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Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« on: November 19, 2012, 11:31:18 AM »
Marine Corps forms squadron to fly the new next-generation strike fighter jet  Published November 19, 2012
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  •    Nov. 16, 2012: The first F-35B fighter jet attached to Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 arrives at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma in Yuma, Ariz. (AP)
  The Marine Corps is forming the first squadron of pilots to fly the next-generation strike fighter jet, months after lawmakers raised concern that there was a rush to end the testing of an aircraft hit with technical problems.
So far two veteran pilots of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing have been trained to fly the F-35B. They are becoming the first members of the Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 that will debut at a ceremony Tuesday at the Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, Ariz.
 
The first F-35B arrived Friday and 15 more are slated to arrive over the next year. The Defense Department has pumped a half a billion dollars into upgrading the facilities, hangars and runways at the base to make way for the next-generation fighter jet, officials said.
The pilots of the new squadron are expected to fly the aircraft by year's end.
The Marines are the first in the military taking the steps toward putting the planes in operation. The F-35B would replace Cold War-era aircraft such as the F/A-18 Hornet and AV-8B Harrier.
"It's a pretty big milestone that a lot of people are looking at and judging," said Marine Capt. Staci Reidinger, a spokeswoman at the Yuma base. "The lessons learned will be shared."
Tuesday's inauguration comes only months after leaders of the Senate Armed Services Committee suggested that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta rushed a decision to develop the Marine Corps version of the fighter jet.
 
In a letter sent in February to the Pentagon chief, Sens. Carl Levin, the committee chairman, and John McCain, the panel's top Republican, questioned whether the F-35B had met the criteria to warrant an end to its probation. The F-35B had been on a two-year probation because of "significant testing problems."
Levin, D-Mich., and McCain, R-Ariz., wrote that the program "has enjoyed some success over the last few months, after several years of having fallen short." But they said "more problems with the F-35B's structure and propulsion, potentially as serious as those that were originally identified a year ago, have been found. This is salient where the F-35B has completed only 20 percent of its developmental test plan to date. Your decision, therefore, appears at least premature."
 
Neither McCain nor Levin could be reached for comment on the squadron.
The developer of the aircraft, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., is building three versions of the F-35 -- one each for the Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps.
Schedule delays and cost overruns have dogged the F-35's development, making it the Pentagon's most expensive weapons program ever. Ten years in, the total F-35 program cost has jumped from $233 billion to an estimated $385 billion. Recent estimates suggest the entire program could exceed $1 trillion over 50 years.
 
Aviation safety consultant and retired Marine Corps Col. Pete Field, who served as the former director of the Naval Test Pilot School, said the Marine Corps' F-35B is the most complicated of the three versions because it can take off from shorter runways and land vertically. One of the problems earlier on in its development was it was heavier than predicted, Field said.
It was lightened substantially, but Field said that could also mean structural problems in the long run.
 
"It remains to be seen if the F-35B has a long life and is structurally sound," said Field, who was the chief test pilot for the F/A-18. "We won't know for two to three years after it's been in operation. If nothing crops up, perhaps the engineers have done their best work."
The F-35B stands out among military aircraft because it can be launched from small Navy ships and land in confined areas, allowing it to support ground troops on smaller battlefields. Its sophisticated stealth capabilities also means, like the Air Force's F-22, the aircraft can fly into enemy territory without being detected by radar.
 
"All we can do is hope that they have solved all the program problems and that they've got a pretty good airplane," Field said.
Former Marine and Rep. Duncan Hunter, Jr., R-Calif., who is the only member of Congress to have served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, said he trusts the decision of Panetta and Marine Corps leaders.
 
"The 35B is going to take the Marine Corps to a new level of sophisticated flight technology," Hunter told The Associated Press. "The ability for the F-35B to take off and land in an extremely constrained lading zone, that's huge for what it brings to the table. The Harrier was a great airplane but it was also limited. It doesn't have all the new technology. The F-35B has that."

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Re: Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2012, 12:03:16 PM »
The F-35 is a piece of crap.  The USAF has been flying them for some time.
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Re: Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2012, 01:45:55 PM »
The F35 is an amazing jet. The rumor is it can't go above 60,000 feet. Is the 60k mark really that important when you have a 10-1 advantage over every other aircraft in the world?

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2012, 02:58:46 PM »
No it really isn't amazing.  The new stuff built by China will smoke it.  The F-22 is amazing.  The F-15 is amazing.
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Re: Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2012, 04:01:35 AM »
The F 15 is outdated, the F22 and F 35 are both multi purpose platforms. The new stuff the Chinese are building is still 10 years behind both the F22 and F35. The F35 is here to stay for awhile. Perhaps the F18 Super Hornet is a bit more amazing than the F15.
 
