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Hussein responds to secession petitions.
« on: November 20, 2012, 09:43:30 AM »
 Obama Responds to Secession Petitions 11/20/12
Obama said that if there were at least 25,000 people to sign a petition online that Obama would personally address them. Seven states have enough signatures and Obama has yet to address them.
So Jimmy Kimmel put together this funny clip.

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2012, 10:26:21 AM »
Anyone fool enough to sign the petition is most likely fool enough to believe that a secession would be bloody to say the least. I has been tried before and the Mr. Lincoln that the uninformed so tout as a "great man" ::) , had them killed, and their property either siezed or burned. The present Lincoln (Obama) is no better than the first. Just give him an excuse.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 12:22:25 PM »
Then we are no longer free.


If I can't quit my job then I must be a slave. Same principle if the majority within a state wants secession.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2012, 12:37:04 PM »
We are better armed and more numerous than we were in the 1860s.  I'm game.....
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2012, 01:13:41 PM »
We are better armed and more numerous than we were in the 1860s.  I'm game.....

You wouldn't have a chance!
You forget who you would be going up against...THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!
And while the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT worries about hurting the peaceful terroists in another country....
The UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT  has no qualms when it comes to murdering and burning it's own UNITED STATES citizens = (Waco)

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2012, 02:01:14 PM »
We are better armed and more numerous than we were in the 1860s.  I'm game.....


It's not real wise to back any Texan into a corner then moch them. Southern and western factory's
are all new and highly sophisticated. Mineral production could easily be sustainable in the west.
The south has modern deep water ports that are open all year round. The south and the west have all
the heavy lift launch facility's , and over 80% of all space related industry's

Lincoln placed a blockade on the south, the new south could place one on the north this time by destroying any support from overseas from suborbital space. The south has the oil, the south has the ICBM silos. Texas has fort Hood the armored command. The south controls Fort Knox, Alaska has the
oil and the precious metals. Everything in the north is old and has been run down from years of    neglect, just look at Detroit and the steel mills in Penn. The south has all the high tech labs and the nuclear enrichment facility's. So tell me, who should be afraid of who ?  No one would want to destroy
all the things I listed above, so a ground war is the norths only option. But with the south ? Why should they care if they distroy a bunch of city's in decay and ancient closed down factory's ?

So, Hussain. You offer us nothing we do not already have! Except your poor, starving and dependant population.Your education facility's are Stone Age in thier approach, you all but have put your medical
professionals into poverty. Who in their right mind is going to back you? The three stooges ?
You will lose the west coast to China before you even know its gone ! Your friends in Mexico will glow
in the dark as soon as they mount any offensive on our southern borders. Our bio labs will give you a case of the flu you will never forget. So once more tell me what you offer us ? Funny money with strings attached ? Keep it and go away we can go broke on our own without your help.











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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2012, 02:19:06 PM »
We are better armed and more numerous than we were in the 1860s.  I'm game.....

You wouldn't have a chance!
You forget who you would be going up against...THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!
And while the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT worries about hurting the peaceful terroists in another country....
The UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT  has no qualms when it comes to murdering and burning it's own UNITED STATES citizens = (Waco)

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2012, 02:35:13 PM »
I have been a Texan all my life (63 years). We also have over 60% of all defense contracts BUT! We would be no match for such things as drones, and outdated F16s. Signing such things as Secession Petitions may make one feel better, but sending such documents to D.C. does nothing but give an already arrogant out of control government a laundry list of malcontents to gather up ONE BY ONE. Most younger Texans are interested in sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Many don't pay their bills, or take care of their children, or even hunt. There are only pockets here and there of the "old Texas".
If one came to my part of Texas one would not find any statures of Abraham Lincoln, as the Sons & Daughters of the Confederacy are alive and well here, and having been a part of the "Old South" our history also speaks of RECONSTRUCTION. There is an 80 foot statue of a Confederate Soldier on our Court House Lawn, and I am astonished no one has demanded it be removed. Younger folks here did not get the REAL EDUCATION on the history of that time period as it has been watered down, or deleted entirely from Texas History. Being a Texan to most of them (the younger crowd) is not what it once was, or will ever be again I think. They will wave the Texas Flag until someone tell them to put it down. Only a few would fight. The rest would call 911.
I live less than 7 miles from the home of Confederate Captain Bob Lee, and Lewis Peacock a Union sympathizer, where a feud was fought 40 years AFTER both men were killed here. The Divided States of America will never allow any state to secede, without paying a bloody cost.
Sam Houston once said: Texas can make it without the United States, but the United States cannot make it without Texas. They know that. We hold the keys to Gulf of Mexico and D.C. will not risk that.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2012, 02:36:28 PM »
We are better armed and more numerous than we were in the 1860s.  I'm game.....

