Author Topic: Any true 1 MOA out of the box AR's (Read 5470 times)

WayneS · « **on:** November 18, 2012, 10:31:35 AM »

Title says it, Are there any true 1 MOA out of the box AR's ?? I've been invited to go P.Dog hunting and thought about making it interesting by taking an AR, limit it's range to 300 yds. Don't want to take the time to do the go to school with a friend on building one. Thus the "out of the box" request.
If none are out there, I'll spend the winter getting schooled ect.,ect., ect.,

Thank you

Bflohunter · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2012, 10:46:43 AM »

For out of the box a colt match target series would do the trick. However just like any other caliber/gun/etc etc the ammo is just as important for hitting 1"MOA or sub. Good luck it sounds like fun

Swampman · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2012, 10:58:00 AM »

I'm pretty sure my Colt M4 would do MOA if it had a scope on it. It's very accurate.

WayneS · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2012, 11:26:31 AM »

Swamp Man,
What it the twist in your Colt ? I was thinking about using something in the 75-77 gn. range instead of 69 SMK's

Swampman · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2012, 11:44:03 AM »

1 in 7.....here's a quote from a test report on my rifle.......

"Jeff Hoffman, the honcho at Black Hills Ammo, recently sent me some of his military-contract 5.56mm Mk262 Mod 1 ammunition (77 grain OTM), claiming it was slightly more accurate than the 52 grain load — only in fast-twist barrels, of course. From this Colt carbine, the two loads were a statistical tie for accuracy, with three-shot groups hovering around ½ inch center-to-center at 100 yards. This mil-spec 16-inch carbine produced ½ MOA accuracy using a 4x optic, despite having to fight my way through a 7+ pound mil-spec trigger with a huge amount of gritty creep before the let off. With a match-grade trigger and sniper-grade 10x optics, this Colt carbine should approach ¼ MOA accuracy, rivaling my .223 bolt-action sniper rifle."

NYH1 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2012, 05:04:40 PM »

My friend has a Rock River Arms Varmint Rifle with the EOP (Elevated Optic Platform), 24" barrel and 1 in 12 twist. You can also get them with a 1 in 8 twist too. He's done some things to it to set it up as a serious varmint rifle. It shoots under 1/2" MOA. He hand loads for it. IIRC, he uses lighter 40 gr. to 45 gr. bullets. He go's out west prairie dog hunting and uses his AR instead of his model 700's. He likes it because he doesn't have to work the bolt and lose the dogs in his scope and because of it's fast follow up shots.

NYH1.

drdougrx · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2012, 03:21:13 AM »

My Bushy Nat'l match is easily 1MOA....1 in 9 twist and I shoot 68 or 69gr match bullets and Varget.

WayneS · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2012, 10:20:23 AM »

Quote from: drdougrx on November 19, 2012, 03:21:13 AM

My Bushy Nat'l match is easily 1MOA....1 in 9 twist and I shoot 68 or 69gr match bullets and Varget.

Drdougx,
What does your trigger break at ??,
Thank you all for your help. I've settled on that I want an AR with out the "flash suppressor" and a flat top with a rail. The Rock River "Predator Pursuit" comes pretty well equipped , just wish I knew what their "Match 2 stage trigger" broke at ??
Off to see what I can fins on the net that's available now
Again,
Thank you all

45-70.gov · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2012, 11:15:39 AM »

mine is usually one inch at 200yds

4th day out with it ..first day for the new scope...4X12 nikon monarck

shot 10 rounds at 200 METERS
covered 6 of them with the first joint of my thumb

S&B ammo fmj....was given to me in a zip lock bag......??who knows what it was

S&W from the performance center

cjclemens · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2012, 02:58:03 PM »

Most all are MOA rifles, if not very close to it. The key is getting one that has a good trigger in it. Stock AR triggers are mostly garbage. I have an otherwise bone stock Del-Ton 20" AR with a Timney trigger that shoots 3/4" groups at 100 yards with Wolf brand steel-case ammo. I can only imagine one of those fancy AR's with a heavy barrel and match trigger would do even better.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2012, 06:17:22 PM »

Quote from: cjclemens on November 19, 2012, 02:58:03 PM

Most all are MOA rifles, if not very close to it. The key is getting one that has a good trigger in it. Stock AR triggers are mostly garbage. I have an otherwise bone stock Del-Ton 20" AR with a Timney trigger that shoots 3/4" groups at 100 yards with Wolf brand steel-case ammo. I can only imagine one of those fancy AR's with a heavy barrel and match trigger would do even better.

My DPMS is guarenteed MOA I believe. The trigger however is an abomination. Make absolutely sure you buy one with a good trigger from the factory. Mine could have been had with a J-P (?) I believe. most will have some sort of upgrade available. Take advantage now, the one you remove at home will be useless and will have been paid for.

Chrome barrels will likely be a bit less accurate and unless you plan on heavy bullets the 1-9 twist should prove better with P-dog type bullets and Coyote bullets as well. It covers the middle ground between pure varmint and and the most heavy bullets. 55gr being the sweet spot the barrel is made for.

drdougrx · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2012, 07:52:06 AM »

Hey Wayne,

My Bushy has a Timney in it..set at 3lbs and its just fine. I also have a Bushy Varminter lower that has a match trigger on it...nicest trigger I've used to date and I've had more than a dozen!

