Author Topic: Chapius double rifle (Read 1912 times)

pastorp · « **on:** November 27, 2012, 02:45:16 AM »

Greetings from the sunny south. Hope everyone is enjoying hunting & the holiday season.

I have always liked double rifles, but am not interested in cheep ones like the bikals. Or those made on shotgun frames.

What I really want is a Chapius in 30-30 caliber. With the upgraded wood. I believe that would be the perfect whitetail & hog gun for my use.

As always I will either need to save up or sell off some of my accumulation. Mumm.

in my "golden years" I've concluded that quality is better than quantity. Or simply put you can only shoot one at a time.

What you guys think?

45-70.gov · « **Reply #1 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:17:59 AM »

i am more into quantity......but will only stoop so low

a 30-30 double would be nice

that would be a custom one of a kind??

other calibers i would consider would be:
357MAX..........................load with .38spls make a nice fun double gun bunny stopper
405 winchester
35 remington

nothing as classic as a 30-30

pastorp · « **Reply #2 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:32:14 AM »

Hello there 45/70. If you looked in my safe you might think I was too.

but I've been trying to upgrade the last few years.

Regards,

AkMike1 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 27, 2012, 08:48:52 AM »

Chapius makes a fine rifle! I have one in 9.3X74R and like it a bunch! Very good quality for the price IMO.
If you're not still down in SE Ak and stateside then a 30-30 should be fine.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2012, 09:13:49 AM »

I would go Winchester 307 myself. still a rimmed cartrige ,can be loaded down to 30-30 vel. or up to 308 vel. Cases are thicker and stronger than 30-30 cases . why not add quality to your brass also.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #5 on:** November 27, 2012, 09:56:49 AM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on November 27, 2012, 03:17:59 AM

a 30-30 double would be nice

that would be a custom one of a kind??

No, Chapuis is making a DR on a smaller frame, and it's really nice, i've handled one...

There's nothing wrong with 30-30 brass as it is, i mean it's not pushing high pressures.

I loved the small DR, i just would prefer one chambered in 7x65R...

DM

45-70.gov · « **Reply #6 on:** November 27, 2012, 10:00:23 AM »

here you go
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Chapuis-Double-Rifle.cfm?gun_id=100299606

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #7 on:** November 27, 2012, 10:02:28 AM »

I shot alot of 30 30 in a TC Contender and it would seperate often enough to be a problem if not watched. We would bend a wire to scrape along the inside of the case looking for signs of a crack. They always started from the inside. But you surely know more than I as I only shot the gun a few thousand times .

Drilling Man · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2012, 10:45:47 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on November 27, 2012, 10:02:28 AM

I shot alot of 30 30 in a TC Contender and it would seperate often enough to be a problem if not watched. We would bend a wire to scrape along the inside of the case looking for signs of a crack. They always started from the inside. But you surely know more than I as I only shot the gun a few thousand times .

No need to get testie... Wouldn't it be better to get to the botton of the problem???

It's called "incipient case separations" and is caused by "improper reloading die adjustment!"

On rimmed cases, the die has to be adjusted to headspace on the shoulder, NOT on the rim. Adjusting the die out for proper headspace (on the case shoulder) takes care of ALL incipient ring problems!

The same thing happens with belted magnum cases, and folks blame it on the belt. The cure is the same as described above for rimmed cases.

I've shot thousands and thousands of both types of cases, reloaded even more, as i had an ammo mfg. license for many years. Over all those years i've had very FEW case separations and none with the 30-30 and that includes when shot in a TC Contender, lever actions and the Rem. 788.

DM

AkMike1 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2012, 07:55:35 PM »

Shootall, You don't want to vary the loads on a double rifle. It's regulated with 1 load and 1 load only the soldered tight. Keep in mind that these are not meant for high pressure rounds either as a general rule.
Yes there are some that you can set the regulation yourself and there are some that will handle higher pressure, but as a general rule 1 load and 1 only.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** November 28, 2012, 01:12:34 AM »

