225 Win case forming

[TNBilly]

I'd been thinking again......  Have a little Handi in 223 that I've been thinking about reaming to 225 Win, both for the increased performance and for the face it's a rimmed case and should provide better reliability.  Had a second thought... usually a bad idea.... I'd try forming cases from my good supply of 30/30 brass.  30/30 is the parent case btw.  I tried taking down the neck in 3 stages and was for the most part successful in getting the neck resized.  However in bringing the 225  die down when I get within about 1/8 inch of the shoulder it just collapses the whole of the shoulder down into the case.  I've had decent luck resizing the 308 and 30-06 family of cases but unless the 30-30 case just isn't strong enough to resize down this far I'm stumped what I can do different here.  Sure would save a lot of money for me if I could.   Oh.... also had the thought to anneal the neck with the thought it'd make this easier.....  result was it made the shoulder as well a little softer and collapsed all the easier!  Thoughts and help much appreciated!


Ron

[cwlongshot]

Morning Ron,

First off, the 30WCF is not the parent case for the 225 Winny. The case your making will resemble a wildcat IIRC the 25 Super.

The base dia for these cases is the same and length close but all similarities end there.

The 30/30 has a larger and thicker rim. The 225 is like the 308/30/06 @ .473 while the 30/30 is .506 like the 307/356 and 7/30 waters. Plus the 30/30 is a rimmed case while the 225 is semi rimmed.

As for the collapsing necks. Are you anealling them? Also cases that are work hardened can be hard to form. Anealling helps as would new brass.  Also I like imperial sizing wax for this process. Be carful with lube on the shoulder. I have also used and like mica for the neck works good and can be applied directly.

CW

[necchi]

I've been tossing the same idea around for awhile now, but my candidate barrel is a 1-9 twist fluted bull and the biggest benifit of the 225win will be with bullets in the 50-55grn range and the 1-9 just won't do that well.
(just my ideas)
 
cw is right, there are some differences primarily in the base but the 225 does have a longer shoulder.
The last sentance here should be taken tounge in cheek when the guy says "improved";
http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd225winchester.jpg
compared to,
http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd3030winchester.jpg

[jhalcott]

http://macsreloading.com/inventory/rbrass.html
 UN fortunately, I use this  (.225 brass) to make 6.5 JDJ ammo. This site MAY have some new cases on hand. MIDWAY was where I got the last batch. The 225 is SUPPOSED to be stronger than the 30-30, that is why JDJ used it instead of the 30-30 .

[TNBilly]

I hadn't noticed the difference in rim thickness....  don't know what the breaking point is on too much trouble but that may well be it.

[shot1]

Not only does the 225 Win case have a different rim thickness than the 30-30 Win the 225 Win case is much thicker in the web area than the 30-30 Win. Winchester still makes 225 Win cases. I got my last ones from Midway also. I have a Contender pistol barrel 14" that is 6mm-225. It will push an 80 gr bullet a touch over 2800 fps and kills deer pretty well.

[swifty22]

T-bill, I concur w/all of the above. I have wanted a 219 Zipper for at least 45 years in an SS but the case forming, dies ect. are a little over he top and I would think a 225 Win. would be worse yet as I need a few hundred cases for gophers in MT. I have settled on the Swift since 1972 and have never been w/o one since then. If your 223 bbl. is long enough I would have it chambered to the Swift. However I would think the best thing to do is get a long Handi factory bbl. in 22-250 (yeah I know it's very boring but...) It would be much simpler, cheaper and you could form your own cases from any .473: base dia. cases around (except the BR's). which will be at least as much fun as working w/the 30 WCF's!-NOT. Anyway my 2-C Have fun- Muddy   

[powdersmoke]

     I have a gunsmith friend that I had ask to make me up an Encore barrel in 225 Win., but with a rim cut for 30-30 brass and was told no problem.  So now that's what I have. He had already made me a .219 Donaldson Wasp barrel and he had the form dies so I borrowed those and formed the .225 brass with no problem. I know there's a lot of work to making the brass when you can buy .225 brass, but it's something I like to do.