You wouldn't have a chance!
You forget who you would be going up against...THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!
And while the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT worries about hurting the peaceful terroists in another country....
The UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT  has no qualms when it comes to murdering and burning it's own UNITED STATES citizens = (Waco)

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Well Swampy. Another one of those rare occasions when we agree.
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Re: Hussein responds to secession petitions.
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2012, 02:43:21 PM »
We are better armed and more numerous than we were in the 1860s.  I'm game.....

You wouldn't have a chance!
You forget who you would be going up against...THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!
And while the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT worries about hurting the peaceful terroists in another country....
The UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT  has no qualms when it comes to murdering and burning it's own UNITED STATES citizens = (Waco)

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.


But swamp man, they are talking about only half of the US Government. Not some entire unified country. Their half is the half that will inherit all the debt, the stagnate and crumbling metropolitan
areas, the union corruption, and the starving masses that no longer have any food or clean water.
South ! Do it right this time and lay waist to them while they are still wet and stupid.
Further complicating their problems that they have brought upon themselves .
The US Government ? How about the Roman Empire ? Both republics that went socialist. Big boys fall very hard when they thought they were unstoppable .
Also , at that point I'm telling you. The North will also offer the world nothing it doesn't already have.
Except Obama, who is surely no Lincoln.
And no other country will come to his aid and bail out the north without saying. Fine but now we own
you, now move out of our house !
 
 

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2012, 02:55:22 PM »
Not sure why all those people put their name's on those petitions. Seem's like a hit list to me. I had thought about it and thought, hell, then they have me. They know I'm upset and where I live. There is one thing in our favor. i don't think it matter's they the government can't use the military on us and I'm sure if government wanted to theey would. Question is would the military go along with it? I'd like to think they wouldn't!

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2012, 02:59:13 PM »
Anna, you are as smart as you are beautiful!!  Your posts have decisively made the points why the South is better than the North.   

As for Hussein, he will not respond to the petitions because I honestly think he wants to avoid the Curse of being a President from Illinois.

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2012, 03:48:57 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2012, 04:25:01 PM »
While it is true that the south controls much more then it did in the 1860s and yes, we are better armed the real question must be asked, where is that live free or die attitude?
I am afraid that there are not enough that would make a stand knowing that if they lost it would mean their life.
The younger generation just don't have that old time pride that we older ones still hold.
The pride that our forefathers fought and died for.
Those of us that understand what it means to be a real, free American will do their part but are there enough of us to get the job done?
The country has changed a lot in the past 150 years and most have grown soft living off the freebies from the government.
Would they stand and die with us I am not sure.
 
 
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2012, 05:02:54 PM »
No Longtom I doubt they could. Most could not even start a camp fire, clean a gun, are change a spark plug, or even know what a spark plug is. Most do not realize that a war with the government means NO CONVIENCES, such as, running water, a toilet, gas for cars, road maintenance, no WalMart, no grocery stores, no police, and on and on. Chaos in the streets, hunger, roving gangs, no law and order. You will spend most of your time protecting, or trying to protect, you family and possessions, and looking for food. Most need a cycle of Jenny Craig because most are "fat dumb & happy". It's nice to talk about I suppose, but not reality, or anywhere near in such an environment.
I for one hope the American voter comes to his or her senses, and changes Washington. I have worked all my life to get where I got, just to see it burned, blown up, or stolen. The old joke of "war is fun if you don't get shot" is just that. A joke.
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2012, 12:54:13 AM »
Anna, you are as smart as you are beautiful!!  Your posts have decisively made the points why the South is better than the North.   

As for Hussein, he will not respond to the petitions because I honestly think he wants to avoid the Curse of being a President from Illinois.

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Awwww, shucks ! But you guys do know a lot of the soldiers both north and south who died on the battlefield the last time this happened. Didn't want to be there either, it eventually came down to they
had no choise in the matter. Wars like this eventually consume everyone to the point they have got
to make a decision one way or the other. What I mean is what are you going to do when you wake up
one day and you didn't find the war,it found you ?