Buckskin · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2012, 08:26:20 AM »

You will find that they are generally very accurate. My Colt and Remington are very close to true 1/2 MOA guns if not there. Colt is new and has a terrible creepy trigger that actually feels like it has grit in it, going to have to do something about that... Remington trigger is doable, but still a good 6lb or better pull.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2012, 08:54:27 AM »

I think if I were shooting p dogs at distance i would opt for a longer bbl. than 16 inch. for a few reasons. First a standard action works at less speed/pressure and may not cause the bolt and carrier to heat up as fast since the gas tube is a bit longer. It will add weight and may cause the gun to be a bit more stable. And bbl length is directly responsible for velosity , faster is a good thing. Free floaded hand guards seem more accurate as they don't influnce the bbl. harmonics . To be fair the shorter bbl sees the bullet exit faster and that could help with accuracy.
In reality any out of the box could shoot well. or not . Building a gun from parts is really simple and success is not hard to get . If you want a OFTB gun for long range P dogs look for a rifle length gas system, free floated bbl from 20 to 24 inches long I would use a A1 or A2 stock for use with high mag. optics as it is almost always more stable. than a 4-6 position stock. No matter the brand I would inspect the upper to lower fit and look for a real tight fit not the loose sloppy fit many have , note some will say a little play is acceptable , maybe so but it will always losen a bit so if you start with play it will only get worst. Yea they have accuweges whish put more pressure on the parts causing more problems later . Better to start as tight as possible on a target hunting gun.
That said I don't care for long guns that I hunt with if you don't either then look for a mid length gas system gun with a 16 - 18 inch bbl. as it will also be slower and cooler than a carbine length gas gun.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2012, 08:59:10 AM »

I would add if time allows , if you build you can add goodies like trigger , nickle carrier, after market stock, forearm ,pistol grip , back up sights etc. etc from the start and not waste $$$$$$.
I like the nickle boron carrier as it will clean easy and is slick enough to run almost dry. Both good things if shooting where the out side temp. is high.

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2012, 10:35:05 AM »

Not many can assemble an AR from parts that will function properly. It will have little resale value but the Colt will be worth about what you paid for it.

NYH1 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2012, 01:13:19 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 18, 2012, 10:58:00 AM

I'm pretty sure my Colt M4 would do MOA if it had a scope on it. It's very accurate.

Swampman, do you have a real M4, which model the R0929 or R0921?

NYH1.

Swampman · « **Reply #17 on:** November 20, 2012, 02:28:03 PM »

It's marked M4 by Colt. I'd say that makes it a real M4.

NYH1 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2012, 03:35:10 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 20, 2012, 02:28:03 PM

It's marked M4 by Colt. I'd say that makes it a real M4.

Negative, you have a LE6920 AR15A4 Carbine, not a M4. A REAL M4 is a 14.5" barrel, SELECT FIRE Carbine of which I explained in the other post!

Good day, NYH1!

Swampman · « **Reply #19 on:** November 21, 2012, 01:52:05 AM »

Your wrong and you know it.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #20 on:** November 21, 2012, 02:38:43 AM »

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/

Great gun huh? Take particular note of the "HK fix" for the M4.

Swampman · « **Reply #21 on:** November 21, 2012, 02:50:22 AM »

I love mine. The M-16/M4 has always been nothing but trouble for the military which if full of people that know nothing about firearms and many of whom can't even speak english. Buy some cheap knock off if that's what you want. The off brands will only give you more trouble. It's the 50 year old design that's the problem.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #22 on:** November 21, 2012, 03:51:21 AM »

The vast majority of the human race interested in guns will be pretty darn heartbroken to pick up an M-4 gery marketed by Colt to find it lacking a happy switch (that is if they were guilible enough to believe the crap you have posted). We'll leave the the fact a 14.5" barrel is not available to most people and those who are allowed must get the thing registered alone.

WayneS · « **Reply #23 on:** November 21, 2012, 07:15:44 AM »

And another search for information hi jacked in the usual "mine is bigger" dual.
Thanks all that posted usefull information

Swampman · « **Reply #24 on:** November 21, 2012, 08:26:21 AM »

Nobody said anything about a US Military M4. I said it's a Colt M4.....that's what Colt calls it.

WayneS · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2012, 03:15:06 AM »

Spanky,
THANK YOU and Semper fi

SD Handgunner · « **Reply #26 on:** November 22, 2012, 10:16:16 AM »

I have never had an AR that wasn't at least a MOA Shooter. In fact 3 of the 20" Bull Barrel AR's I have had would get right down close to 1/2 MOA. As has been stated one of the main things (at least for me) is a good trigger. I have grown quite fond of the JP Enterprises Adjustable Triggers with the JP Springs and JP Speed Hammer. Another must have on an accurate AR is a Free Float Tube. Obviously a good Optic is also a must to wring out the possible accuracy. The last item is good ammo.
Larry

SharonAnne · « **Reply #27 on:** November 25, 2012, 05:21:14 AM »

Swampy stated ".here's a quote from a test report on my rifle." NO, it is a report on a carbine owned by someone else. Just because someone else did it does NOT apply to your carbine.

SHOW ME

Swampman · « **Reply #28 on:** November 25, 2012, 05:44:55 AM »

Quote from: SD Handgunner on November 22, 2012, 10:16:16 AM

I have never had an AR that wasn't at least a MOA Shooter.
Larry

Me neither and I won't keep any kind of rifle that won't shoot better than MOA. Most of mine are much better.

KansasPaul · « **Reply #29 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:00:25 PM »

WayneS - while I am a Colt fan and I do own one, for what you are wanting to do with the rifle the RRA may be the way to go. For P-Dogs I would want a 20" or 22" inch barrel, a free float forearm, and 1/8 or 1/9 twist for the heavier bullets. The benefit of the RRA is that out of the box you get a 2-stage trigger and Wylde chamber. RRA advertizes their varmint rifles as having 3/4 MOA or better.

Paul