Author Topic: If you can't get a gun use a crossbow (Read 1430 times)

Anna · « **Reply #30 on:** December 02, 2012, 02:18:19 PM »

Why CDQ , why in the world would a guy like you own such a deadly weapon ? 10 seconds huh ?
Some people can run the 50 yd dash faster than that.

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #31 on:** December 02, 2012, 03:25:49 PM »

Quote from: Anna on December 02, 2012, 02:18:19 PM

Why CDQ , why in the world would a guy like you own such a deadly weapon ? 10 seconds huh ?
Some people can run the 50 yd dash faster than that.

Why, in case I run out of bullets, of course!

Sourdough · « **Reply #32 on:** December 02, 2012, 08:15:44 PM »

I have a jackel crossbow, far more powerful than my 60# compound bow. Takes a lot longer to cock and reload. I have to use a cocking rope to pull the string back and lock it, So I have to put the end on the ground, foot in stirrup, stretch rope across the back of the bow in a groove, hook two small hooks on the string, pull the handles up till the bow string locks in place, remove the cocking rope, place bolt on shelf, release automatic safety, raise to shoulder, aim, and fire. This is not a rapid process. Now the bolt would hardly slow down going through a piece of 1/2" plywood. But a desk top would probably stop it.

The schools for the last 25 years have been teaching our kids to be pacifist, it's up to us as parents to see that our kids do not grow up with that attitude. This brings up a story, about when Sky was in day care, about the age of two or three. But I'll save it for another time. Rog

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #33 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:10:51 AM »

On the other hand, if you had a kid in that classroom that you had taught to charge the one armed with a crossbow, he could have been hit instead of the kid's father. Sure, he'd have been a hero, but how would you feel? $:-\$

ironglow · « **Reply #34 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:49:09 AM »

A couple corrections here..comparisons between the Golorado school and Ft Hood are not even valid. One of the best places to commit mass murder would be a stateside military post...since "gun control" is strong there.
One thing almost too hard for me to comprehend since I was stationed at Ft Hood many years ago... why was it necessary for some kind of civilian police to take charge of the situation. When I was there, there was a very capable M.P. detatchment (720th MPs) at Ft hood..
The islamofacist killer at Ft Hood had pre-loaded handguns with plenty of rounds... The killer in Colorado apparently had to reload...allowing a bit of time.. However, as I read the article..I didn't see a crossbow mentioned..just a "sharp weapon", whatever that might be..

Why doesn't the media explain just what the "sharp weapon" was... is it because it may upset their anti-gun agenda?

Ranch13 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 03, 2012, 07:22:04 AM »

For those that might be interested http://k2radio.com/eyewitness-recounts-events-inside-jim-krumms-classroom-exclusive-interview/

BBF · « **Reply #36 on:** December 03, 2012, 07:41:26 AM »

I'm still not cear if this was a vertical compound or a X bow compound. $:-\$
Since the student mentioned "medieval weapon" makes me think it was a X bow.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 03, 2012, 07:47:15 AM »

No she said it was a compound bow. She said before this she like midevil weaponry, so at first she thought it was kinda cool...

streak · « **Reply #38 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:25:23 AM »

Wow!
Seems to me that whether it is a cross bow or compound really lends one to think why did not some of the students rush the guy before he was able to take a shot!
!. Trying to shoot a compound takes a a second or two to get the bow drawn and sight before shooting.
2. Cross bow could be faster if it is cocked and ready, but still has to be shouldered and aimed!
With a bunch of people rushing the assailant he is under pressure and probably cannot shoot very accurately.
Of course this is all based upon a few in the crowd knowing what it takes to shoot these different types of bows!! And in this day and time with a lot of these kids being raised to be " Bunny Huggers" I guess that is asking alot!!

williamlayton · « **Reply #39 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:43:42 AM »

I believe it was a compund bow carried under a blanket.
I understand what Anna said---What I said was it was a dirty, rotten shame that no one tried to help the man.
The pictures I saw were men of 20/21---that also is not a point---the point is someone could have helped and I can't see defending the idea that they did not.
The woman that foud the GF did not even call the police--she herded her kids inside, pulled the blinds, had snacks and minded her own business.
Blessings

ironglow · « **Reply #40 on:** December 04, 2012, 03:55:22 AM »

Quote from: Ranch13 on December 03, 2012, 07:22:04 AM

For those that might be interested http://k2radio.com/eyewitness-recounts-events-inside-jim-krumms-classroom-exclusive-interview/

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Thanks Ranch;

I don't think the rest of the country got anythging more than "a sharp edged weapon".. Still makes me wonder why they didn't just go ahead and say what the weapon was. Best I can figure is that the anti crowd would like to pretend that "only guns kill"..and don't want to pop the bubble many antis live in..
I still agree with William; there must have been time..somebody should have done something. Young men in the war zone are making such decisions every day, so there is really no excuse.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 04, 2012, 04:17:03 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on December 04, 2012, 03:55:22 AM

Quote from: Ranch13 on December 03, 2012, 07:22:04 AM
For those that might be interested http://k2radio.com/eyewitness-recounts-events-inside-jim-krumms-classroom-exclusive-interview/
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Thanks Ranch;

I don't think the rest of the country got anythging more than "a sharp edged weapon".. Still makes me wonder why they didn't just go ahead and say what the weapon was. Best I can figure is that the anti crowd would like to pretend that "only guns kill"..and don't want to pop the bubble many antis live in..
I still agree with William; there must have been time..somebody should have done something. Young men in the war zone are making such decisions every day, so there is really no excuse.