Hard choises then have to be made,your hungry,members of your family or friends lives are at stake. It may even be as simple as the soldiers just killed your dog or took everything you ever owned.
Or they come and want to kick you and your family out in the cold to use your house for themselves .
Oh those kids will fight alright, or they will die and it wouldn't take long for them to see that fact.
All wars are like this and always have been, it may have taken awhile but even the Jews under Nazi
Germany eventually woke up and started fighting back. Look at the Warsaw Getto.

It's called delayed psychological involvement, and there will be only two choises at that time for anyone to accept. And that will be which side are you going to fight for or become just another  faceless refugee who became a casualty. Wanna bet deep into the war that the north becomes just
as parinoid of its own forces as the old Soviet Union did during WW2 ? Where the red army had machine guns set up behind thier attacking troops to kill anyone who didn't fight. Watch Enemy at the
gates if you need a lesson in this. But in all reality it may not be just the north who would be doing
this also. About the only army in history who didn't have its share of reluctant combatants was the
Spartans of the old 300 fame. But they were mad dogs who were brainwashed from birth.





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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2012, 01:15:22 AM »
I'm telling you, these books portry a very clear vision of what this could become.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/slideshow/2012/11/20/game-over-10-renditions-our-post-apocalyptic-world/?intcmp=features#slide=6
If you read between the lines of what this author is attempting to say it already has. Where the liberating
Rebels turn out to be just as bad as the defeated government the people rise up to destroy.
[Both sides fighting a very bloody ground war where the nukes from both sides have to sit this one out.
House to house, no surrender or quarter is given or expected on both sides.  So you get the impression that
a civil war like this and what we are talking about here makes our other one look like a cake walk.
Hospitals caring for the wounded are targeted and fire bombed. Collateral damage is not a word ever used
because everyone is the enemy. Refugees are cut down in the steets to only clear a path to armed
enemy combatants.  And if you think land mines are bad,you haven't seen anything yet compared to the trap infested city's[/size] these Rebels encounter as they invade a city owned by the enemy.[/size]Sure the technology is advanced, but death even today comes in many forms in a war like this.

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2012, 01:28:45 AM »
Well Anna, while I admire your courage to step up and say what you think, I will point out that the Jew has been fighting since Abraham ran Ishmael, and his mother Hagar out of camp for stirring up trouble. They are warriors from the very beginning. By necessity, not by choice, and have been for about 4,000 years.
America was founded on Christian principles as echoed by our Constitution and Bill of Rights which I defended vigorously for 20 years, as I watched American youth spiral downward into gangs, Godlessness, and self indulgence.
Now for that last statement some may reference me as "cynical" and "judgemental", but actually this is more of an observation rather than an opinion. Before what you speak of ever occurs, the lawlessness will occur just as it did at the beginning of the Uncivil War, during, and for decades AFTER. Folks whom talk of secession have seldom seen the killing, and suffering that goes with it. I have seen much killing, and suffering, and would just as soon America wake up at the voting booths rather than the killing fields.
We are more like Rome than any other historical event, in that we have grown fat, lazy, and self indulgent as a country. Most as I said will not fight, but instead call 911. I dealt on a daily basis with the human tendency of self preservation as taught the last 50 years, and it lacks commitment, as evidenced by our present government, and the very solutions talked about on these very forums which is to continue down the same path from voting to candidates.
No, Rome will most likely be our fate, as Nero fiddled while Rome burned, we "collectively" have become our own worst enemy. A few "ole codgers" such as myself will stand on my porch and say hell no, and will likely die there if it comes to it. A few youngster will organize and fight, but some will not be fighting for a cause other than their own.
Your reference to Germany should be an example of what cause Germans followed in both WWI and WWII.
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2012, 03:00:23 AM »
The South seceeds.
Rounds up all illegal aliens, and sends them north.
The north immediately has their hands full dealing with 20 + million who need all the handouts that they are used to.
The northern economy collapses ;D
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2012, 03:14:19 AM »
There really is no reason for any real revolution in this country; it would be so much easier to just clean out a relative handful of politicians.  The slugs that are supporters of the malignancy in our nation's capital are of little consequence and probably wouldn't even know what was happening until it was over.  I'm betting that most of the military would join right in.
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2012, 04:07:39 AM »
I don't see any Federal government attacks on the people if they chose to seccede. We are covered constitutionally for the move. Lincoln had an excuse and the fervor of the anti slavery movement to help his cause. Obama is the slavery movement. Who would Obama get to fight this battle. People are far more educated and the first Civil war was an American disgrace that most would rather not repeat. I'm not saying that there would not be some violence just that it would not be like the Civil war was.
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2012, 10:45:24 AM »
I don't see any Federal government attacks on the people if they chose to seccede. We are covered constitutionally for the move. Lincoln had an excuse and the fervor of the anti slavery movement to help his cause. Obama is the slavery movement. Who would Obama get to fight this battle. People are far more educated and the first Civil war was an American disgrace that most would rather not repeat. I'm not saying that there would not be some violence just that it would not be like the Civil war was.

