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Execution by homeowner?
« on: November 28, 2012, 03:43:55 AM »
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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Re: Exexcution by homeowner?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 03:45:09 AM »
Sad as it all is, what we have here is a case of two "gonna live forever" teens involved in a confrontation with a true psychopath. I was never into burglary or anything even at my most rambunctious, but my folks tried to instill in me the idea that everyone YOU pick to do wrong to is NOT going to be a law abiding citizen. When my stepson went through his teen years, I used to tell him the same thing. My point is, thousands of kids disappear every year. A big proportion are teenagers. You never know what kind of crap your teen is getting into when they're not at home. My bet is at least some of them disappear because of incidents like this.

Having said that, this incident raises some questions. My number one question is what the hell was this guy DOING in that basement? Did he have a pot growing set-up? Meth lab? What I am reading is that he had time to clean up that basement before he called the cops. Both guns he used were .22s. In a brick house, a .22 would be barely audible from outside, and near silent from the basement. A .22 is NOT the first choice for a self defense weapon. He was set up to defend something, and not get caught. There's more to this story, I guarantee you.
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Re: Exexcution by homeowner?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 04:04:59 AM »
For sure the man did the wrong thing, but I can't work up a whole lot of sympathy for the teens.
when you break into someones home, you take the consequences for your actions.
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Re: Exexcution by homeowner?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 04:15:38 AM »
I agree some folks display total disregard for common sense when dealing with teenagers. Yea what was he doing in that basement ? what did the teenagers know ? had he had dealings with them and it go wrong ? That 223 would have busted ear drums in that basement.
yea there is more to the story .
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Re: Exexcution by homeowner?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 04:15:45 AM »
Well, yeah--- I'm not defending the kids at all. I just think that the guy's reactions are a little extreme, wouldn't you say?  I personally think he was doing something illegal, himself.
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 04:19:12 AM »
I think we agreeded except for the loud 223 , BTW don't ask how I know ...
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 04:22:54 AM »
It would have been AWFULLY loud in that basement, but outside the house? Maybe not so much.
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 04:28:55 AM »
maybe not  ::)
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 04:57:27 AM »
teachable moment


don't break into houses


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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 05:46:57 AM »
Sounds to me like a couple of coyotes had a run in with a rabid pitbull.
 
 Clearly the shooter is messed up, if the news stories are to be believed. I can't figure out a scenario where waiting until the next day to report shooting two people, and killing is justifiable. 
 
Can't say as I would be too surprised to find they had been invited over for some nefarious reason. Things went to pot and they ended up dead. From there this story has been woven. It'll be interesting to see what developes.
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 10:13:25 AM »
Before statings silly comments at least find out a modicum of information.

The latest is they found items stolen from another house the day before, including drugs in the deceased's car; that said, what the shooter supposedly said to the police will probably bite him in the ass.
Stupid is as stupid does, and if remarks reported on the local radio are true, he is his own worst enemy.

Supposedly he told the police he did not call them till later so as to not ruin some ones Thanksgiving but, again supposedly he did call his brother out east and told him he needed him, now.

An uncle of the deceased boy called a local radio station and he did not paint a good picture of the boy; he said he had a disarming smile he could use, and did, to keep out of trouble when he got ornery.


The general attitude around St. Cloud is the kids got just rewards and he is an idiot.

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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 10:15:35 AM »
well we can learn if ever involved in a shooting call a lwayer and keep your mouth shut allowing him to do his job.
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 10:28:05 AM »
I've told people for years if you are involved in a shooting SHUT THE #$%^ UP! Don't tell the cops what happened, don't say anything to ANYONE! It doesn't matter how clean a shoot it was...DON"T TALK ABOUT IT! Call a Land Shark!!!!!!!!!! Until you've talked to your Shark keep your mouth shut!

Keep your trap shut and you will probably not have a problem, even if the shoot was questionable. What comes out of your mouth is what always gets you in trouble!
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 11:24:50 AM »
I've told people for years if you are involved in a shooting SHUT THE #$%^ UP! Don't tell the cops what happened, don't say anything to ANYONE! It doesn't matter how clean a shoot it was...DON"T TALK ABOUT IT! Call a Land Shark!!!!!!!!!! Until you've talked to your Shark keep your mouth shut!

