of the devil'.

It doesn't look good.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #1 on:** November 15, 2012, 01:34:02 PM »

Honestly, I do believe this is going to trigger WWIII. The conditions are just right for it...

Anna · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2012, 01:39:12 PM »

It may cause something far worse than we could ever imagine.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2012, 02:02:55 PM »

Quote from: Anna on November 15, 2012, 01:39:12 PM

It may cause something far worse than we could ever imagine.

absolutely, if enough muslim countries jump on Israel, and they think they'll be beaten, they just might roll out the nukes. they cannot afford to lose a war being a tiny speck on the topography of the middle east.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #4 on:** November 16, 2012, 02:10:44 AM »

Bugeye, That is pretty much my line of though as well... Not to mention that history always shows that whenever enough countries are having problems and things need to be "reset" there is always a huge war. I pray that this isnt the case but we are about due for another "big one". As Albert Einstien said..."I have no idea what weapons will be used to fight WW3, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones." $:-\$

Anna · « **Reply #5 on:** November 16, 2012, 02:55:53 PM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on November 16, 2012, 02:10:44 AM

Bugeye, That is pretty much my line of though as well... Not to mention that history always shows that whenever enough countries are having problems and things need to be "reset" there is always a huge war. I pray that this isnt the case but we are about due for another "big one". As Albert Einstien said..."I have no idea what weapons will be used to fight WW3, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones." $:-\$

I have become death, the destroyer of worlds. Oppenheimer. After the successful test of the first atomic bomb outside of Corona NM.
Originally from Dante's Inferno .

Hairy Chest · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2012, 07:27:18 AM »

The West Bank has no Hamas but there is still conflict. How come? Because there is still occupation and stealing of other people's land. You steal somebody else's land and they won't like you.

ironglow · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2012, 07:33:55 AM »

Quote from: Hairy Chest on November 17, 2012, 07:27:18 AM

The West Bank has no Hamas but there is still conflict. How come? Because there is still occupation and stealing of other people's land. You steal somebody else's land and they won't like you.

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So why do the "invented people" want to steal Israel's land?

Hairy Chest · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2012, 08:02:22 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on November 17, 2012, 07:33:55 AM

Quote from: Hairy Chest on November 17, 2012, 07:27:18 AM
The West Bank has no Hamas but there is still conflict. How come? Because there is still occupation and stealing of other people's land. You steal somebody else's land and they won't like you.
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So why do the "invented people" want to steal Israel's land?

Quit self deceiving yourself. Jews have very little to do with the Middle East. These "people" who rule Israel came from Eastern Europe and Soviet Union. They are nothing more than colonial invaders, a concept Anglo Americans got over with in the middle of the last century. I can't believe the world still tolerates this racism and apartheid.

Anna · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2012, 08:47:26 AM »

Where they came from has nothing to do with it, they are a pure race that descended from ancestors
that were given that region by God himself. If anything they took back what was theirs in the first place, and not the other way around. So what if they wish to control their own borders, something we
should take a lesson from. Even at her strongest, Israel has not invaded any of her neighbors other than during a war they did not start. Then she left, when she would have had no problems in staying
there and calling it her own. All this is well documented even back as far as 3000 years ago.
Religion or not, Israel homesteaded this land back when it was only filled with savages,robbers,and wild beast. She has every right to defend her home as she sees fit.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2012, 09:04:44 AM »

as long as there are people there will be battles

some people , say muslims, are more prone to fight for ....what ever
poor are likely to steel ...making killing them a good thing
democrats just want to vote to steal other peoples money

pick a side and kill the rest....ther is no right or wrong
just winners and the dead

Anna · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2012, 09:20:00 AM »

But in this case it could easily become. A mutually assured destruction.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2012, 09:25:37 AM »

it could escalate to that
makes you wander about the timing
is iran about to finish building a nuke
is it related to the events on 9/11/2012
is egypt about to erupt
do they feel they now have a friend in the white house
was 9/11/2012 a test of that friendship

is it all of the above

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2012, 03:11:02 PM »

Israel won't die. Jews are God's chosen. The U.S. has no guarantee. Israel does. Politics and religion. Which do you follow more closely?
I don't think the current conflict Israel has with either Hamas or Iran will trigger the next big war. This one will pass with Israel still in existence, then they will deal with Iran. Soon.
I don't mean to say the end is not near. It may be upon us now, but probably not. The world stage is set, but I'm not sure the Christians of the world will be here to see Israel in its final conflict and victory.
The sad thing is that the U.S. (although they say they will stand with Israel) will weasel out if Obama is still in charge. Do you see that? If we don't protect God's chosen, where are we in the end?
A tv program just tonight showed a clip of Reagan (as president) mentioning Lord Jesus. Good grief. What if Obama said that? For that matter, what if any American politician or government authority made reference to Jesus? Think about that. That is how far the U.S. has gone from truth to politics since the 70's. So far in such a short time. If the U.S. completely dismisses Jesus from its decisions and actions, how long can we survive. I look for Him now. Even the Muslims profess their silly religion. Although they are doomed eternaly for their false beliefs, they at least have kept their beliefs alive in their government. But we do not, except as individuals. The U.S. will fail for an altogether different reason than the evil Muslim society. It's just that there is little left in America to respect. We don't even respect ourselves, as a nation. We favor gays and drugs and "anything goes" over God. It's worse than that, because God has become an unspeakable name among our leaders.