"Obama is the slavery movement."

Very well said. 

I agree with much of the rest of what you wrote.  I don't think secession would be as bloody as in the 1860's.  If there was enough support for it that the state legislature voted for it and the governor signed it, that would create a huge crisis of confidence for the Fed Gov.    I think we're looking at a break up of the USA, much like that of the USSR.  There will be a power vacuum and it will be filled by the states. 

The great thing about an independent Texas is that it could implement its own immigration policies and immediately start round ups of Mexicans for shipment back to where they belong.  Purging society of deadweight would  save billions in public welfare, unnecessary public schools  excess crime and would open up jobs to Americans who would work on the books and who would pay taxes unlike the illegal aliens who work for tax free cash off the books and then get free health care, etc., as the expense of  productive law abiding Americans.

A Mexican-free state with the size and resources and freedom of Texas would be a beacon for freedom loving white Americans who would jump at the chance to live in a parasite free community like we had before the LBJ Great Society.  No affirmative action.  No "Chicano Studies."  No "Black Studies."    De-funding the "Liberal arts", anti-American, anti-White  curricula in tax payer funded schools and universities would save billions.  You could have real education instead of  white hating racist propaganda and recruiting centers for the unfit, the misbegotten and the dysfunctional whose only purpose is hating us and working to destroy us.   

 Groups of  productive  American refugees would flee  crime infested, minority controlled  areas  and rush to a free  and independent state  where they could be part of a real community once again and not have to worry about being murdered by black flash mobs or Mexican gang bangers shooting each other over turf wars.   One example of likely new residents  would be Medical Doctors  and other health care professionals  driven out of the medical  profession by Obamacare.   I know people, myself included, who would take a pay cut and endure a lesser standard of living just to be around decent people once again.  Imagine living in a community where you would hear church bells instead of gun shots from  turf wars between black and Mexican gangbangers?   

Texas could issue its own currency and free us from the tyranny of the Federal Reserve  debt based notes.  The possibilities  of a free society that weeded out the parasites in favor of the producers are  mind boggling.

Texas has enough of a technical basis and an aerospace tradition that it could conceivably its own space program or at least participate jointly with other states that did.   

Just thinking and writing about the possibilities is exhilarating.  America is too big to be saved, at least for the foreseeable future.  Maybe in the distant future, the  forces of European civilization could regroup in free states like Texas and actually  pick up the pieces of other regions that will have collapsed into anarchy.  A campaign of reclamation and rejuvenation could be possible. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2012, 12:52:27 PM »
I don't see any Federal government attacks on the people if they chose to seccede. We are covered constitutionally for the move. Lincoln had an excuse and the fervor of the anti slavery movement to help his cause. Obama is the slavery movement. Who would Obama get to fight this battle. People are far more educated and the first Civil war was an American disgrace that most would rather not repeat. I'm not saying that there would not be some violence just that it would not be like the Civil war was.

"Obama is the slavery movement."

Very well said. 

I agree with much of the rest of what you wrote.  I don't think secession would be as bloody as in the 1860's.  If there was enough support for it that the state legislature voted for it and the governor signed it, that would create a huge crisis of confidence for the Fed Gov.    I think we're looking at a break up of the USA, much like that of the USSR.  There will be a power vacuum and it will be filled by the states. 

The great thing about an independent Texas is that it could implement its own immigration policies and immediately start round ups of Mexicans for shipment back to where they belong.  Purging society of deadweight would  save billions in public welfare, unnecessary public schools  excess crime and would open up jobs to Americans who would work on the books and who would pay taxes unlike the illegal aliens who work for tax free cash off the books and then get free health care, etc., as the expense of  productive law abiding Americans.

A Mexican-free state with the size and resources and freedom of Texas would be a beacon for freedom loving white Americans who would jump at the chance to live in a parasite free community like we had before the LBJ Great Society.  No affirmative action.  No "Chicano Studies."  No "Black Studies."    De-funding the "Liberal arts", anti-American, anti-White  curricula in tax payer funded schools and universities would save billions.  You could have real education instead of  white hating racist propaganda and recruiting centers for the unfit, the misbegotten and the dysfunctional whose only purpose is hating us and working to destroy us.   