Keep your trap shut and you will probably not have a problem, even if the shoot was questionable. What comes out of your mouth is what always gets you in trouble!

thats probably very good advice no matter how clean the shoot was.of course the media will turn it around on you and say "wonder why he lawyered up so quick if he was in the right?"

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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2012, 12:26:31 PM »
well we can learn if ever involved in a shooting call a lawyer and keep your mouth shut allowing him to do his job.

My wife was involved with the legal system ( as a court appointed expert witness )some time back........her advise......always retain an attorney to speak for you.  Never respond to the officers questions......even if you are completely innocent.  She used to be appalled at the manipulation the Police would attempt.

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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2012, 01:53:07 PM »
Read the update at the bottom of the page, they were suspected of an earlier break-in and theft of prescription drugs, but of course they were model students, etc.
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2012, 02:02:05 PM »
I don't care what they had stloen before, or how bad a students they were......no one deserves a kill shot once you have immobilized them.

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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2012, 02:43:04 PM »
As dumb as this man sounds "the shooter", I dont see how he has gone this long, 64 years without doing something like this before.
Clearly, three people met that never should have. From this point on, a circus. 

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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2012, 02:47:20 PM »
I still think the guy used that day to clean out the basement. Like I said, a lot of crooks, especially young ones, think they are the only ones breaking the law, so they are the "bad guys." There's always somebody "badder."
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2012, 03:18:47 PM »
I have 2 children whom are attorneys, one a prosecutor.  They say that if you dismember a person and run them through a wood chipper on the 50 yard line during the halftime at the super bowl , when the cops show up it is: I was not there, did not do anything, I will be happy to cooperate AFTER speaking to my attorney. No comment, no comment, no comment. Just the same as if you were on another continent at the time.
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2012, 03:29:35 PM »
teachable moment


don't break into houses


all   elses  is a waste of discussion time
What he said
 
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2012, 04:09:39 PM »
The shooter was in the basement because he was working down there.
The radio announcer said what he was doing but I have forgotten.
His house had been broken into before and when he heard the glass break he did nothing till they came down the stairs.

The two got their just rewards but the guy is getting his just rewards for being a moron.

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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2012, 11:48:45 PM »
I don't condone what the guy did he went above and beyond what needed done, but why the push to victimize the perpetrators? It seems to be the norm anymore. I forgot we want a society where personal responsibility is vacant. When bad things happen because of ones actions, its always the fault of something or someone else.   
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2012, 01:02:01 AM »
The shooter could have a medical condition ?
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2012, 03:10:37 AM »
Those two "youngsters" appear to be "break-in" artists/thieves and like previously reported the vehicle they were using on the day they broke into Smith's home contained some recent stolen items including "stolen prescription drugs" from a rural home break-in.  Smith had reported a burglary on Oct 27th of this year where a high priced camera and several lenses were stolen along with 2 guns, some cash, gold coins and jewelry.  The thinking is he thought the same thieves were returning to clean him out and they were armed at the time.
 
We'll see how this plays out but his mouth pretty much did him in relative to the charges unless he's got some mental condition or can find a good shrink to explain his behavior that day.  Don't feel a damn bit sorry for the thieves but I do feel for their parents and relatives, as losing someone young is always hard.
 
   
 

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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2012, 05:43:33 AM »
one old mans life is ruined


but  at least he gave his  life to rehabilitate these punk  kids


the schools and  news paper need to exploit this tragedy


and  show the bullet ridden bodies


so other children will see  what CAN AND WILL happen to a thug


those punks should never have put this man  in this situation


anyone of us could make some dumb decisions  while under attack/ in the heat of battle
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Re: Execution by homeowner?
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2012, 05:57:48 AM »
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The general attitude around St. Cloud is the kids got just rewards and he is an idiot.

 
That kinda works for me as well. ;)
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