ironglow · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2012, 01:17:31 AM »

I hope it doesn't come to that, but Israel WILL NOT be overrun without breaking out their nukes. They used to operate on the "Masada formula"..if threatened with overrun , they would self-destruct themselves...as their ancestors did at Masada, some 20 centuries ago.
Now they have moved to the "Samson" model..if destruction threatens, they will take their enemies with them..as their judge Samson did at Gath about 30 centuries ago.
That being said, I seriously doubt anybody can wipe Israel out..if it comes near that..I believe divine intervention will occur..just brush up on the prophetic "Battle of Armageddon"..

Meanwhile, I truly hope that doesn't happen, but if the barbarians don't stop their aggressive actions, they may face a real spanking from a very sophisticated military..
Here is a very interesting video..as an old tanker let me tell you, I am with the Merkava 4 tank..say nothing about the Merkava 5, which is about ready.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOidHLZ5nzY&feature=watch-vrec

BTW: Merkava..means "chariot".. ... and Israel's war chariots are impressive indeed..

45-70.gov · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2012, 03:10:47 AM »

I hope it doesn't come to that, but Israel WILL NOT be overrun without breaking out their nukes. They used to operate on the "Masada formula"..if threatened with overrun , they would self-destruct themselves...as their ancestors did at Masada, some 20 centuries ago. Now they have moved to the "Samson" model..if destruction threatens, they will take their enemies with them..as their judge Samson did at Gath about 30 centuries ago. That being said, I seriously doubt anybody can wipe Israel out..if it comes near that..I believe divine intervention will occur..just brush up on the prophetic "Battle of Armageddon"..

not a good plan against some one that uses ''suicide'' bombers

ironglow · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2012, 03:50:59 AM »

From Hairy;
"The West Bank has no Hamas but there is still conflict. How come?"
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A very simple answer was given to that question, thousands of years ago:.............
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The angel of the Lord also said to her:

“You are now with child

and you will have a son.

You shall name him Ishmael,^a

for the Lord has heard of your misery.

He will be a wild donkey of a man;

his hand will be against everyone

and everyone’s hand against him,

and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. (Genesis 16:11 & 12)

ironglow · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2012, 04:13:09 AM »

Being a former tanker, I am a bit more interested than many..but did any of you guys look at this video ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOidHLZ5nzY&feature=watch-vrec
That Merkava tank is very impressive! Were I a young tanker of today, I would be delighted to have a Merkava as my "ship".. That is not to put the Abrams down; especially since the Abrams has proven itself so superior to almost any other tank.
The Merkava also has troop carrying capacity..great idea..carry your own infantry. If you stay with the video, you will be introduced to Israel's new, "all purpose" round for the tank. ..... Amazing!!!

All that, coupled with thr TROPHY system: http://www.defense-update.com/features/2010/june/israeli_aps_09062010.html and reactive armor ..which explodes back at any projo hitting the tank...makes for a formidable tank..

BBF · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2012, 08:33:39 AM »

Yep, that big back door for the infantry on that soon to be dead Chariot is made for anti tank munitions.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2012, 08:58:15 AM »

Quote from: Hairy Chest on November 17, 2012, 08:02:22 AM

Quit self deceiving yourself. Jews have very little to do with the Middle East. These "people" who rule Israel came from Eastern Europe and Soviet Union. They are nothing more than colonial invaders, a concept Anglo Americans got over with in the middle of the last century. I can't believe the world still tolerates this racism and apartheid.

the Bible addresses this very thing. it said they would be scattered all over the world but God would bring'em back.
http://www.bridgetothebible.com/12%20reasons/Reason%205.htm
guess what? it happened...

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2012, 09:52:44 AM »

Quote from: Anna on November 16, 2012, 02:55:53 PM

Quote from: Singleshotsam on November 16, 2012, 02:10:44 AM
Bugeye, That is pretty much my line of though as well... Not to mention that history always shows that whenever enough countries are having problems and things need to be "reset" there is always a huge war. I pray that this isnt the case but we are about due for another "big one". As Albert Einstien said..."I have no idea what weapons will be used to fight WW3, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones." $:-\$

I have become death, the r of worlds. Oppenheimer. After the successful test of the first atomic bomb outside of Corona NM.
Originally from Dante's Inferno .

?? - naw... more originally, chapter 11, verse 32 of the Bhagavad Gita

Anna · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2012, 01:57:34 PM »

It's been tossed around so many times its hard to find out where it originally came from.
But it is immortalized on a bronze plaque as what Oppenheimer said after the first test of the A bomb.
It's at the Robert Goddard museum right here in downtown Roswell.

ironglow · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2012, 01:37:10 AM »

Quote from: BBF on November 19, 2012, 08:33:39 AM

Yep, that big back door for the infantry on that soon to be dead Chariot is made for anti tank munitions.