 Groups of  productive  American refugees would flee  crime infested, minority controlled  areas  and rush to a free  and independent state  where they could be part of a real community once again and not have to worry about being murdered by black flash mobs or Mexican gang bangers shooting each other over turf wars.   One example of likely new residents  would be Medical Doctors  and other health care professionals  driven out of the medical  profession by Obamacare.   I know people, myself included, who would take a pay cut and endure a lesser standard of living just to be around decent people once again.  Imagine living in a community where you would hear church bells instead of gun shots from  turf wars between black and Mexican gangbangers?   

Texas could issue its own currency and free us from the tyranny of the Federal Reserve  debt based notes.  The possibilities  of a free society that weeded out the parasites in favor of the producers are  mind boggling.

Texas has enough of a technical basis and an aerospace tradition that it could conceivably its own space program or at least participate jointly with other states that did.   

Just thinking and writing about the possibilities is exhilarating.  America is too big to be saved, at least for the foreseeable future.  Maybe in the distant future, the  forces of European civilization could regroup in free states like Texas and actually  pick up the pieces of other regions that will have collapsed into anarchy.  A campaign of reclamation and rejuvenation could be possible.


+1, Texas actually owns and controls the oil fields here in southern NM. I seriously doubt that they would let them fall to the north. And our south is where Sandia and Los Alamos labs are located.
Not to mention white sands missile range, Holloman AFB, Cannon AFB, Fort Bliss in El Paso, the space port, URENCO nuclear enrichment, United Salt and Intrepid mines who mine a lot of potassium nitrate.
Westinghouse , Motorola, the military's VLR, the German AFB at Alamogordo, and that's just to list a very few. Texas would not sit on her hands and allow Mexico or someone else to control all of that right on her border. Also what a lot of people do not know, look at Alabama! Extremely high tech biological warfare labs that could end any civil war in only days.White sands has the delivery capibility
to put these horrors right in your back pocket.Kansas,Trident ICBM hardened silos that could target and destroy any submarines capabilitys by far.The new isotope production plant that is due to be built
near Hobbs NM very soon.WE in the south have NUKES, and little bugs that will make the Ebola Virus
look like the common cold. Now who exactly is afraid of who ? 

Don't mess with Texas.

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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2012, 02:29:52 PM »
I don't see any Federal government attacks on the people if they chose to seccede. We are covered constitutionally for the move. Lincoln had an excuse and the fervor of the anti slavery movement to help his cause. Obama is the slavery movement. Who would Obama get to fight this battle. People are far more educated and the first Civil war was an American disgrace that most would rather not repeat. I'm not saying that there would not be some violence just that it would not be like the Civil war was.

"Obama is the slavery movement."

Very well said. 

I agree with much of the rest of what you wrote.  I don't think secession would be as bloody as in the 1860's.  If there was enough support for it that the state legislature voted for it and the governor signed it, that would create a huge crisis of confidence for the Fed Gov.    I think we're looking at a break up of the USA, much like that of the USSR.  There will be a power vacuum and it will be filled by the states. 

The great thing about an independent Texas is that it could implement its own immigration policies and immediately start round ups of Mexicans for shipment back to where they belong.  Purging society of deadweight would  save billions in public welfare, unnecessary public schools  excess crime and would open up jobs to Americans who would work on the books and who would pay taxes unlike the illegal aliens who work for tax free cash off the books and then get free health care, etc., as the expense of  productive law abiding Americans.

A Mexican-free state with the size and resources and freedom of Texas would be a beacon for freedom loving white Americans who would jump at the chance to live in a parasite free community like we had before the LBJ Great Society.  No affirmative action.  No "Chicano Studies."  No "Black Studies."    De-funding the "Liberal arts", anti-American, anti-White  curricula in tax payer funded schools and universities would save billions.  You could have real education instead of  white hating racist propaganda and recruiting centers for the unfit, the misbegotten and the dysfunctional whose only purpose is hating us and working to destroy us.   

 Groups of  productive  American refugees would flee  crime infested, minority controlled  areas  and rush to a free  and independent state  where they could be part of a real community once again and not have to worry about being murdered by black flash mobs or Mexican gang bangers shooting each other over turf wars.   One example of likely new residents  would be Medical Doctors  and other health care professionals  driven out of the medical  profession by Obamacare.   I know people, myself included, who would take a pay cut and endure a lesser standard of living just to be around decent people once again.  Imagine living in a community where you would hear church bells instead of gun shots from  turf wars between black and Mexican gangbangers?   

