More evidence..voting stupidly CAN cost us our freedoms..

[ironglow]

   Alerted on pg 28 of my freshly delivered American Hunter, I discovered that Gov Moonbeam of Californicate (that's the liberal half of California)   has just signed a bill outlawing the hunting of bear and bobcats with dogs.
     http://www.sierrasun.com/article/20120929/NEWS/120929893
 
  Why did he do such a thing?  Was it for conservation reasons?  No, not likely..more likely he did it because more moonbeams like himself demanded it!
 http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2012/09/SB_1221_celebrity_endorsements_091812.html
 
   I wonder how long it will be when other dense voters understand what they did by re-electing our national moonbeam?

[BUGEYE]

this is the incrementalism that the liberals are so good at.  today it's dogs.  another year or two, they'll outlaw bear hunting,  later the bobcats, and on and on.
conservatives, for some reason, can't learn a lesson from them.
our friends mcwoodduck and cabin 4, will soon feel the pinch of fullblown communism.

[Shu]

I find it humourus when bear season is curtailed. Bears come out of the hills and eat garbage and pets in the cities. 3 years ago a black bear closed down the 210 freeway for a few hours.
People then complain-why can't the government do something about them? Short answer is hunting season puts enough pressure on them to keep them off the freeways and out of the cities. Not that many tags are filled anyway but "moonbeam" doesn't care he has a feel good style of leadership which really means I can't believe these suckers elected me again.

[Val]

Commiefornia is completely overwhelmed with dummycrats who live off the public trough. This includes welfare recipients and people who draw salaries from the numerous public funded jobs (includes government jobs). Commiefornia has 12% of the Nations population and over 30% of the Nations welfare recipients. So, of course, they vote for the socialists that continue to increase the public dole. For decades companies and taxpayers have been leaving the State and they are running out of tax paying people to pay the bills. Dummycrats all suffer from tunnel vision and have absolutely no idea what the effect of their stupid laws have on the State's economy. If it wasn't for my grand kids, I would be out of here.

[Awf Hand]

A good friend of mine who I'd call anything but "Liberal" opposes bear hounding.  He is an avid hunter and it it walks, crawls, swims or flies he's probably taken one.  It is his claim that the dogs evacuate deer from the area, run roughshod over everyone's property and generate unnecessary claims (paid by the state Nat. Resources Dept) when injured by the bear they persue.  He further stated he doesn't like to see a big game animal hunted "that way". 
 
I'm not a bear hunter, but is there validity to this view and the legislation it appears to have generated?

[BUGEYE]

A good friend of mine who I'd call anything but "Liberal" opposes bear hounding.  He is an avid hunter and it it walks, crawls, swims or flies he's probably taken one.  It is his claim that the dogs evacuate deer from the area, run roughshod over everyone's property and generate unnecessary claims (paid by the state Nat. Resources Dept) when injured by the bear they persue.  He further stated he doesn't like to see a big game animal hunted "that way". 
 
I'm not a bear hunter, but is there validity to this view and the legislation it appears to have generated?

I think in most cases the bear dog folks pick large blocks of public land so as not to trespass on private land.  but coon hunters do sometimes trespass and if they are respectful of fences, gates etc. the land owners are agreeable to it.  plus large predators need to be hunted and taught to fear humans.
and most coon hunters don't even kill the coon.

[SHOOTALL]

most dog hunting is not in the least destructive . There are a few slob clubs around though. I have hunted deer with dogs for 46 years and Wish I had dogs that were so good they could evacuate all the deer from an area , they would be worth their weight in gold. What really happens is the dogs get on a track and run from one to a few deer . I have watch deer standing with in 25 yards not move as other deer chased by dogs passed . Do injury and accidents happen ? yes they do the question is how many more would happen if the deer , bear or what ever were not hunted and controled . So is it better to have 25 car.deer accidents caused by deer or say one or two accidents casused by chased deer and maybe 10 more caused by deer ?
There is alot of passion each hunter has for his chosen way of hunting be it swing from a tree sniping deer or running them down with hounds and shooting them with buck shot. One thing is for sure if we don't stand together and protect each other there will be no hunting before long.
 