Anyway the Marine Corps will fly the heck out of it and use it to its full capability. I am sure no one will accuse the Marines of not doing their share in any war effort.
 
 

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Re: Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2012, 04:19:43 AM »
The Marines and the rest of us are stuck with a budget platform.  We will have to do the best we can with what we've got.  Let's pray we never go to with a country that has a real air force.  That would be China.
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Re: Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2012, 05:36:10 AM »
the F 35B or 5th gen fighter seems like a good match for the Marines . the other choice would be to give them F22's .
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Re: Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2012, 09:37:44 AM »
The fact is neither the Marines nor the Navy needs planes.
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Re: Marines form new squadron to fly next gen strike fighter jet.
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2012, 09:45:26 AM »
It seems the vertical take off planes the marines have are starting to wear out and a replacement that can be based close to support them that can lift off the small ships that carry marines and the forward landing areas that are often little more than a cleared field is what the go to fast response troops need and the marines are the ones most often called on to do such work.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2012, 12:18:44 PM »
Vertical take off planes would free up room on the flight deck allowing for more planes in a limited amount of space. Aicraft carriers simply can project power where others cannot.
America will not be fighting China simply becuase China is holding 3 trillion is U.S. debt. Going to war would prevent from collecting that.(the borrower is subject to the lender).
 
Those wasteful carriers also can provide emergency power to land during disasters and provide search and rescue operations. Not to mention the surgical suites.
 
Does any of our armed forces need new jets? I don't know.
At least no one as told the Navy and Marine Corp to step up and carry their share of the load.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2012, 12:35:09 PM »
We need new planes bad, we just didn't need the F-35.  We are hamstrung by our debt and so we are stuck with second or third rate junk.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2012, 03:38:36 AM »
Why the need for new planes?
China is more of an economic threat. China's plan is global domination of the economic markets. The philosophy is winning a war without firing a bullet. Look at the history of China, invaded but never conquered. They simply absorb the invaders into their population.
I don't believe for a second China wants to be our friends, but they do want to control us. It is better for your opponet to surrender without going to war. Tzun Tzu's Art of War is still studied today.
 
What nation really has a standing military that challenges the U.S. ?

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2012, 04:04:14 AM »
We need new planes bad, we just didn't need the F-35.  We are hamstrung by our debt and so we are stuck with second or third rate junk.

Kinda like the M4 carbine? Swap out the engines, flight control systems, weapons, airframes, ...........and you have the basis for a good fighter? ;)
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2012, 08:22:27 AM »
No, buy the F-22 and let the USAF fly them.  No second or third rate stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2012, 12:20:22 PM »
The F35 still has a 10 -1 advantage over the current world planes. This was said at a conference by an Airforce pilot who was F22 and F35 qualified. He didnot seem to think it was junk, of course a week before he had waxed several Navy F18s in mock dog fights. I am just wondering how this guy did it in a second or third rate flying pile of junk.

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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2012, 01:33:27 PM »
Because the F-18 is an antique that always was inferior to the F-15.  The F-22 can shoot down seven F-15s without them even seeing it.  All any of them have to do is reach 50,000 feet and the F-35 can't get them.  It's an export plane designed to be sold to third world countries.
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2012, 02:45:49 PM »
No, buy the F-22 and let the USAF fly them.  No second or third rate stuff.

Might be nice, if the F-22 had STOVL capabilities, which it doesn't. And the Airforce isn't used to that anyway....and I guess they have breathing problems in that POS the F-22. Nothing quite like running out of breathable air when yer in combat, huh?
 
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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2012, 02:51:31 PM »
Wow, an AMRAAM missile can't catch those jets or go above 50,000 feet? What is sold to other countries and what is kept is two entirely different things.
 
F18 Super Hornet is not an antique, the  F18 A-C are antiques. Since most F18s these days are the Super Hornet ,models A-C are pretty used up by todays standards. By the way how old is the F15 getting to be?
 
 
 
 

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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2012, 03:52:19 PM »
Everything pales in comparison to the F-22.  Because we are broke we had to settle for cheap export model.  As I said let's hope we never have to fight a country with a real air force.
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2012, 04:40:11 PM »
By the way how old is the F15 getting to be?

The F-15 made it's maiden flight in 1972. The current version, the F-15E, is currently still being produced.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2012, 01:44:28 AM »
There are alot of great planes out there. Economic times are tough all over. What nation with a standing military really threatens the U.S.?
 
The F18 made it debut a decade later, than the F15 but it is antiquted?  I have no argument against the F22 other than its oxygen system malfunctions. There have been a few deaths related to it.
I would rather have our folks fly something they can get to the engagement and use those weapons instead of dying on the way.
 
The future of warfare does not seem to be standing armies slugging it out, it is more urban with precision guided munitions. Alot of times I think we need more than just one type of plane to fullfil our needs. Getting funding for them is another problem.