I understand both of ya'lls points I didn't say load to max. and I'm not being "testi . I do know how to reload and like most of us who shot IHMSA we use our cases as long as possible and the case would thin and split even if the dies were adjusted. Depending on brand it could be from 5 to more loadings. I also saw it on other cases as well.
The the case I noted was an improvement over the 30-30 in many ways . As for only one load I understand also but most of the double rifles are built to that load or can be regulated for elevation by working with the rear sight package ( the better ones I have been around have several sights at the rear for yardage. Often these sights can be regulated by fileing or replacing . And yes most are regulated to cross at 40 or so yards.
All of that still does not negate the fact that a 307 win is a more useful and stronger case than a 30-30 .

pastorp · « **Reply #11 on:** November 28, 2012, 02:20:01 AM »

So Shootall, are you saying to shoot 307s in a 30-30 chamber. You do realize Chapius does not chamber their gun in 307.
Guess I don't really get your point.

Regards,

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #12 on:** November 28, 2012, 02:47:54 AM »

No I was saying if aval. using the 307 chamber ( A 307 is a 308 case with a rim for all pratical purposes and the same dies are used )would offer more flexablity to the gun , that's all not bashing the 30-30 .
Buying either round across the counter wiull give you flat point or round nose bullets so to get the best out of either round you will need to reload or have a speicalty company load for you. For deer any standard bullet would work as they would for smaller hogs . but on say larget hogs or maybe a big buck it might be nice to use a 180 or even a 200 gr. bullet. The 307 would be better in that case.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #13 on:** November 28, 2012, 03:11:12 AM »

I stand by my origional post, die adjustment is the key to long brass life, but with 30-30 brass so cheap, in a hunting gun will you ware very much of it out??

A DR in NOT regulated to "cross" at any point. It's regulated to have the bbls shoot parallel to each other! A PROPERLY regulated DR will shoot two groups at any given range the same distance apart that the bbls are, at the muzzle.

That olde wives tail about crossing, has been repeated for eons, but that's NOT proper regulation and NOT how any major mfg. regulates a quality DR.

BTW, i shot IHMSA too, and did pretty good, back in the day...

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** November 28, 2012, 03:28:20 AM »

Quote from: Drilling Man on November 28, 2012, 03:11:12 AM

I stand by my origional post, die adjustment is the key to long brass life, but with 30-30 brass so cheap, in a hunting gun will you ware very much of it out??OK I didn't say you were wrong just that other things can also cause it. We often shot cases with split mouths for pratice . And no I don't recomend it.

A DR in NOT regulated to "cross" at any point. It's regulated to have the bbls shoot parallel to each other! A PROPERLY regulated DR will shoot two groups at any given range the same distance apart that the bbls are, at the muzzle.I have read that it has been done both ways depending on the use the rifle was to see. But I might be thinking shotgun .

That olde wives tail about crossing, has been repeated for eons, but that's NOT proper regulation and NOT how any major mfg. regulates a quality DR. I have no idea about them so can't say. I have been looking for a good drilling for a few years , more learning than anything as to what is aval. and cost. It is an interesting gun as are the DR's. It's getting about time to sell off guns I no longer use and get one.

BTW, i shot IHMSA too, and did pretty good, back in the day...I was shooting back in the 80's early 90's when Gates was in charge . Had alot of good times but went in business and had less time for fun . Now my intrest has changed . I shot in the South East , Va and NC mostly Maryland a few times.

DM

Drilling Man · « **Reply #15 on:** November 28, 2012, 03:54:41 AM »

Someplace around here i have a book autographed by Gates, i won it at the state championships in the production gun class.

I used my S&W M-29 with my own cast bullet hunting, hand load. (i still use that same bullet/load today) No spotter, no gloves or anything else.

I went to the line, just like i would be for hunting, lay prone and shot at the targets. I came in second and won the book.

For me, it was nothing more than, more practice for hunting, and that's why i got into the game in the first place.

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** November 28, 2012, 04:03:04 AM »

I went to a match to watch Boyd Carpenter the state dir. let me shoot his gun . I did well. so he got me to shoot the next 2 matches so I could shoot the reg. champsonship which I placed second in AAA. with a XP-100. After some time I just shot revolver , 10.5 inch Ruger SBH and won the NC state match over all. It was a lot of fun.

AkMike1 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 28, 2012, 08:22:01 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on November 28, 2012, 02:47:54 AM

No I was saying if aval. using the 307 chamber

But it's not and won't be because of the high pressures, DR's aren't meant to be hotrodded.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** November 28, 2012, 09:12:47 AM »

they come in 3006

how is a 308 a hot rod ?

