I've shot probably over 10,000 Berrys like you described. I use either a near max load of 5.0grs 231 at 1.150 OAL or 6.0 grs Unique under them. Shoots as good as any jacketed bullets out there. Groups are under 1" at 25 yds from bags.- Baby Eagle, SIG, Hi Power, Beretta, all seem to like them. As long as the velocity is around 1200'ps or less they are a great plinker or if you need a finishing shot on a coyote.