Texas could issue its own currency and free us from the tyranny of the Federal Reserve  debt based notes.  The possibilities  of a free society that weeded out the parasites in favor of the producers are  mind boggling.

Texas has enough of a technical basis and an aerospace tradition that it could conceivably its own space program or at least participate jointly with other states that did.   

Just thinking and writing about the possibilities is exhilarating.  America is too big to be saved, at least for the foreseeable future.  Maybe in the distant future, the  forces of European civilization could regroup in free states like Texas and actually  pick up the pieces of other regions that will have collapsed into anarchy.  A campaign of reclamation and rejuvenation could be possible.


+1, Texas actually owns and controls the oil fields here in southern NM. I seriously doubt that they would let them fall to the north. And our south is where Sandia and Los Alamos labs are located.
Not to mention white sands missile range, Holloman AFB, Cannon AFB, Fort Bliss in El Paso, the space port, URENCO nuclear enrichment, United Salt and Intrepid mines who mine a lot of potassium nitrate.
Westinghouse , Motorola, the military's VLR, the German AFB at Alamogordo, and that's just to list a very few. Texas would not sit on her hands and allow Mexico or someone else to control all of that right on her border. Also what a lot of people do not know, look at Alabama! Extremely high tech biological warfare labs that could end any civil war in only days.White sands has the delivery capibility
to put these horrors right in your back pocket.Kansas,Trident ICBM hardened silos that could target and destroy any submarines capabilitys by far.The new isotope production plant that is due to be built
near Hobbs NM very soon.WE in the south have NUKES, and little bugs that will make the Ebola Virus
look like the common cold. Now who exactly is afraid of who ? 

Don't mess with Texas.

Wow. You're really thinking this thing through.  Every time I sit down to write something I end up with 2,500 words.   The possibilities are endless.  You have opened an issue I have only wondered about, to wit, the corporate assets located within Texas and adjacent state borders.

There are other questions too.  The USA is going broke and is over extended like other empires before it,  namely, the British Empire,  British India, the Hapsburg Empire,  the old Ottomann Empire Yugoslavia and the USSR. 

The British Empire was dissolved by accountants after Britain "won" WW2.  It destroyed Germany but was too broke to hold its own empire together.  For all of the blather about Gandhi and "non-violence", Gandhi was a minor annoyance to the British, who packed up and left India because they were bankrupted by WW2.  After British withdrawal, Muslim Pakistan split off after a year of horrible sectarian violence that took 1 million lives.

The Hapsburg Empire,  the  Ottoman Empire and the USSR  just collapsed.  New countries moved in to fill the power vacuum in the case of the Habsburghs and the Ottomans, but not with the USSR. Russia is struggling to reconstitute its shattered people after 70 years of Bolshevism. 

If the currency collapses in the US, as is increasingly likely, it would be a very drastic situation and lots of states could be looking for new arrangements.

Look at Texas and note that  5 land locked  states are stacked right on top of Texas just like poker chips.  All ethnically homogenious   :) with huge agricultural surpluses and shale oil reserves.  Go west from there and  you get Montana and Wyoming. West from there you get Idaho, Washington and Oregon.  Pacific ocean sea ports, lots of resources.   

Look at Louisiana and go due north and notice the 4 landlocked states stacked on top of Louisana like poker chips. Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, and Minnesota.  All bounded on the east by the mighty Mississippi River that ends up in the sea port of New Orleans, an important commercial hub. 

What could be a more natural alignment of states than  Texas, Louisana and the contiguous landlocked states up to the Canadian border and then west along the Canadian border to the Pacific.   

I like the idea of a confederation. Each state has its own schools, its own criminal codes, its own "civil rights laws"  :) (i.e. none), its own immigration laws, and its own constitution, legislatures, governors and state courts, state militia, national guard, state troopers, etc. During the Civil War states actually had their own military, many units of which were merged with the Union Army.


OMG!  Just think of it.  No more  "Black Studies."  No more  "Chicano studies."  No more  "Gay-LGBT-HIV" studies for us to fund!!!  No more bitching and complaining "civil rights" activists in their thousand dollar suits and limousines  and TV shows, telling us how evil we are.  We will have the legal ability to define "citizenhship" and it won't include them. As non-citizens, they can  be deported to their...ah.... ancestral homelands,  far from us where we will oppress them no more.