Drilling Man · « **Reply #19 on:** November 28, 2012, 09:56:38 AM »

I don't think the Chapuis mini DR is available in 30-06, is it??

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** November 28, 2012, 10:02:12 AM »

Not sure it was the mini but they offer 3006 in a couple. If the 307 wasn't a go then 7X30 waters would be nice

AkMike1 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 28, 2012, 11:20:50 AM »

Chapuis does offer 30-06 in their rifles BUT not 307 or the Waters calibers. I'd betb that for tripple the cost thye'd consider it BUT that's not what the OP is asking for.
There's no need to hotrod a DR. If you want to do that get a bolt gun.

pastorp · « **Reply #22 on:** November 28, 2012, 09:34:41 PM »

AKMike,
I did retire & relocated back to my home state, Florida. So while fla does have a few black bears there are not many & no brownies. So hogs would be the largest game normaly hunted. Except the occasional elephant or tiger that escapes from a carnival. That actually did happen about 35 years ago before I moved away. From my house, on a clear night I could hear the lions roaring from the savage kingdom compound about 18 miles away. One morning a co- worker almost hit a elephant with his car driving to work. And of course the Burmese pythons & salt water crocks that have been released into the wild provide a whole new set of problems.
One thing Florida is not the same place I grew up in in the 50s & 60s. Still I believe a 30-30 will work.
And with my " old eyes " long range shooting is a thing of the past.

Regards,

45-70.gov · « **Reply #23 on:** November 29, 2012, 07:03:24 AM »

what do you think of this one? ..too much $?

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Chapuis-Double-Rifle.cfm?gun_id=100299606

AkMike1 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 29, 2012, 08:35:20 AM »

Well Byron I wish you the best down in Mickey Mouseland!

It's too hot there for me in the summertimes. Too sticky also.

45-70, Those are available for 4500 to 5K if you look around.

pastorp · « **Reply #25 on:** November 29, 2012, 12:42:26 PM »

I agree Mike. 45/70 I knew what they cost. But the one you found is a little overpriced. I was looking at one a short time ago that was just a little over $4,000.

but I know you thought you'd sticker shock me.

. Ha ha

Regards,

pastorp · « **Reply #26 on:** November 29, 2012, 11:53:30 PM »

AKMike,
Well you half to remember, where I lived in Alaska was the "banana belt" of Alaska. Last week there were 2 days the temp was lower here on the ranch than my old village in Alaska of course it was hotter in the heat of the afternoon here in Florida. But I have the pool to help with that.

Overall the weather is much nicer here in Florida. It remains to be seen if we snowbird between the too places or just spend all year here in the south. After all we still have family left in Alaska. And we will want to spend time with the Grandkids.

We were putting up a couple of new feeders yesterday afternoon and came upon a herd of pigs. None of us had a gun with us but we did have a dog so the chase was on. When the dust settled, we had managed to catch one small pig. Can you smell the BBQ? Ahhh brings back old memories of my youth.

Regards,

AkMike1 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 30, 2012, 09:14:18 PM »

That sounds as if you've found 'The Life Of Reilly" already. Congrats!

I have some family down there and quite often they'll comment that it's warmer even up her than it is in the Ocala area.
Get that rifle and smoke some bacon!

popplecop · « **Reply #28 on:** December 02, 2012, 03:59:50 AM »

Tha American crocidile is a native and is on the endangered list. I've always wanted a double rifle in 30-40 Krag or .303 Enfield. So far am useing a lowly Reminton 45-70 but at least I am shooting a double rifle while I keep looking for a British one.

pastorp · « **Reply #29 on:** December 02, 2012, 05:32:44 AM »

Popplecop, I didn't say American crocodile. I said saltwater crocodile which I believe is not native to the America's.

. Of course I could be wrong but I did grow up in Florida and never heard anything about them being here untill recently. And then the references were that they were released into the wild by people who no longer wanted them.
Actually what many folks call American crocidles, I believe are Camens from the amazon jungle river Basin. When I was a kid doc Webb sold Camens as baby alagators for 25 cents apiece. I'm sure many we're released as they grew.

Regards.