AND TO THE OP , stupid is what the ones trying to take freedon depend on .
 

[BUGEYE]

One thing is for sure if we don't stand together and protect each other there will be no hunting before long.

that's the truth.  I've had a guy at this site try to belittle me because of my choice of carry gun.
and the same goes for all the legal ways to hunt. the liberals will incrementalize us to death if we don't stand together.

[SHOOTALL]

people who carry a weapon or hunt both have strong feelings as to equipment and how we do things. We need to learn others do also !
and someone once said when dealing with people you are dealing with emotion not facts more often than not.

[lakota]

Good. Maybe the California bear population will grow large and strong and then maybe those bears will develop a taste for tofu fed liberals and then the bears will thin that herd out a little bit.

[ironglow]

...And now this from the obama supporters;
 
  http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

[williamlayton]

The whole of East Texas---this size being equlivent to several small staes--was devistated of deer population in the 1st half of this century due to dog hunting.
the deer were run out of the whole of the area and are just now being repopulated--some by repopulation efforts and some by natural assimulation.
folks this is an area that is a natural habitat for deer.
I am against hunting deer with dogs---they just run them rather than locate them--as opposed to hunting coons or squirrels, where the dogs locate the game.
Blessings

[Shu]

I have never hunted with dogs and don't mind those that do. Just as some use muzzle loaders, bows and handguns etc.  Hunters need to take responsibilty for their actions and educate those that can be.

[BUGEYE]

The whole of East Texas---this size being equlivent to several small staes--was devistated of deer population in the 1st half of this century due to dog hunting.
the deer were run out of the whole of the area and are just now being repopulated--some by repopulation efforts and some by natural assimulation.
folks this is an area that is a natural habitat for deer.
I am against hunting deer with dogs---they just run them rather than locate them--as opposed to hunting coons or squirrels, where the dogs locate the game.
Blessings

I would imagine that hide hunting did the damage.
people here in Ga dog hunt in certain areas and haven't hurt the herd.
however they could if they were hunting them for a living.  we need to stand together and welcome what people legally use.

[Dixie Dude]

I've always thought we should use incrementalism in reverse.  First outlaw late term or partial birth abortions.  Once people realise what is happening about the "human baby".  Then outlaw abortions after 5 months like they do in European countries.  85% of babies born after 5 months survive.  Then after the first trimester.  At least this will keep more babies alive.  Then allow for rape, incest, and if it endangers the mothers life.  That gets it off the birth control convenience thing.  Then maybe be can finally outlaw it completely. 
 
This is the way they have done it with gun control in various areas. 

[ironglow]

The whole of East Texas---this size being equlivent to several small staes--was devistated of deer population in the 1st half of this century due to dog hunting.
the deer were run out of the whole of the area and are just now being repopulated--some by repopulation efforts and some by natural assimulation.
folks this is an area that is a natural habitat for deer.
I am against hunting deer with dogs---they just run them rather than locate them--as opposed to hunting coons or squirrels, where the dogs locate the game.
Blessings

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  I never savored the idea of hunting deer with dogs, simply because a deer can be run to near death..and then left to possibly expire.  Unlike deer, but like coon & squirrels..a bear "trees up".. and the population can be guarded by permits issued.  Coon hunting is strong in East texas..and they still have plenty of them!
  I hunted coon for years..a great sport.  Not so many hunters out there now..the antis have cut the use of furs so much..that many feel it's not worth the time.  Now, every few years rabies or some other dreaded disease sweeps through the overpopulated coon crop.  The antis have done a brilliant stroke there.. trading some pain for animals for an abundance of pain..
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  Awf Hand says in part;
    " and generate unnecessary claims (paid by the state Nat. Resources Dept) when injured by the bear they persue.  He further stated he doesn't like to see a big game animal hunted "that way...
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  Where does this friend live that he can charge the state for injuries to his dog while hunting?  ..never heard of that!
  Then too, the fact that he doesn't like to see big game "hunted that way"..doesn't mean his opinion should be the end all..be all.. 
   I don't like the way turkeys are hunted where I live..but far be it from me to try to ruin the fun for those who hunt turkeys...