It's amazing how few taxes healthy, vibrant people need when they're not indentured  with with "mandates" to fund parasites and freaks, when  they don't have millions of third world parasites flooding across  the borders and when  they  don't have to be constantly at war  all over the world. Just writing about this is  incredibly  liberating. 

There would be minimal need for a "defense" budget because the new Confederation would be engaged in defense and not imperialistic wars for Israel or any other country that has manipulated the US like a puppet.   Note that most of the demographically troubled areas are the huge, unsustainable cities of the East and California. California will go its own way and burn itself out with bankruptcy and some kind of civil war.   Although having an Hispanic majority now, when the easy living runs out and the welfare and free healthcare stop flowing, they may decide living is better in their own country.  California is not sustainable.

Other states might fall like dominos into this alliance, namely the old Confederate states.  They're loaded with minorities, but most minorities are not into nation building, but rather into nation destroying.  When these 3d world invaders are no longer protected by the "civil rights" division of the federal DOJ, the demographic problem  will kind of sort itself out in the way these conflicts have been historically resolved.

This would be a powerful union, economically and demographically.  With a new gold based currency and no more Federal Reserve and Wall Street looting, this new confederacy could quickly  be the center of gravity for a re-constituted North America.  American has a problem with too many people sitting in the wagon and too few pulling it.  Separate the takers from the makers and this new country would be a powerhouse.  No foreign wars. No foreign empire. 
   
If this new confederation openly promulgated a foreign policy of friendship toward all the other nations of the world with  malice toward none, no  imperialist wars of aggression,  no more torturing people,  no more drones killing people, etc...   

 I BELIEVE THAT OTHER COUNTRIES, WEARY OF U.S.  WAR AND KILLING AND  LOOTING,   WOULD RUSH TO GRANT DIPLOMATIC RECOGNITION TO A NEWLY RECONSTITUTED, PEACE PROCLAIMING  WHITE AMERICAN NATION STATE.  AMERICA COULD ONCE AGAIN BE A BEACON OF LIGHT,  OF LIFE AND OF HOPE TO THE OTHER  PEOPLES OF THE WORLD AGAINST WHOM WE WILL  NO LONGER WAGE WAR!

What better incentive could there be for other countries to extend  diplomatic recognition to a new country? 

 RECOGNIZE OUR NEW COUNTRY, HELP US ACHIEVE OUR  FREEDOM  AND WE WILL HELP YOU ACHIEVE YOURS.

RECOGNIZE US AND WE WILL NEVER KILL YOU,   NEVER STEAL FROM YOU,  NEVER OPPRESS YOU,   NEVER BOMB YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN WITH DRONES AND  WE'LL NEVER   LOOT YOUR WEALTH.   



God it felt good to write that!
   
 

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Re: Hussein responds to secession petitions.
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2012, 05:07:20 PM »
An example of this that the south would possess is the MTX 123 virus which is an airborne blood
pathogen that could wipe out the entire east coast within just 78 hours.
The winds across this country move in a westerly direction, anything could be released anywhere in this country and it would be carried by the jet stream toward the east and north east.


Depending on the altitude it is released at that would dictate its descent upon its targeted areas.
Also, any MTX pathogen can be engineered to become either dormant or ineffective by mutation after its done its damage and has ended any war before it ever began. Severely disabling or crippling
the enemy's ability to respond. Worse than nukes, it is possible that it would take a nuke to cleanse
any infected or quarantined areas.


Movie theaters,office buildings,schools, even the handles on public doors would spread this like a wildfire. Not to mention confined spaces where like TB it would infect anyone breathing the air.
I could list some of the symptoms,but I don't think you would want to know. As you can see, this civil
war would make the first one look like child's play.It's called mutually assured destruction.
So lets not and just say we did how about that ? Because if we do this place may not be inhabitable
for a very long time.


 

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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2012, 05:31:11 PM »
These killers guys is why you no longer hear about things like the neutron bomb or using EMP.
Because these are far cheaper , easily used,and far more effective. My biggest concern with using
them is what if it doesn't become inert within the time allotted to it ? In fact it does mutate alright,
but becomes a cross species virus ? You hug your dog or cat and you die. Or they become what's called a lagging agent. That's were you show no symptoms so you go on with your daily routine feeling just fine, while infecting others around you at an astounding rate.

