I heard from slufoot.thank you slufoot. sounds like a good deal to me. just have to get through upcoming back surgery and we'll get this started. I been shooting front stuffers for about 35 yrs, mostly flinters as i do 18th century renacting.I always was turned off by inlines, till i started messing with handi guns.I've had an old huntsman for years, 58cal, i'ts handi for sure, just not real accurate. My 54 flint bear gun shoots circles around it. the smokeless powder thing is what intreages me. I plan on using sabots and cast bullets as I'm cheap. Anybody use .358 cast in 45,s ? I thinkmmp makes them. Anyway thanks to all for the information and congrates to all successful deer hunters and if you're not successful, remember; it's the hunting, notthe killing..