No "anit" crap involved here, just the Casper PD not rushing to put out bogus information.
If you read the few reports that are out, there was evidently some effort to help, as at some point somebody whacked the assailant in the head with a coffee cup. But take into consideration the nut shot his dad at a range of about 4 ft, in a small class room , then immediately jumped him with 2 knives. Stabbing his father and hisself almost simultaneously, and both were still alive when the cops and EMS got there, but died within moments of their arrival and were pronounced dead at the scene.
Yes young men in war zones deal with this sort of thing everyday, But young girls taking a computer science in a small community college a half a world away from a war zone class don't.
I am just at a loss at what you people think these kids were supposed to have on them that would of offered any serious defense from this nutcake? Let alone go on the offense. And in the short amount of time this entire incident , from the killing of the first victim to the end was probably less than 10 minutes, and the episode in the classroom probably took less than a minute, just what the hell do you arm chair rambo's think those kids could of should of done?.
So let me hear your explanation again as to why those combat hardened troops at Ft. Hood let 13 people get shot by a dingbat in the middle of them before a lady copy came and shot him??

ironglow · « **Reply #42 on:** December 04, 2012, 12:06:58 PM »

From Ranch;
" Yes young men in war zones deal with this sort of thing everyday, But young girls taking a computer science in a small community college a half a world away from a war zone class don't."
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Since there were just young girls in the class... that makes it more understandable.

Neither knives nor the coffee cup were mentioned before..new info to consider..
It is likely the immediate area got much more detailed reports. That would seem natural, being as it happened in the home town of many of them.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 04, 2012, 01:47:25 PM »

It was a grizzly scene. Some of the faculty and maintenance staff tried to get thru the door, and did , but they were to late. Frankly I don't think anything or anybody could of helped the victim . Being shot thru the head like that at such close range,without any warning, he was probably dead on his feet, but still had enough to try and get away from the kid when he jumped him with the two knives.
If you listened to the one girls interview, she said she didn't think the victim was trying to protect the students, just get away from his attacker.
That kid killed his dad because he thought his dad had given him Asbergers desease...crazy SOB.

ironglow · « **Reply #44 on:** December 05, 2012, 04:44:09 AM »

Our reasoning and thought can hardly deal with outright insanity...

Ranch13 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 05, 2012, 06:04:49 AM »

That's very true.
I do wonder about those kids in that classroom to have sat there and had their morning so brutally, bloody violantly , interupted, what sort of images did that leave in their minds?
One can only imagine the sound of the whole thing, and nobody ever really forgets the sound of a sucking chest wound.

Sourdough · « **Reply #46 on:** December 06, 2012, 06:45:17 AM »

On an Army Post such as Ft Hood, no one is allowed to have a weapon on post, except MPs and the contract security (Civilian) employees. When the bullets started to fly, their only option was to duck and cover. The woman that came along was the only one armed in the vacinity.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 06, 2012, 07:00:31 AM »

18 year old college kids aren't allowed to carry weapons when attending class either, nor are they trained in self defense or had 13 months of practical application of those skills..

FPH · « **Reply #48 on:** December 06, 2012, 12:42:18 PM »

Wy bans CC on campus, along with 21 other States.

williamlayton · « **Reply #49 on:** December 06, 2012, 07:37:21 PM »

First---it was not a class of all girls.
Second---I am very aware of fear and flight.
I am also aware that men and women do not get involved much anymore.
The thing in Texas cannot be explained---I was as dissapointed as all were that this muslim was allowed to do what he did when confronted with overwhelming odds.
Folks need to rethink and to think about these things beforehand. Always expect the unexpected--have a plan. I don't think it is wise to just walk willynilly thru life and expect all things to be good---at least that was not the way I was raised.
I am not sure why Ranch is defending a situation that he had no control over--it is almost like he is apologizing for this.
If something can be done, it should be done and it is still a shame that no one helped out--it can be explained but it does not change the facts.
One LAST comment: Life is full of experiences that we never want--probably never can forget. There is no way to stop this from happening. Sad as it is, these folks are going to need to understand that it happened. A part of this process will be to understand and accept it all--including the running, which will be an impulse that they have to deal with.
Life is tough--folks need to gird up and take off the rose colored glasses.
Blessings

Ranch13 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 07, 2012, 08:03:11 AM »

No Layton I am not appologizing for anything.
I am amazed as to the amount of hypocracy you and others have expressed here. You standup folks sought to jump on a bunch of kids before you knew anything about the real facts, you still choose to ignore the basic facts of this deal. Arm chair rambos..
Folks like you never cease to amaze me.