Then when it hits it really hits, killing hundreds of thousands within hours or minutes across the board.
That's called an extinction level event, and without wide scale testing of these monsters I don't believe
they really know what they would be capable of doing. But I am sure in a civil war we will see these
being used and most likely by the states that are trying break away. Why ? Because they are the ones who have them and by looking at any map they are downwind.
   

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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2012, 05:58:22 PM »
Easy little bobcats, we don't want to scare em.
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2012, 09:34:37 PM »
All this talk because the Republicans can't pick a winner. Why not pick a better candidate next time and save alot of trouble and possibly lives??? Get after your party to smarten up!!!!
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Re: Hussein responds to secession petitions.
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2012, 02:07:09 AM »
All this talk because the Republicans can't pick a winner. Why not pick a better candidate next time and save alot of trouble and possibly lives??? Get after your party to smarten up!!!!

But a war would be so much more fun, and glorious too! Just walk away from the Union. Just like that. They would wave bye, and that would be that. Yeah right! Like last time.
I agree Kimber, but the "obvious solution" is much more work than secession. With fixing the system you have to "at all times" practice what you say you believe. With secession you just walk away from your "perceived problems", and all is "suddenly well again".
Folks not familiar with history in more depth than the surface, don realize it takes years, and blood, to get a working system going. I mean John Wayne went to the Alamo, got killed, and Texas became a Republic in less than two hours. I think this all is more "day dreaming" than anything else. ;)
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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2012, 04:04:00 AM »
All this talk because the Republicans can't pick a winner. Why not pick a better candidate next time and save alot of trouble and possibly lives??? Get after your party to smarten up!!!!

But a war would be so much more fun, and glorious too! Just walk away from the Union. Just like that. They would wave bye, and that would be that. Yeah right! Like last time.
I agree Kimber, but the "obvious solution" is much more work than secession. With fixing the system you have to "at all times" practice what you say you believe. With secession you just walk away from your "perceived problems", and all is "suddenly well again".
Folks not familiar with history in more depth than the surface, don realize it takes years, and blood, to get a working system going. I mean John Wayne went to the Alamo, got killed, and Texas became a Republic in less than two hours. I think this all is more "day dreaming" than anything else. ;)


Thank God  our forefathers who seceded from the British Empire and founded the United States had a different view than so many modern Americans who are so comfortable with being relegated to livestock.

As a kid I used to spend time reviewing a World Atlas  that belonged to my parents.  That 1950's book of maps had things like French Equatorial Africa, French Indo China, the Belgian Congo, and, last but not least, the USSR.  All of those are now gone and have been swept into the dust bin of history.   The British Empire is gone. 

Most recently, the USSR simply collapsed, largely without violence. With the collapse of communism, Russia is now producing agricultural surpluses again and is able to feed its people.   All empires come to an end. All of them and the current  American empire, based on conquest and theft, torture and looting, will come to an end too. The end of this empire is the solution.

The system can't be "fixed."  It can only be dissolved.  If you think voting will solve anything, I would point out Prop. 187 in California in 1994, when 60% of California voters said we don't want to be taxed to provide benefits for illegal aliens who have no right to be here.  We don't want to be forced to pay tribute to these  blood suckers.  The rulers of this country, through the Federal court, under the guise of "civil rights", overturned this election and said  to us that YOU CANNOT DENY THESE INVADERS THE TRIBUTE THAT IS THEIRS BY RIGHT OF CONQUEST.   Americans can be stripped of their pensions, homes, jobs, healthcare, etc., BUT NON-WHITE MINORITIES WHO CAME HERE ILLEGALLY CANNOT BE DENIED ANYTHING.    White  Americans can be reduced to slavery, but our non-white third world conquerors cannot be denied the product of our labor, at least until they dispossess us and exterminate us.  Once we're dead they can loot us no more. 

You may have noticed  that "minorities" are now gloating about how whites are no longer in the majority.  They openly advocate our dispossession and eradication.  (From whom will they get their welfare when the people who produce the wealth are gone?) 

Last week a Federal Court in Michigan overturned an election in that state in which voters voted to end race based affirmative action, i.e. racial discrimination against white people.  The federal courts said, Screw You.  Whites cannot deny minorities anything and  white votes don't count.

The break up of the unsustainable  USA is coming.   The sooner the better, too.  The solution is not working harder to pay loot to our corrupt rulers, but to be prepared for the day the system collapses so that we can build on the  political ruins, emancipate our people and reclaim our country from the parasites who took it away from us.