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BBF;
Are you familiar with armor? If so, It appears you really misread this one.. if you're not familiar with armor, then I guess it is understandable.. You speak of that "big back door"..have you looked?
First off;
1) Carrying troops inside a tank makes them less vulnerable than they would be in an APC.
2) That "big back door" is smaller than the exposed area of many top tanks
3) Armor tactics are such that tanks cover each other..on request, a tank commander can "sweep off" his partner with a light machine gun
4) The Merkava has reactive armor which stands a good chance at defeating an RPG by itself
5) Almost immediately upon launch, any RPG would be destroyed by the unique "TROPHY" defense system.
6) The liklihood that any enemy with an RPG could get in position to hit that "small back door"and survive, is extremely unlikely.
7) Note that much of the rear of the Merkava is covered with sponson boxes, likely made of reactive armor which would pre-detonate anything which may get past TROPHY.
Below, see some of the great tanks of the world, compare.. and see if the Merkava seems more vulnerable..

ironglow · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2012, 01:44:45 AM »

Here's another view of what you call the "big back door, of the Merkava. In order for an RPG operator to hit that door he would have to be directly behind the tank...right where the tank just came from seconds ago. Any further away makes it even easier for TORCH to kill the RPG round.

Dee · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2012, 02:05:15 AM »

Being a "Jew" is no more a race of people than a "cur" being a "Cocker Spaniel". There are black Jews, white Jews, American Jews, Russian Jews. You can be a "Jew" by being borne to a "Jewish mother", or simply converting to Judaism. There are however some "original JEWISH decendents", but Abraham (the first Hebrew) was not borne a Jew, but rather BECAME A JEW.
As far as Israel is concerned, Ha mas, and the rest of the Arab heathens may put some dents and holes in Israel, but the Arab will end up with much less than he started with, and ultimately will lose the fight. It has been tried before, and Israel WILL prevail. There will be no "mutal destruction, but there will be a lot fewer Arabs. Israel will loose some folks, but the Arab will lose everthing.
7,000 years of history has shown Israel as the "rightful owners" of that land, whether one chooses to believe recorded history or not, and own it they will, whether the United States has the good sense to support them or not.
I for one WILL support them in whatever way an old man can, and would be willing to do so to the death if the choice arose.

ironglow · « **Reply #25 on:** November 20, 2012, 02:58:27 AM »

Quote from: Dee on November 20, 2012, 02:05:15 AM

Being a "Jew" is no more a race of people than a "cur" being a "Cocker Spaniel". There are black Jews, white Jews, American Jews, Russian Jews. You can be a "Jew" by being borne to a "Jewish mother", or simply converting to Judaism. There are however some "original JEWISH decendents", but Abraham (the first Hebrew) was not borne a Jew, but rather BECAME A JEW.
As far as Israel is concerned, Ha mas, and the rest of the Arab heathens may put some dents and holes in Israel, but the Arab will end up with much less than he started with, and ultimately will lose the fight. It has been tried before, and Israel WILL prevail. There will be no "mutal destruction, but there will be a lot fewer Arabs. Israel will loose some folks, but the Arab will lose everthing.
7,000 years of history has shown Israel as the "rightful owners" of that land, whether one chooses to believe recorded history or not, and own it they will, whether the United States has the good sense to support them or not.
I for one WILL support them in whatever way an old man can, and would be willing to do so to the death if the choice arose.

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Ditto Dee!

308Win · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2012, 09:44:58 AM »

Note the heat is off of Iran now,could all of this be a facade,giving Iran time to complet the BIG BOOM BOMB?
Just thinking that's all!!

Dee · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2012, 12:46:36 PM »

308, I believe that the move is on against Israel because the Arabs are confident that Obama will sit back and do NOTHING. He likes his drones and such but he is now a last term president. He will show us a side most do not see coming. That's my opinion, and I hope I'm wrong.

308Win · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2012, 09:04:13 AM »

Quote from: Dee on November 21, 2012, 12:46:36 PM

308, I believe that the move is on against Israel because the Arabs are confident that Obama will sit back and do NOTHING. He likes his drones and such but he is now a last term president. He will show us a side most do not see coming. That's my opinion, and I hope I'm wrong.

Yes Dee + 10 on that,the Arib World knows Obama is a spineless coward..

ironglow · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2012, 02:10:16 PM »

Dee and Ditto...I believe you both are "spot on"!
Iran has supplied G to G rockets to both two major terrorist entities... Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon, and they have observed about 8,000 rocket strikes in Israel over the last 2 years.
Meanwhile..everyone's attention diverted, Iran and their "Looney Tunes" bunch.... are working feverishly to build their bomb.

Now they have a fairly good idea how the "Iron Dome" defense works..and some of it's soft spots.. helpful when they want to launch "the bomb"..